There have been several Prince RUMORS posted in the past couple of weeks. There have also been some Prince PLANS posted in the past 3 or 4 months and a great deal of BOTH have NOT come 2 pass. As it relates 2 the facts mixed in with both the rumors and facts there is one thing about Prince that we know 4 sure. He changes his mind a great deal. U guys keep labeling things as LIES when in a lot of cases they are NOT.

Case in point: Prince posts a snippet of a new song called “Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful” one week and the week DIRECTLY following the website closes down. Do U think that was planned? Or do u think it just happened?

Case in point #2: Prince has been performing here and in London with Tamar in tow. He was grooming her 4 the debut cd 2 be released. She not only performed with Prince but she also had a few shows where Prince was her “band” member. What happens when it’s time 4 her cd 2 drop? NOTHING……….it has been put off indefinitely. Do U think that was planned? Or do u think it just happened?

The point that I am trying 2 make is simple. Prince is a very complicated individual and is involved in a lot of activities all at once. What is planned and intended 2day becomes an after thought tomorrow. Do U think that is planned? Or do u think it just happens?

Graycap23 said:

CASE IN POINT

I'm not harping on you, when I say this:

But a lot of the folks here who consider themselves rabid, staunch, diehard fans take very seriously any semblance of news... especially news about an upcoming product.

This thread seems to be an attempt to guard your credibility. Lies or not, some things you've said in the past have fallen under criticism. Previous Orgers' cred was treated the same way after similar developments, treated here like something akin to false prophecy.

With all that in mind, I have but a question: Knowing how fickle or whimsical Prince can be, why would anyone sincerely post about an alleged forthcoming project?

Is it worth it, in the end? Even if Prince himself asks you to relay it?

Reminds me of:





punctuational edit.
[Edited 9/12/06 12:28pm]

The Tamar thing could have been more about test marketing. Maybe he didn't like the response so he either put it on a back burner or is reworking things. This is not about changing one's mind. So, no it doesn't seem planned...seems he was going with the flow.

Now about the lies/rumors, that's probably not a question you need to post here. Since you're the root of most of them, you know the answer to that one better than we do.

ThreadBare said:

I hear that. It would be EZ 4 me 2 kill the Graycap23 user id, create and new one and continue posting but I will NOT do that. This is a simple post about Prince, NOT my credibility.
[Edited 9/12/06 12:49pm]

ThreadBare said:

I love Peanuts.

anon said:

I thought much of the response was good. Many liked her music a lot. It took me a while to warm up to it, but BB&B was one of the best songs on 3121. I think there may have been a little backlash on him promoting her in lieu of promoting 3121. Funny how he didn't want to compete with his back catalog at the same time as 3121, but was willing to put her out at the same time as him.

superspaceboy said:

Many liked her work on 3121 but not necessarily Milk and Honey, at least the tracks that were posted. But you're right, promoting anyone when your fans are looking for you, is only setting them up for backlash.

Graycap23 said:

Then it is extremely redundant.

Graycap23 said:

Can we NOT get into this again. People have explained to you what exactly it is that bothered them about your posts. Only to have you quip some princeisms or come up with a pretty poem and NOT explain yourself or anything and then you just carry on. You seem not to get it. You say it's about Prince and not your credibility. Many of us see right through that, as it really is about your credibility now, whether you mean it to be or not.

Whatever you say going forward is going to be looked at and regarded with a lot of scrutiny. If this was not your intention, you should NOT have posted anything...nor kept up posting things causing threads to Burn 10 pages long. Even now with this post you are not going to get the answers on your "inoccuous" thread.

superspaceboy said:

He's definitely no Anji

superspaceboy said:

See my avatar.

anon said:

I would have liked to have seen Prince pre 3121 and Temar Post 3121. If he had stuck to the 3121 thingy and toured and then touted her album and toured for her, MANY would have likened to her better. I am thinking that a 3121 tour might have been disappointing as half of it would have been the Temar show. Many who went to see her...really were looking to see Prince.

I personally think he should have touted her outside of his camp and reached out to a bigger fan base, like the folks who listen to Buffonce or Macy Gray. Being paired up with Prince is almost a nail in the coffin to begin with. Great opportunity to work with Prince, sure...but he's considered by many a nostolgic act that doesn't garner that many new and young followers (they get drafted by us...not MTV or radio) that she would need to launch her carreer.

Graycap23 said:

Whatever man.

superspaceboy said:

I agree. I think she could have worked with Prince, though. It was the pairing of Tamar and the twins that didn't work. That changed the whole vibe. It may have been better if she simply tour with him...no word of a solo career. Let people ask for her...they would have.

anon said:

I never thought about it that way. U may be correct.

ThreadBare said:

Oh and 2 answer your q: My relationship with certain people has NOT changed based on what you call the "end". I fully understand that u travel through life on your reputation, and here it appears that mine has been damaged by no follow through on my post. I get that, but I will NOT fad 2 black because of it. What u describe as the "end" , I describe as the beginning.

I think P knew that the NPGMC was going to go down when he posted “Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful” and it was just a nice way of making it go out on a high.

I'm certain that both that demo and those bizarre questions, one of which was asking for our favourite out-take, may be very interesting when speculating about what P's next online project is.

superspaceboy said:

Who is putting out a) P's back catalog? b) 3121? And P wants to plug c) Tamar? I would say case in point but i'm not sure what my point is, but it's something like a) Warner Bros - b) Universal - and uh, c) Universal.... so Universal is s'posed to be marketing (ewch i hate that word) 3121 while P is promoting Tamar everywhere he goes..... I think Prince is saying Tamar's album is gonna be released on Universal as much as Graycap is saying Prince is touring the UK as we speak...

(not that u said that Graycap, it's just a simile/metaphor/whatever)

mrsquirrel said:

lol.....by next week I would have been QUOTED as having said that.

Graycap23 said:

I have to agree with you. Someone is his camp told us something like that sometime ago. So when I hear news and then that news doesn't happen, it doesn't surprise me one bit, that's just Prince, spontaneous!

He’s a man, men always change their minds and don’t tell others.
Woman change there minds 2 but got 2 tell everyone about it.

I've still got the same mind that I was born with.


Maybe it's time that I changed it.

anon said:

I'm trying to think back... weren't the twins always part of the Tamar team? The first tv appearance was SNL and they were there, so how could they have 'changed the vibe'?



What, like people were clamouring for Cat? Or Rosie Gaines?

I really don't know what has happened with the whole Tamar thing. Clearly he was hugely behind the project at one point, Tamar going everywhere with him. Perhaps there was some falling out between Prince and Tamar, who knows? But speaking of the twins, I think Prince spotted they were a strong image, probably stronger than Tamar, and seems to have increasingly used them for his own performances.

Graycap23 said:

Easy there, amigo.

"In the end," was employed as a figure of speach, much like, "on the other hand." I intended no existential subtext, I assure you.

I hope you don't feel ganged up on. I didn't mean that, either.

In the end, it's just music from a great artist. Not even as deep as "The Path to 9/11" or the midterm elections.

RitaQoS said:

I don't know, I think if he knew he was shutting down the npgmc why waste time and money getting the web technicians to create a new beta version of the download store mere weeks before the end? Or why put out a demo snippet when he could have put out the full song as a final fairwell to the npgmc? A demo seems to me a bit of a half-assed way to go out on a 'high'. No, I think he was continuing with the site as normal and then something happened very suddenly. Whether that was some legal issue, a falling out with the web developers, or a revelation one night that he needed to cancel the npgmc similar to the Black Album situation, who knows?

I really thought and still believe he will eventually come up with something to replace the npgmc, but quite what he is waiting for I don't know. Prince disappears for a few months and the fans become convinced there's some massive masterplan project in the pipeline, but for all we know Prince might not have a clue what his next move is going to be.

If you've been a Prince fan for more than 25 years like I have you don't sweat it, you just gotta go with the flow. Your complaining is not gonna change anything.

wlcm2thdwn said:

25 years? You, too?

Wow.



Gosh, we're old.

this thread is too similar to "is Prince a liar thread"...

if he NEVER intended to do something but said he would, THEN he would be a liar.

if things change or he decides to go a different route , obviously its his perogative

katt said:

**** I agree with u about men....
Prince changes his mind every second but he's able 2 make ya surprises when the the less u r expecting it... so U can not 4give him....