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Printablemetalorange said: anon said: quote]I agree. I think she could have worked with Prince, though. It was the pairing of Tamar and the twins that didn't work. That changed the whole vibe.
I'm trying to think back... weren't the twins always part of the Tamar team? The first tv appearance was SNL and they were there, so how could they have 'changed the vibe'? It may have been better if she simply tour with him...no word of a solo career. Let people ask for her...they would have.
What, like people were clamouring for Cat? Or Rosie Gaines? I really don't know what has happened with the whole Tamar thing. Clearly he was hugely behind the project at one point, Tamar going everywhere with him. Perhaps there was some falling out between Prince and Tamar, who knows? But speaking of the twins, I think Prince spotted they were a strong image, probably stronger than Tamar, and seems to have increasingly used them for his own performances. The new Diamond and Pearl  Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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Lilith said: katt said: He’s a man, men always change their minds and don’t tell others.
Woman change there minds 2 but got 2 tell everyone about it.   **** I agree with u about men.... Prince changes his mind every second but he's able 2 make ya surprises when the the less u r expecting it... so U can not 4give him....  I love surprises; I personally think its boring knowing what is coming next, Prince has always done this and I believe that’s why most of us stay fans. And if people where truthfully honest they thoroughly enjoy the suspense 2.  | |
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metalorange said: anon said: quote]I agree. I think she could have worked with Prince, though. It was the pairing of Tamar and the twins that didn't work. That changed the whole vibe.
I'm trying to think back... weren't the twins always part of the Tamar team? The first tv appearance was SNL and they were there, so how could they have 'changed the vibe'?... What I meant was it changed what would have been a cool Prince Tamar vibe. Or whatever vibe Tamar would have had solo. I can imagine, and it's far better than Tamar and the Twins...they made her so bubblegum and she was everything but that. The Twins can work with Prince and so can Tamar, but I never liked them all together. Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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 I never believe 'tour' info til I have the tickets in my hand and I never believe 'new product' info til I have the music in my hand or on my hard drive.
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metalorange said: What, like people were clamouring for Cat? Or Rosie Gaines?
Don't know any of their songs but when I say, "let them ask", I mean let them want it. Let them, at least, know and like her before you push her as a solo act. Like Spaceboy says, that only makes it harder for her.I really don't know what has happened with the whole Tamar thing. Clearly he was hugely behind the project at one point, Tamar going everywhere with him. Perhaps there was some falling out between Prince and Tamar, who knows? But speaking of the twins, I think Prince spotted they were a strong image, probably stronger than Tamar, and seems to have increasingly used them for his own performances. Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: I never believe 'tour' info til I have the tickets in my hand and I never believe 'new product' info til I have the music in my hand or on my hard drive.
After nearly 28 years of being a Prince fan, I found it's just safer for my sanity that way! ..... ***** lol I do the same... what can we do? Prince is done this way so... | |
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metalorange said: RitaQoS said: I think P knew that the NPGMC was going to go down when he posted “Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful” and it was just a nice way of making it go out on a high.
I'm certain that both that demo and those bizarre questions, one of which was asking for our favourite out-take, may be very interesting when speculating about what P's next online project is. I don't know, I think if he knew he was shutting down the npgmc why waste time and money getting the web technicians to create a new beta version of the download store mere weeks before the end? Or why put out a demo snippet when he could have put out the full song as a final fairwell to the npgmc? A demo seems to me a bit of a half-assed way to go out on a 'high'. No, I think he was continuing with the site as normal and then something happened very suddenly. Whether that was some legal issue, a falling out with the web developers, or a revelation one night that he needed to cancel the npgmc similar to the Black Album situation, who knows? I really thought and still believe he will eventually come up with something to replace the npgmc, but quite what he is waiting for I don't know. Prince disappears for a few months and the fans become convinced there's some massive masterplan project in the pipeline, but for all we know Prince might not have a clue what his next move is going to be. Thing is, the beta version of the Musicology store was there for weeks on end. It worked a treat for weeks on end too and nothing was done to replace the store that was already there. I think that tells us that Prince's realisation that the NPGMC wasn't worth bothering with anymore happened between his decision to revamp the Musicology store and the date of the NPGMC's final (overdue, in my opinion) demise. And I still stick with what I said - he just gave up on the NPGMC and stuck the demo song on there as a way of just trying to give it some kind of closure before ending the NPGMC. And Prince always knows what his next move is going to be and we've always had clues as to what it is - whether he's given them away intentionally or not. And asking the fans for their input on a demo means far more than just putting a song out for download - almost shows that he actually does care about the fans input rather than just giving them a song and assuming they'll be happy with just that. _____ [Edited 9/12/06 16:21pm] | |
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Graycap thank you for the stimulus to write this..
the mind of a musician works differently to the mind of someone who isnt ( even though i believe we r all musicians to a degree, but not necessarily being musical in our every day lives ) . the musical mind works alot like a song. there's alot going on in a song, no matter how simple it appears to be. think of all the changes in a song, be they chord changes, lyrical twists and turns, tempo changes, style changes, beat changes, instrument changes, key changes, verses choruses bridges... a real musician lives their life in the same way a song lives, flowing, changing, surprising, in darkness and in light, and at the end of it there's a sense of balance, cuz every possible available 'expression' has been explored. there's a sense of resolve at the end. when ur listening to a good song, it takes u places u didnt see coming, and ur happy about it, cuz a good song appeals to your sense of adventure. granted, not all places a song may take you are where u thought u'd like to be, but u go there anyway. real music appreciators surrender their expectations, and go with the flow, for better or for worse. our whole universe, and every cell in our bodies, is guided, ultimately, by sound. the universe itself is musical by nature. take a look at a day, the weather, conversations, plans changing, emotions, laughter, sadness... and take a look at Nature, all the flowers that come in just about every colour and style u can think of and mostly what u never thought possible. take a look at the animal kingdom in its entirety, the stars, the planets, our galaxy and beyond... there's a heck of alot of change going from one moment ot the next, or so it would seem. a real musician rides the cosmic current that is constantly changing. every single moment is new. and what we're doing is adding to the 'mix' in each moment, our action, our words, our thoughts, that COMPLIMENT the over-all picture, to maintain its balance. think of a jigsaw puzzle. u add the piece that fits. sometimes u gotta add darkness to balance out all the light. sometimes u add light, to give darkness a run for its money. a real musician isnt biased from that perspective. we r flowing within the most original cosmic current, as it breathes in and out, from within, always changing, again...so it would seem. fact is, the changes r illusions, outer expressions, not internal truth. there is always a perfect equilibrium beynd what the eye can see and the mind can comprehend and the heart can feel, allowing us to play with it, allowing us to venture into the 'world' of externalisation, and play our part in keeping it balanced. being that these external motions are illusionary, it doesnt invalidate them. we learn to return to a consistant disciplined state of perfect sameness. prince doesnt live in a consistant disciplined state of perfect sameness, True Light. he is a working musician making decisions that FIT each new moment to keep things working that feel right to him as a musician, in context with all said above. sometimes ego gets in the way, and drives the decisions, sometimes it doesnt. but ultimately the place he need be bringing everyone to through his work and decisions, is a place of balance, a place that benefits as many as possible, not just himself, and i think that might be where 'fans' r not always convinced that his intentions r pure, or why lies are suspected, because when you know an artist through their work, and their actions dont match that work, suspicion creeps in. this is why it is important for a musicians to be honest about who they really are with their audience, because any inconsistency is deeply felt by the attuned 'fan' and rightly called out. 'fans' have a subconscious and conscious sense of what feels right and what doesnt, even if they arent musicians. integrity comes into question when the contradictions are too sweeping and broad. our inner 'pendulum' so-to-speak - wants to be still, balanced, feel good inside. loving adventure is one thing, as long it leads back home. the mark of a good musician, is in bringing themselves and their audience Home, after whatever kind of journey, be that in a song, or via the daily decisions a musician has to make, with as LITTLE TURBULENCE AS POSSIBLE. sudden contrasting moves can 'set the landscape on fire' and then u've got an audience that doesnt know what the F is happening. noize - not music - is created, when rash sudden decisions r made. so be it. a cymbal crash at just the right moment can do that too.... thats music. so whether ur a musician or a fan or both, u need to be ADAPTABLE, whilst at the same time never comprimising what truly feels right for you. its mainly about TIMING. if prince's TIMING is off, everyone will feel it and buck and rear. a good musician is as good at timing in their daily lives, as they are in their music. there's no place like Home. x " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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Someone explain to me why he fucked warners over? Now thats some serious mind changing? Was prince just stitching a record company up? Either way it was at times funny, but also, a stupid and what still seems, a pointless thing to do.
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This is nothing new to anyone who has followed Prince from the beginning. Classic ADD. The problem with Prince is he has TOO much control meaning he doesn't haven anyone in his space to give it to him like it is because if they do, he cuts them off, and often he alienates people to make sure they don't get close enough to help him focus, to give him good advice on projects and help him throw out the projects that won't be feasible to accomplish before they get started.
Prince needs someone he can respect an awful lot who will tell it like it is, plain and simple. Us people with ADD value them very much and if we don't have them, we're all over the place starting shit and not finishing it. LQ | |
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sacredwarrior said: Graycap thank you for the stimulus to write this..
the mind of a musician works differently to the mind of someone who isnt ( even though i believe we r all musicians to a degree, but not necessarily being musical in our every day lives ) . the musical mind works alot like a song. there's alot going on in a song, no matter how simple it appears to be. think of all the changes in a song, be they chord changes, lyrical twists and turns, tempo changes, style changes, beat changes, instrument changes, key changes, verses choruses bridges... a real musician lives their life in the same way a song lives, flowing, changing, surprising, in darkness and in light, and at the end of it there's a sense of balance, cuz every possible available 'expression' has been explored. there's a sense of resolve at the end. when ur listening to a good song, it takes u places u didnt see coming, and ur happy about it, cuz a good song appeals to your sense of adventure. granted, not all places a song may take you are where u thought u'd like to be, but u go there anyway. real music appreciators surrender their expectations, and go with the flow, for better or for worse. our whole universe, and every cell in our bodies, is guided, ultimately, by sound. the universe itself is musical by nature. take a look at a day, the weather, conversations, plans changing, emotions, laughter, sadness... and take a look at Nature, all the flowers that come in just about every colour and style u can think of and mostly what u never thought possible. take a look at the animal kingdom in its entirety, the stars, the planets, our galaxy and beyond... there's a heck of alot of change going from one moment ot the next, or so it would seem. a real musician rides the cosmic current that is constantly changing. every single moment is new. and what we're doing is adding to the 'mix' in each moment, our action, our words, our thoughts, that COMPLIMENT the over-all picture, to maintain its balance. think of a jigsaw puzzle. u add the piece that fits. sometimes u gotta add darkness to balance out all the light. sometimes u add light, to give darkness a run for its money. a real musician isnt biased from that perspective. we r flowing within the most original cosmic current, as it breathes in and out, from within, always changing, again...so it would seem. fact is, the changes r illusions, outer expressions, not internal truth. there is always a perfect equilibrium beynd what the eye can see and the mind can comprehend and the heart can feel, allowing us to play with it, allowing us to venture into the 'world' of externalisation, and play our part in keeping it balanced. being that these external motions are illusionary, it doesnt invalidate them. we learn to return to a consistant disciplined state of perfect sameness. prince doesnt live in a consistant disciplined state of perfect sameness, True Light. he is a working musician making decisions that FIT each new moment to keep things working that feel right to him as a musician, in context with all said above. sometimes ego gets in the way, and drives the decisions, sometimes it doesnt. but ultimately the place he need be bringing everyone to through his work and decisions, is a place of balance, a place that benefits as many as possible, not just himself, and i think that might be where 'fans' r not always convinced that his intentions r pure, or why lies are suspected, because when you know an artist through their work, and their actions dont match that work, suspicion creeps in. this is why it is important for a musicians to be honest about who they really are with their audience, because any inconsistency is deeply felt by the attuned 'fan' and rightly called out. 'fans' have a subconscious and conscious sense of what feels right and what doesnt, even if they arent musicians. integrity comes into question when the contradictions are too sweeping and broad. our inner 'pendulum' so-to-speak - wants to be still, balanced, feel good inside. loving adventure is one thing, as long it leads back home. the mark of a good musician, is in bringing themselves and their audience Home, after whatever kind of journey, be that in a song, or via the daily decisions a musician has to make, with as LITTLE TURBULENCE AS POSSIBLE. sudden contrasting moves can 'set the landscape on fire' and then u've got an audience that doesnt know what the F is happening. noize - not music - is created, when rash sudden decisions r made. so be it. a cymbal crash at just the right moment can do that too.... thats music. so whether ur a musician or a fan or both, u need to be ADAPTABLE, whilst at the same time never comprimising what truly feels right for you. its mainly about TIMING. if prince's TIMING is off, everyone will feel it and buck and rear. a good musician is as good at timing in their daily lives, as they are in their music. there's no place like Home. x Stand Up! Everybody, this is your life!
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thepope2the9s said: sacredwarrior said: Graycap thank you for the stimulus to write this..
the mind of a musician works differently to the mind of someone who isnt ( even though i believe we r all musicians to a degree, but not necessarily being musical in our every day lives ) . the musical mind works alot like a song. there's alot going on in a song, no matter how simple it appears to be. think of all the changes in a song, be they chord changes, lyrical twists and turns, tempo changes, style changes, beat changes, instrument changes, key changes, verses choruses bridges... a real musician lives their life in the same way a song lives, flowing, changing, surprising, in darkness and in light, and at the end of it there's a sense of balance, cuz every possible available 'expression' has been explored. there's a sense of resolve at the end. when ur listening to a good song, it takes u places u didnt see coming, and ur happy about it, cuz a good song appeals to your sense of adventure. granted, not all places a song may take you are where u thought u'd like to be, but u go there anyway. real music appreciators surrender their expectations, and go with the flow, for better or for worse. our whole universe, and every cell in our bodies, is guided, ultimately, by sound. the universe itself is musical by nature. take a look at a day, the weather, conversations, plans changing, emotions, laughter, sadness... and take a look at Nature, all the flowers that come in just about every colour and style u can think of and mostly what u never thought possible. take a look at the animal kingdom in its entirety, the stars, the planets, our galaxy and beyond... there's a heck of alot of change going from one moment ot the next, or so it would seem. a real musician rides the cosmic current that is constantly changing. every single moment is new. and what we're doing is adding to the 'mix' in each moment, our action, our words, our thoughts, that COMPLIMENT the over-all picture, to maintain its balance. think of a jigsaw puzzle. u add the piece that fits. sometimes u gotta add darkness to balance out all the light. sometimes u add light, to give darkness a run for its money. a real musician isnt biased from that perspective. we r flowing within the most original cosmic current, as it breathes in and out, from within, always changing, again...so it would seem. fact is, the changes r illusions, outer expressions, not internal truth. there is always a perfect equilibrium beynd what the eye can see and the mind can comprehend and the heart can feel, allowing us to play with it, allowing us to venture into the 'world' of externalisation, and play our part in keeping it balanced. being that these external motions are illusionary, it doesnt invalidate them. we learn to return to a consistant disciplined state of perfect sameness. prince doesnt live in a consistant disciplined state of perfect sameness, True Light. he is a working musician making decisions that FIT each new moment to keep things working that feel right to him as a musician, in context with all said above. sometimes ego gets in the way, and drives the decisions, sometimes it doesnt. but ultimately the place he need be bringing everyone to through his work and decisions, is a place of balance, a place that benefits as many as possible, not just himself, and i think that might be where 'fans' r not always convinced that his intentions r pure, or why lies are suspected, because when you know an artist through their work, and their actions dont match that work, suspicion creeps in. this is why it is important for a musicians to be honest about who they really are with their audience, because any inconsistency is deeply felt by the attuned 'fan' and rightly called out. 'fans' have a subconscious and conscious sense of what feels right and what doesnt, even if they arent musicians. integrity comes into question when the contradictions are too sweeping and broad. our inner 'pendulum' so-to-speak - wants to be still, balanced, feel good inside. loving adventure is one thing, as long it leads back home. the mark of a good musician, is in bringing themselves and their audience Home, after whatever kind of journey, be that in a song, or via the daily decisions a musician has to make, with as LITTLE TURBULENCE AS POSSIBLE. sudden contrasting moves can 'set the landscape on fire' and then u've got an audience that doesnt know what the F is happening. noize - not music - is created, when rash sudden decisions r made. so be it. a cymbal crash at just the right moment can do that too.... thats music. so whether ur a musician or a fan or both, u need to be ADAPTABLE, whilst at the same time never comprimising what truly feels right for you. its mainly about TIMING. if prince's TIMING is off, everyone will feel it and buck and rear. a good musician is as good at timing in their daily lives, as they are in their music. there's no place like Home. x love ur sig pope2the9's, but taking the bait aint my style in this moment. much love to ya.  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To answer the question, it doesn't matter whether his actions are "planned" or "just happen". Either way, the results indicate to me an irresponsibily to ANYONE. "Planned" suggests conniving and "just happened" suggests obliviousnous.
Tamar is a young woman who had faith in her mentor. Prince is a superstar who answers to no one. As far as I'm concerned, he's an inconsiderate man who sometimes doesn't give a shit in his business life, or personal life about anyone other than himself.....I don't want to hear about the charities he's started for future ex-wives or donated to , he's smart enough to know he needs to do something to look respectable. | |
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dropping tamar doesn't surprise me in the least. but i dont think it had anything to do with the "vibe" of the album. Alot more people were digging her than past proteges. And dare we try to count how many shelved projects the man has? They just weren't as in your face in the past because we didn't have the internet to keep up with it all. I believe the split was personal issues, not related to music. Tamar was trying to get her foot in the door, she had a way to get the album out there, but it didn't pan out. Do you really think a musician just starting out would walk away with no prospect waiting in the wings? I dont. BTW...didn't I see a post about Prince being out with one of the twins last weekend? Maybe that's the clue to alot of what has been going on.....
But yea, back to the main question...no surprise that the projects to be got shelved.....its his history, and when you want to know what to expect from someone, where do you look? To their history..... | |
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RitaQoS said: Thing is, the beta version of the Musicology store was there for weeks on end. It worked a treat for weeks on end too and nothing was done to replace the store that was already there. I think that tells us that Prince's realisation that the NPGMC wasn't worth bothering with anymore happened between his decision to revamp the Musicology store and the date of the NPGMC's final (overdue, in my opinion) demise. And I still stick with what I said - he just gave up on the NPGMC and stuck the demo song on there as a way of just trying to give it some kind of closure before ending the NPGMC. And Prince always knows what his next move is going to be and we've always had clues as to what it is - whether he's given them away intentionally or not. And asking the fans for their input on a demo means far more than just putting a song out for download - almost shows that he actually does care about the fans input rather than just giving them a song and assuming they'll be happy with just that. I still say, if the demo was Prince's way of saying goodbye online, why only release a demo instead of the full song, and why ONLY put it out on the beta version (I think I'm right in saying) instead of the main one? My answer would be that he needed something to drive members to the beta version to get members used to the new look that was soon going to be implemented and maybe to get some feedback about whether it was useable or not. I can't see another reason why he would want to draw attention to the new store in particular mere days before he was going to shut it down. Asking for feedback about the song was also another way to get fans aware of the new beta store, of course fans are going to show interest if they think they can influence Prince's decision on a song! (Just like the Silver Tongue and Glasscutter which were originally released labelled 'demo' I don't think he actually had any intention of listening to fans and changing the song!). So my conclusion is that the decision to close the npgmc occurred suddenly between the demo being posted and the end of the club - mere days. Of course everybody at the time thought it was because of the legal issue about the use of the name npgmc but people seem to have gone off that idea. Perhaps that WAS the initial reason he shut the site down so suddenly but then decided to keep it shut so the launch of his next project, whatever it might be, would be more dramatic and catch the attention of fans more. It is interesting to note that the retail store is still functioning (for non-members): http://www.npgmusicclub.com/retail/ | |
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Graycap23 said: There have been several Prince RUMORS posted in the past couple of weeks. There have also been some Prince PLANS posted in the past 3 or 4 months and a great deal of BOTH have NOT come 2 pass. As it relates 2 the facts mixed in with both the rumors and facts there is one thing about Prince that we know 4 sure. He changes his mind a great deal. U guys keep labeling things as LIES when in a lot of cases they are NOT.
Case in point: Prince posts a snippet of a new song called “Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful” one week and the week DIRECTLY following the website closes down. Do U think that was planned? Or do u think it just happened? Case in point #2: Prince has been performing here and in London with Tamar in tow. He was grooming her 4 the debut cd 2 be released. She not only performed with Prince but she also had a few shows where Prince was her “band” member. What happens when it’s time 4 her cd 2 drop? NOTHING……….it has been put off indefinitely. Do U think that was planned? Or do u think it just happened? The point that I am trying 2 make is simple. Prince is a very complicated individual and is involved in a lot of activities all at once. What is planned and intended 2day becomes an after thought tomorrow. Do U think that is planned? Or do u think it just happens? If I were you, I'd step off the bullshit. not working here. [Edited 9/12/06 23:59pm] | |
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LadyQ said: This is nothing new to anyone who has followed Prince from the beginning. Classic ADD. The problem with Prince is he has TOO much control meaning he doesn't haven anyone in his space to give it to him like it is because if they do, he cuts them off, and often he alienates people to make sure they don't get close enough to help him focus, to give him good advice on projects and help him throw out the projects that won't be feasible to accomplish before they get started.
Prince needs someone he can respect an awful lot who will tell it like it is, plain and simple. Us people with ADD value them very much and if we don't have them, we're all over the place starting shit and not finishing it. LQ It could work that way , but (imho) it might be a tough cookie for him to find such a close source . Who have been his nearest consiglieres so far ? Wendy ? , Andre ? ... i'm not that deep informed in his behind-the-scenes from the past , but to what capacity was Mayte's musical influence if there was any ? And if he does it still can be subjective when it comes to decisions what to choose for a release , that person's meat might be someone else's poison
It really has to be someone who has a very good ear and view of what could work for solid album . Again , i feel it's subjective to some degree . Ouincy Jones with the combination of a technically skilled engineer like Bruce Swedien were a good team with MJ . I personally see Prince as a Picasso of music ... constantly changing as i wave along on his flow of what he releases . And i see his side-influences as fases in his career while he continues to grow by exploring new directions ... adding new colors and brushes . I hope the realisation lives here about the priviledge occasion of having quite a constant flow by receiving new work from an artist . The year hasn't even ended and yet there is already the need for a new album .  " DADDY POP ! , MY NEW TOY BORES ME ALREADY ! "
" Well son , try to learn to appreciate it " " I CAN'T ! I'M A SPOILED SPONGE AND WANT A NEW TOY EVERY DAY ! " ... NOW! "
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FINE!  HE CHANGES HIS MIND ALOT CUZ HE A WOMAN!!! AND A LIAR " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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ThreadBare said: I'm not harping on you, when I say this:
But a lot of the folks here who consider themselves rabid, staunch, diehard fans take very seriously any semblance of news... especially news about an upcoming product. This thread seems to be an attempt to guard your credibility. Lies or not, some things you've said in the past have fallen under criticism. Previous Orgers' cred was treated the same way after similar developments, treated here like something akin to false prophecy. With all that in mind, I have but a question: Knowing how fickle or whimsical Prince can be, why would anyone sincerely post about an alleged forthcoming project? Is it worth it, in the end? Even if Prince himself asks you to relay it? Agreed.Considering how often Prince changes his mind,it's really no point in posting rumors and details about projects that are supposedly being worked on. | |
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sacredwarrior said: FINE!
HE CHANGES HIS MIND ALOT CUZ HE A WOMAN!!! AND A LIAR Well , U know that Camille always tried to imagine what silence looked like  | |
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100MPH said: sacredwarrior said: FINE!
HE CHANGES HIS MIND ALOT CUZ HE A WOMAN!!! AND A LIAR Well , U know that Camille always tried to imagine what silence looked like DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!! " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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sacredwarrior said: 100MPH said: Well , U know that Camille always tried to imagine what silence looked like DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!!  ... " Come again ? " | |
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I'm just waiting for the day he changes his mind about JW and cursing. And be among her cloudy trophies hung. | |
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100MPH said: sacredwarrior said: DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!! ... " Come again ? "OK! .... TUNE IN! " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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sacredwarrior said: 100MPH said: ... " Come again ? "OK! .... TUNE IN! Ok , Alexander ? .... ... never mind ... | |
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ThreadBare said: Graycap23 said: Oh and 2 answer your q: My relationship with certain people has NOT changed based on what you call the "end". I fully understand that u travel through life on your reputation, and here it appears that mine has been damaged by no follow through on my post. I get that, but I will NOT fad 2 black because of it. What u describe as the "end" , I describe as the beginning.  Easy there, amigo.
"In the end," was employed as a figure of speach, much like, "on the other hand." I intended no existential subtext, I assure you. I hope you don't feel ganged up on. I didn't mean that, either. In the end, it's just music from a great artist. Not even as deep as "The Path to 9/11" or the midterm elections.Ganged up on? NOT at all. I understand the frustration. I'm not 2 pleased about the outcome either. | |
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Graycap23 said: There have been several Prince RUMORS posted in the past couple of weeks. There have also been some Prince PLANS posted in the past 3 or 4 months and a great deal of BOTH have NOT come 2 pass. As it relates 2 the facts mixed in with both the rumors and facts there is one thing about Prince that we know 4 sure. He changes his mind a great deal. U guys keep labeling things as LIES when in a lot of cases they are NOT.
Case in point: Prince posts a snippet of a new song called “Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful” one week and the week DIRECTLY following the website closes down. Do U think that was planned? Or do u think it just happened? Case in point #2: Prince has been performing here and in London with Tamar in tow. He was grooming her 4 the debut cd 2 be released. She not only performed with Prince but she also had a few shows where Prince was her “band” member. What happens when it’s time 4 her cd 2 drop? NOTHING……….it has been put off indefinitely. Do U think that was planned? Or do u think it just happened? The point that I am trying 2 make is simple. Prince is a very complicated individual and is involved in a lot of activities all at once. What is planned and intended 2day becomes an after thought tomorrow. Do U think that is planned? Or do u think it just happens? when Prince will contact u ...u have 2 put one question> is your projet planned 4 sure or not! | |
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slimongi said: Graycap23 said: There have been several Prince RUMORS posted in the past couple of weeks. There have also been some Prince PLANS posted in the past 3 or 4 months and a great deal of BOTH have NOT come 2 pass. As it relates 2 the facts mixed in with both the rumors and facts there is one thing about Prince that we know 4 sure. He changes his mind a great deal. U guys keep labeling things as LIES when in a lot of cases they are NOT.
Case in point: Prince posts a snippet of a new song called “Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful” one week and the week DIRECTLY following the website closes down. Do U think that was planned? Or do u think it just happened? Case in point #2: Prince has been performing here and in London with Tamar in tow. He was grooming her 4 the debut cd 2 be released. She not only performed with Prince but she also had a few shows where Prince was her “band” member. What happens when it’s time 4 her cd 2 drop? NOTHING……….it has been put off indefinitely. Do U think that was planned? Or do u think it just happened? The point that I am trying 2 make is simple. Prince is a very complicated individual and is involved in a lot of activities all at once. What is planned and intended 2day becomes an after thought tomorrow. Do U think that is planned? Or do u think it just happens? when Prince will contact u ...u have 2 put one question> is your project planned 4 sure or ....not! | |
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Graycap my brother, I have to disagree with you again. I don't believe you have any inside information and I don't believe you've ever talked to Prince. Yout first post in this thread bears that out.
Prince is, IMO, a pretty smart guy. He didn't make $$$millions and create a career that has topped the music world in three different decades by sheer dumb luck. He exhibits all the same characteristics that any successful businessman has, and he's only gotten smarter as time has gone by. I don't for one second believe that all that effort was put into promoting Tamar for only a few one-off shows in selected cities. Similarly, Prince wouldn't have promoted "3121" as extensively as he did after announcing a tour was forthcoming if he wasn't committed to that tour. I say these things from the perspective of a businessman. Goals were set and Prince had, IMO, every intention of reaching them. Something happened to change everything. In case you forgot, Prince's wife sued for divorce. We don't know the circumstances behind it, but we do know that Mani filed - not Prince. Therefore, it is possible that Prince didn't want the divorce. If that's so, then losing your wife when you didn't want to would qualify as something that might change everything. Prince had made committments to appear on TV and promote "3121". He honored those committments. As far as we know, however, there were no signed documents or booked arenas set up for the tour. Therefore, there were no committments. Not touring doesn't appear to have broken any committment. To say that Prince just drops proteges and scuttles tours at the drop of a hat doesn't make business sense to me. | |
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