FIML said: Krystal666 said: Oh you know it's just a man assuming he knows what is best for a woman. You know how alot of them are! Thank you Krystal! That's all it is... why do people have to analyse the shit out of stuff.. Well I think I've been guilty too of overanalyzing...but you know, this song is pretty straight forward to me...he wants this woman, her lifestyle presents a challenge...he's trying to change her mind because he wants her. Easy stuff! | |
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sacredwarrior said: meow85 said: Why in the world would someone who, being in the public eye and publicly only liking women, be more comfortable around the gender they're attempting to hide their interest in? Not saying that means anything about Prince, but be reasonable.
mayb he's uncomfortable around males because males beat him up at school, i dunno . Maybe he finds it hard to relate to males because they find it so hard to relate and be comfortable around women and he finds it natural. | |
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Krystal666 said: sacredwarrior said: mayb he's uncomfortable around males because males beat him up at school, i dunno . Maybe he finds it hard to relate to males because they find it so hard to relate and be comfortable around women and he finds it natural. HUH? " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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meow85 said: FruitToAttractBears said: I don't say things that aren't called for. Sometimes it's better to just let things go... | |
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meow85 said: Yeshua4all said: Prince is not, was not, and is never going to be GAY. Prince has NEVER, is not currently, nor will he ever be even remotely interested in having sex with a man. A. No I’m not Prince. But of course for anyone really paying attention over the past 25 years, I don’t have to be Prince in order to respond with absolute certainty to the post that I was responding to in EXACTLY the way I did it. The whole premise that one has to be someone else to accurately convey the thoughts and perspectives of said person is wildly asinine and simply juvenile in its reasoning. B. No I will not shut up. Point of fact, I don’t have to. In case you missed one of the defining characteristics of the ORG, allow me to clue you in. It’s a FORUM. You can look that up when you get a chance. It’s meaning can be found in a very useful book called a dictionary. See there. Learning can be fun. C. Everyday many people on this forum and others post credibly observational statements that accurately reflect the way Prince thinks or feels about any number of things and those statements are universally concurred with because of what we have corporately come to know as factual about who he is from the testimony of his public life (parts of his private life as well) and career. Example: “Prince is a vegetarian.” Did I need to be Prince to know the truth of that statement? No. With regards to this subject, Prince himself has answered this one for us on the Dirty Mind album, continued to marvel at the conjecture on Controversy, and in various other ways and statements over the years made it clear that he isn’t about that (all the while adding to a long list of some of the finest women who were/perhaps still are his lovers). Yet more often than I care to get into we find ourselves back here being pressured to give credence to this fanciful tripe or risk being branded as homophobic How tragically desperate people sound when they gin up this "he said/I heard/I'm from" nonsense. People who we admire don't have to be into the same things that we are. In fact if that is really a prerequiste for us to identify with them, then ultimately we are all a bunch of loser narcissists because we are really just getting off on ourselves instaed of letting other people be who they are. It's sad and tired. Get over it, passed it and through it! And how tragically desperate are those that feel compelled to defend a celebrity's (assumed) heterosexuality. You're the one who needs to get over it. Like I said, Prince doesn't seem to care that some people think he likes dick, so why do you? Again, there is nothing assumed about it. There is more empirical evidence that is and never was gay than there is that historical figures like Alexander the Great ever truly existed. There is as much evidence to say that Prince actually doesn’t write his own music as there is to claim that he is gay. The twisted thing about it is that if someone here were to seriously proffer that particular assertion, they would be appropriately relegated to “mentalville” status, but hold someone’s feet to the fire by insisting upon reasonable proof for their claim that Prince is a homosexual, well then you’re attacked with venom and crudeness. We aren’t supposed to challenge the sort of nonsensical “I'm from Minneapolis. I've got all kinds of stories about Prince” therefore they must be true poppycock that ol Judas was selling, and if you do, the first reaction by some here is to try to bully and demean you with their posts. For those of us that have witnessed this happen over and over again, I say to you all, don’t be afraid. Your voice is as valid as theirs. Don’t sink to the level of profanity and vileness but defend your position with sound reasoning without intellectual fraud. Lastly, I am obliged to defend anyone to the same degree that others are obliged to wantonly discredit them without due cause and proof. To do otherwise is cowardice and I am not fearful. My question you and anyone else who may feel justified with floating these rumors out there is if you admire and love him so much, why should you not believe him, those who have been closest to him and the record of his public life when they are in perfect concert with the other? Is your need to have your fantasy that crucial, to the point where you’re not only ok with deluding yourself but others as well? The initial question of the thread was and still is an intriguing one. JudasLChrist took it way out of bounds and Christos7 and I called him on it. I for one will continue to do so when needs be. [Edited 9/13/06 14:51pm] [Edited 9/13/06 14:57pm] | |
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Yeshua4all said: The initial question of the thread was and still is an intriguing one. JudasLChrist took it way out of bounds and Christos7 and I called him on it. I for one will continue to do so when needs be.
Same here. It's amazing the audacity, and down right disrespectfulness some people convey on message boards, knowing full well the person about whom the allegations r made has no equivalent right of reply here. Put ur (real) name 2 the claim... Ya never know, Prince might just send U a letter! | |
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christos7 said: meow85 said: ...Prince doesn't seem to care that some people think he likes dick, so why do you?
"A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Yeshua4all said: Again, there is nothing assumed about it. There is more empirical evidence that is and never was gay than there is that historical figures like Alexander the Great ever truly existed. There is as much evidence to say that Prince actually doesn’t write his own music as there is to claim that he is gay. The twisted thing about it is that if someone here were to seriously proffer that particular assertion, they would be appropriately relegated to “mentalville” status, but hold someone’s feet to the fire by insisting upon reasonable proof for their claim that Prince is a homosexual, well then you’re attacked with venom and crudeness. We aren’t supposed to challenge the sort of nonsensical “I'm from Minneapolis. I've got all kinds of stories about Prince” therefore they must be true poppycock that ol Judas was selling, and if you do, the first reaction by some here is to try to bully and demean you with their posts. For those of us that have witnessed this happen over and over again, I say to you all, don’t be afraid. Your voice is as valid as theirs. Don’t sink to the level of profanity and vileness but defend your position with sound reasoning without intellectual fraud. Lastly, I am obliged to defend anyone to the same degree that others are obliged to wantonly discredit them without due cause and proof. To do otherwise is cowardice and I am not fearful. My question you and anyone else who may feel justified with floating these rumors out there is if you admire and love him so much, why should you not believe him, those who have been closest to him and the record of his public life when they are in perfect concert with the other? Is your need to have your fantasy that crucial, to the point where you’re not only ok with deluding yourself but others as well? The initial question of the thread was and still is an intriguing one. JudasLChrist took it way out of bounds and Christos7 and I called him on it. I for one will continue to do so when needs be. I'm not floating any rumours around, thank you very much. I've never once tried to claim or prove anything about Prince's sexual preferences either way. But this I know for a fact -human sexuality comes in an incredible variety and with a lot of grey area, and only the individual in question (Prince) can really know for sure where their preferences lie. I also know for fact that, for whichever reason, some people will try to conceal their sexuality from others, particularly if they are in the public eye. And that does mean that -in spite of all evidence to the contrary -the possibility is still open that the Kid has interests other than he's shown through his public persona. Nothing less, nothing more. So, unless you yourself ARE Prince, you can't tell anymore than I could that he's 100% without a doubt heterosexual. I've never tried to delude others into believing something about a celebrity that wasn't true, nor is it somehow "my fantasy" for Prince to be sexually interested in men. I've got no stakes in his love life, so why should I care who he likes to stick it in? All I'm trying to do here, is point out that not one of us can claim they know for sure which way he swings. Something which you have tried to do, while I have not. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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aw, fucking hell...this is exactly how the other "lesbians & 'bambi'" thread ended up. | |
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Yeshua4all said: The initial question of the thread was and still is an intriguing one.
Thanks! It was great to get some really honest replies. For any lesbian to step forward and openly admit they'd let Prince hit it, I think that's great. It shows SPIRIT to me, open ended honesty... what a breath of fresh air! " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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HOW did I take it out of bounds?
I only posted what I belive to be true. The several people that I got information from who had direct experience w/ Prince could possibly be lying. But I don't believe they were. I have no reason to believe they were. I never said Prince was gay. I do believe he has had sex with men. Honestly, people act like it's slander to say something like that, but it's not. It's just not. | |
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JudasLChrist said: HOW did I take it out of bounds?
I only posted what I belive to be true. The several people that I got information from who had direct experience w/ Prince could possibly be lying. But I don't believe they were. I have no reason to believe they were. I never said Prince was gay. I do believe he has had sex with men. Honestly, people act like it's slander to say something like that, but it's not. It's just not. You'd think you'd said he ate babies or butchered puppies in his free time, they way some people reacted. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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JudasLChrist said: Honestly, people act like it's slander to say something like that, but it's not. It's just not.
Oh, but it is... Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law Main Entry: slander Function: noun Etymology: Anglo-French esclandre, from Old French escandle esclandre scandal, from Late Latin scandalum moral stumbling block, disgrace, from Greek skandalon, literally, snare, trap 1 : defamation of a person by unprivileged oral communication made to a third party; also : defamatory oral statements 2 : the tort of oral defamation —compare DEFAMATION, FALSE LIGHT, LIBEL NOTE: An action for slander may be brought without alleging and proving special damages if the statements in question have a plainly harmful character, as by imputing to the plaintiff criminal guilt, serious sexual misconduct, or conduct or a characteristic affecting his or her business or profession. —slan·der·ous /'slan-d&-r&s/ adjective —slan·der·ous·ly adverb —slan·der·ous·ness noun | |
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christos7 said: JudasLChrist said: Honestly, people act like it's slander to say something like that, but it's not. It's just not.
Oh, but it is... Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law Main Entry: slander Function: noun Etymology: Anglo-French esclandre, from Old French escandle esclandre scandal, from Late Latin scandalum moral stumbling block, disgrace, from Greek skandalon, literally, snare, trap 1 : defamation of a person by unprivileged oral communication made to a third party; also : defamatory oral statements 2 : the tort of oral defamation —compare DEFAMATION, FALSE LIGHT, LIBEL NOTE: An action for slander may be brought without alleging and proving special damages if the statements in question have a plainly harmful character, as by imputing to the plaintiff criminal guilt, serious sexual misconduct, or conduct or a characteristic affecting his or her business or profession. —slan·der·ous /'slan-d&-r&s/ adjective —slan·der·ous·ly adverb —slan·der·ous·ness noun how is saying p had sex with men harmful? and how - in this day and age - is it a threat to his business? " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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sacredwarrior said: Krystal666 said: Maybe he finds it hard to relate to males because they find it so hard to relate and be comfortable around women and he finds it natural. HUH? Because lots of men can only relate to a woman sexually...Prince obviously has lots of female friends and enjoys their company...lots of men just like objectifing women and can't talk to them and see friends as guys. They see women as mothers or sex objects, not friends. Prince just might find it hard to relate to men these types as men because he finds women very fun. | |
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Krystal666 said: sacredwarrior said: HUH? Because lots of men can only relate to a woman sexually...Prince obviously has lots of female friends and enjoys their company...lots of men just like objectifing women and can't talk to them and see friends as guys. They see women as mothers or sex objects, not friends. Prince just might find it hard to relate to men these types as men because he finds women very fun. So let me get this straight (ha a pun!): Prince perfers hanging around women = Pimp. Prince prefers hanging around women = Homo! | |
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christos7 said: JudasLChrist said: Honestly, people act like it's slander to say something like that, but it's not. It's just not.
Oh, but it is... Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law Main Entry: slander Function: noun Etymology: Anglo-French esclandre, from Old French escandle esclandre scandal, from Late Latin scandalum moral stumbling block, disgrace, from Greek skandalon, literally, snare, trap 1 : defamation of a person by unprivileged oral communication made to a third party; also : defamatory oral statements 2 : the tort of oral defamation —compare DEFAMATION, FALSE LIGHT, LIBEL NOTE: An action for slander may be brought without alleging and proving special damages if the statements in question have a plainly harmful character, as by imputing to the plaintiff criminal guilt, serious sexual misconduct, or conduct or a characteristic affecting his or her business or profession. —slan·der·ous /'slan-d&-r&s/ adjective —slan·der·ous·ly adverb —slan·der·ous·ness noun Actually this has been settled in a London court. Boy George wrote about an old boyfriend in his book Take It Like a Man, and the old boyfriend in turn sued him for slander, as the old BF now had a girlfriend and was no longer gay. Boy countered that it wasn't slander to call someone gay, and the London court ruled in his favor. That said, apparently you think being gay is equal some form of horrible "criminal guilt". That is where we differ. I don't. I don't think it's a big deal. | |
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christos7 said: JudasLChrist said: Honestly, people act like it's slander to say something like that, but it's not. It's just not.
Oh, but it is... Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law Main Entry: slander Function: noun Etymology: Anglo-French esclandre, from Old French escandle esclandre scandal, from Late Latin scandalum moral stumbling block, disgrace, from Greek skandalon, literally, snare, trap 1 : defamation of a person by unprivileged oral communication made to a third party; also : defamatory oral statements 2 : the tort of oral defamation —compare DEFAMATION, FALSE LIGHT, LIBEL NOTE: An action for slander may be brought without alleging and proving special damages if the statements in question have a plainly harmful character, as by imputing to the plaintiff criminal guilt, serious sexual misconduct, or conduct or a characteristic affecting his or her business or profession. —slan·der·ous /'slan-d&-r&s/ adjective —slan·der·ous·ly adverb —slan·der·ous·ness noun And how exactly does this apply? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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JudasLChrist said: christos7 said: Oh, but it is... Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law Main Entry: slander Function: noun Etymology: Anglo-French esclandre, from Old French escandle esclandre scandal, from Late Latin scandalum moral stumbling block, disgrace, from Greek skandalon, literally, snare, trap 1 : defamation of a person by unprivileged oral communication made to a third party; also : defamatory oral statements 2 : the tort of oral defamation —compare DEFAMATION, FALSE LIGHT, LIBEL NOTE: An action for slander may be brought without alleging and proving special damages if the statements in question have a plainly harmful character, as by imputing to the plaintiff criminal guilt, serious sexual misconduct, or conduct or a characteristic affecting his or her business or profession. —slan·der·ous /'slan-d&-r&s/ adjective —slan·der·ous·ly adverb —slan·der·ous·ness noun Actually this has been settled in a London court. Boy George wrote about an old boyfriend in his book Take It Like a Man, and the old boyfriend in turn sued him for slander, as the old BF now had a girlfriend and was no longer gay. Boy countered that it wasn't slander to call someone gay, and the London court ruled in his favor. That said, apparently you think being gay is equal some form of horrible "criminal guilt". That is where we differ. I don't. I don't think it's a big deal. The onyl way calling someone gay could possibly be interpreted as slanderous is if the person doing the interpreting thinks there is something wrong with being gay. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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JudasLChrist said: Actually this has been settled in a London court. Boy George wrote about an old boyfriend in his book Take It Like a Man, and the old boyfriend in turn sued him for slander, as the old BF now had a girlfriend and was no longer gay. Boy countered that it wasn't slander to call someone gay, and the London court ruled in his favor.
That said, apparently you think being gay is equal some form of horrible "criminal guilt". That is where we differ. I don't. I don't think it's a big deal. ..."no longer gay"...bwahaha that's a good 1 Pls don't put words in my mouth, I didn't state being gay is equal 2 some form of horrible guilt. My point is that the letter of the law is of course, as always, open 2 interpretation, and must be taken in2 the context of the entire 'conversation/allegation'. Earlier posts do in fact fall under the category of 'defamation' and certainly 'plainly harmful in character'. A fly legal eagle would certainly have a strong case IMO, but hey...I'm no lawyer either so.. G'head...try it on! | |
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sacredwarrior said: meow85 said: As for the song, it's just a young arrogant guy thinking he's got what it takes to "convert" a lesbian.
i guess im askin, R THERE ANY LESBIANS ON THIS SITE OR THAT U KNOW OF THAT WOULD CONVERT AND HAVE SEX WITH PRINCE surely there'd b some who'd consider it, i mean with Prince, ur havin sex with a woman anyway. i'm not lesbian (to my knowledge) and yes.. i would most certainly love to have sex with prince, anytime.. anyday. You f*cked it up | |
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Oh yeah, and I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body, does that count?
Absolutely not, uh uh..no way, not even Prince... | |
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christos7 said: JudasLChrist said: Actually this has been settled in a London court. Boy George wrote about an old boyfriend in his book Take It Like a Man, and the old boyfriend in turn sued him for slander, as the old BF now had a girlfriend and was no longer gay. Boy countered that it wasn't slander to call someone gay, and the London court ruled in his favor.
That said, apparently you think being gay is equal some form of horrible "criminal guilt". That is where we differ. I don't. I don't think it's a big deal. ..."no longer gay"...bwahaha that's a good 1 Pls don't put words in my mouth, I didn't state being gay is equal 2 some form of horrible guilt. My point is that the letter of the law is of course, as always, open 2 interpretation, and must be taken in2 the context of the entire 'conversation/allegation'. Earlier posts do in fact fall under the category of 'defamation' and certainly 'plainly harmful in character'. A fly legal eagle would certainly have a strong case IMO, but hey...I'm no lawyer either so.. G'head...try it on! Nothing I said defames Prince. Period. | |
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JudasLChrist said: christos7 said: ..."no longer gay"...bwahaha that's a good 1 Pls don't put words in my mouth, I didn't state being gay is equal 2 some form of horrible guilt. My point is that the letter of the law is of course, as always, open 2 interpretation, and must be taken in2 the context of the entire 'conversation/allegation'. Earlier posts do in fact fall under the category of 'defamation' and certainly 'plainly harmful in character'. A fly legal eagle would certainly have a strong case IMO, but hey...I'm no lawyer either so.. G'head...try it on! Nothing I said defames Prince. Period. Period. I like that. | |
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Hotstuff said: sacredwarrior said: i guess im askin, R THERE ANY LESBIANS ON THIS SITE OR THAT U KNOW OF THAT WOULD CONVERT AND HAVE SEX WITH PRINCE surely there'd b some who'd consider it, i mean with Prince, ur havin sex with a woman anyway. i'm not lesbian (to my knowledge) and yes.. i would most certainly love to have sex with prince, anytime.. anyday. i reckon, if anyone wants to have sex with Prince, they bound to AT LEAST have had lesbian dreams.... u ever had one of them? x " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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christos7 said: JudasLChrist said: Actually this has been settled in a London court. Boy George wrote about an old boyfriend in his book Take It Like a Man, and the old boyfriend in turn sued him for slander, as the old BF now had a girlfriend and was no longer gay. Boy countered that it wasn't slander to call someone gay, and the London court ruled in his favor.
That said, apparently you think being gay is equal some form of horrible "criminal guilt". That is where we differ. I don't. I don't think it's a big deal. ..."no longer gay"...bwahaha that's a good 1 Pls don't put words in my mouth, I didn't state being gay is equal 2 some form of horrible guilt. My point is that the letter of the law is of course, as always, open 2 interpretation, and must be taken in2 the context of the entire 'conversation/allegation'. Earlier posts do in fact fall under the category of 'defamation' and certainly 'plainly harmful in character'. A fly legal eagle would certainly have a strong case IMO, but hey...I'm no lawyer either so.. G'head...try it on! So exactly how was it defamation or "plainly harmful in character"? If you're going to make a claim like that you need to be able to back it up. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: So exactly how was it defamation or "plainly harmful in character"? If you're going to make a claim like that you need to be able to back it up.
Oh...a reliable source told me..U know... | |
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christos7 said: meow85 said: So exactly how was it defamation or "plainly harmful in character"? If you're going to make a claim like that you need to be able to back it up.
Oh...a reliable source told me..U know... Yep. Prince is crying in his beer right now cuz someone thinks he likes cock. Then he's going to take all our asses to court over it. You'll be his star witness. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: christos7 said: Oh...a reliable source told me..U know... Yep. Prince is crying in his beer right now cuz someone thinks he likes cock. Then he's going to take all our asses to court over it. You'll be his star witness. Prince don't drink beer... BOW WOW WOW YIPPEE YO YIPPEE YEAH, BOW WOW YIPPEE YEAAAAAH!!! | |
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