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PrintablePEOPLE WE MUST REALIZE THAT PRINCE IS GETTING OLDER THINGS
WILL NOT BE THE SAME BUT AT LEAST WE GET TO JAM ONCE A YEAR. I JUST WANT THOSE CDS TO GET OUT MORE FREQUENTLY.THE VOID WE FEEL THAT THERE IS NOT MUCH GOING ON AS FANS OR FAMS WHICH EVER TITLE SUITS U.I THINK AS FAR AS THE ORG WE NEED TO STICK TO THE MUSIC ALL OF THE STUPID THREADS POSTED PERHAPS NEED A HUMOR SECTION,4THOSE WHO WISH TO ENGAGE IN SENSELESS DISCUSSIONS. | |
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utopia7 said: PEOPLE WE MUST REALIZE THAT PRINCE IS GETTING OLDER THINGS
WILL NOT BE THE SAME BUT AT LEAST WE GET TO JAM ONCE A YEAR. I JUST WANT THOSE CDS TO GET OUT MORE FREQUENTLY.THE VOID WE FEEL THAT THERE IS NOT MUCH GOING ON AS FANS OR FAMS WHICH EVER TITLE SUITS U.I THINK AS FAR AS THE ORG WE NEED TO STICK TO THE MUSIC ALL OF THE STUPID THREADS POSTED PERHAPS NEED A HUMOR SECTION,4THOSE WHO WISH TO ENGAGE IN SENSELESS DISCUSSIONS. you're no fun at all...  | |
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Anxiety said: I grew up LIVING for the newest Prince albums and singles...remember when a single would come out and the extended mix and b-side were like some kind of precious Messages From The Mountain that were as fun to sit through and decode as the albums? Remember how every piece of gossip and news about the man was exciting and auspicious and just out and out FREAKAY?! I remember reading a snippet of news in Rolling Stone about how he was going to cancel the album he'd just recorded so he could release a "gospel" album...I was beside myself...I knew whatever was coming, it was going to be fascinating. And it was. "Lovesexy" is still one of my favorites.
And then there's now. The only way I can get the music is by being part of a "club" which has the most horrible, user-UNfriendly services I've ever encountered; not only is the way they operate silly and lazy and cheap, but their so-called customer service is incompetent and condescending. There's the music itself - I haven't heard ONA yet (in case you hadn't heard), but I haven't been able to get with anything he's done since "Chaos and Disorder". There. I said it. It felt good. Sure, I like bits and pieces of recent albums, but do I listen to TRC all the way through like I do music by other artists I admire? No. I may have played TRC all the way through maybe - MAYBE - three or four times. Then there's the fan community. I will say this: thanks to the Org, I think lots of the fans have lightened up and become a lot less snobby and uptight and elitist in a "I have an Arms of Orion picture disc and YOU DON'T, nyah nyah!" kind of way. I also think Prince's flagging success has made a lot of us a LOT more modest. These days, having everything by Prince is a lot like saying you have everything Hall & Oates ever put out. Unless you're a dyed-in-the-wool fan, nobody really cares. In fact, they might find it a little weird. (Not that "they" really matter, of course, but I'm just sayin'.) But then, I remember not very long ago when the Org was fun. I won't go into my usual "General Discussion Shutdown" rant, other than to say that between the Org being such a great place to visit and having just come off the incredible high that was seeing Prince's ONA tour earlier this year, I felt a second wind as a Prince Freak...maybe there's something to this whole "loyal fan" trip after all... Then Prince.Org kinda crashed and burned in a fit of moderation-gone-berzerk. Then I paid NPGMC a hundred bucks for the privilege of confusing/snippy e-mails telling me I'll get what I paid for when they feel like sending it. Let me be perfectly clear about my state of mind on this subject at the present moment: IT FUCKING SUCKS TO BE A PRINCE FAN RIGHT NOW. So my question is this: Do I have patience? Or do I chalk it up to nostalgia and quit giving him the money that I've been shovelling out for the past two decades? I dunno. It's sad when something you grew up with, something that brought you a lot of enjoyment and something that really got you through a few tough parts of your life, just seems to have given up, and becomes something else completely...something you can't relate to anymore...something that isn't as meaningful as it used to be...and something that's become downright disappointing, on levels I never could have predicted in, say, 1988. Or even, I suppose, in 1998 for that matter. Sorry to be so party-poopy. It just sucks. And HELL YEAH I edited this. [This message was edited Tue Aug 13 5:24:35 PDT 2002 by Anxiety] When will the punk ass crying stop. If you went to Xenophbia, all your doubts would have been erased. But then, who needs you? NPG doesnt. FACE doesnt. and Prince damn sure doesnt..so bounce! | |
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Well first of all, let me give you props for explaining how you feel, in a respectable way. Some people whom are not as intelligent as you simply blurt out, Prince Sux!
Maybe you have reached your saturation point as far as Prince. Nothing last forever you know. You might take a break from him, and if something interests you later on, maybe you'll spend a few bucks, you never know. I just always find myself satisfied with the music Prince puts out. It's almost if he writes the music for me to enjoy. So when I have that kind of money to spend, I will, and when I don't, I won't. Blue 
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"Is Prince worth it anymore?"
I've been following Prince since 1981, and been through many changes with him. His musical style has changed just as much as his clothes. Princes music is far above than most musicians 2 date. He has changed so many times 2 stay fresh. NOBODY can really stay up 2 par with him. Yes he's had his ups and downs, but so has everybody in the biz. In the 80's Prince was raw and ahead of his time. Back then he was considered 2 b a prick by most who knew him. BUT there was a good reason 4 that. While other bands were putting out 1 hit wonders, he was making history. His lifestyle was music 24-7. Let's say Prince was only making music in the 80's and that was it. The albums released in those 10 years most musicians couldn't even begin 2 compose. A new Prince album was like waiting 4 the next man 2 land on the moon. The thing that cursed Princes entire carreer was the critics. He would release an album completely different from the last, and they expected the same thing. He was way ahead of his time like I said b4, and that's the way they viewed him. As his personal life...that's just it. It's personal!! I don't sit at home thinking...gee prince is really stupid 4 breaking up the Revolution. Or who he was dating. I felt as long as he kept making music, I was going 2 b a part of it. I find it funny how people DOG him 4 the choices he's made. When he writes a song or does an album that's just o.k. I don't sit down and write him a letter saying WTF was that?? Yes he's released some "Not up 2 par" music. So does everybody else. He's going 2 have hit and miss albums...big deal. If he stopped recording 2day 4 the rest of his life, then so be it (That would really suck!!!) But I'd respect his wishes. People feel that prince is ripping them off. Only u can make the choice 2 give him a $100 4 the NPGMC. U've known Prince 4 a long time. U know his track record...U know that he changes his mind within seconds from 1 thing 2 another. If I don't get another cd from the club...oh well. I was aware of Princes whims when I joined the club. NOBODY is making u join!!! NOBODY is telling u that he's coming ur town 2 play!!! Basicly nothing shocks me about Prince anymore, and hasn't 4 a long time. I've accepted him 4 who he is...and that's all u can really do. By the way...great thread!! "Everybody's looking 4 the ladder, everybody wants salvation of the soul. The steps u take r no easy road. But the reward is great 4 those who want 2 go.." | |
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Anxiety said: So my question is this: Do I have patience? Or do I chalk it up to nostalgia and quit giving him the money that I've been shovelling out for the past two decades? I dunno. It's sad when something you grew up with, something that brought you a lot of enjoyment and something that really got you through a few tough parts of your life, just seems to have given up, and becomes something else completely...something you can't relate to anymore...something that isn't as meaningful as it used to be...and something that's become downright disappointing, on levels I never could have predicted in, say, 1988. Or even, I suppose, in 1998 for that matter. Sorry to be so party-poopy. It just sucks. And HELL YEAH I edited this. [This message was edited Tue Aug 13 5:24:35 PDT 2002 by Anxiety] Just because Prince's recent offerings are not to your liking is no reason (IMO of course!) to feel let down. Prince may have been part of the soundtrack to your life before, but at the end of the day it was a soundtrack to your life, not anyone elses and not Prince's life. You can't expect an artist to consistently connect with what you feel over a 20 year period. I'm sure you've changed during that time and so has Prince. So by all means if you want to, take a break. I did. And whenever you decide to come back you can easily catch up on what you missed. 
And now for the edit... [This message was edited Tue Aug 13 12:27:07 PDT 2002 by RandomDuck] | |
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What a bunch of cry babies...U like stay U don't get OFF somewhere else.
He's released so much more music in the 90's than 80's ...so there's more filler also. Be happy there's still life in the old dog and the stuff he's doing is interesting. | |
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Funny, i was just asking myself this same question...
With everything being so expensive in our times, and children to raise, how can i justify buying expensive CD's and video's for my pleasure. So, i decided to stop buying all other artists CD's. Prince is still the one...always will be. When will ppl wake up?? Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind. | |
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WorldWideLuv said: WELL I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS ABOUT !!! HEY ITS LIKE THIS PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE THE HITS FOREVER.ITS TIME FOR A NEW GENERATION TO CHANGE THE STYLE OF MUSIC. YOU SEE IT HAPPEN EVERYDAY, SO GET OVER IT !!!
But that's part of the problem, It's NOT happening everyday. With the exception of a handful of truly talented artists, Popular music shows virtually no promise of real musical growth. R&B no longer influences Pop and Hip-Hop, it's the other way around. There are no longer any bands in R&b. Anyone remember Cameo, Gap Band, The Time, etc? They've moved on, but have not been replaced by newer but equaly talented or innovative groups. There is virtualy no difference between the average Pop group and the average R&b group. What's the difference between Britney and Ashanti, or Nsync and B2K? You can't have a hit these days without Ja-Rule, Nelly, or P.Diddy on it. I'm not hating on rappers, because many of them or very talented at what they do, but where the fuck are the muscians? Who's out there that is innovative enough to take musical to the next level? I really like artists like Maxwell, Erykah Badu, Remy Shand, and a few others. Alicia Keys and Musiq are both very talented and promising, but both are also overated IMO. We'll have to see where they are in the next few years. The current state of Popular music is one of the reasons Prince's music is so important. At his worst, he is still far and away superior to the choice available today. "We can play 4 days! If it get dry, gimme that mayonaise!" | |
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I agree with the person who asked was it worth it? I really have to say no. When you get reemed by people at at concet who are club members saying your not a true fan cuz you don't dig alot of the new stuff, or because you can't phathem spending 100 dollars to join the stupid club..it is ridiculus. I listen to the old stuff, and I really miss prince. I miss him and it was sad to see him go. I think he's left us the same way anita baker did. Amassed a cetain net, told every one to F_themselves, and did his own thing. Now it is just memories. Who knows, maybe he'll be inducted to the rock and roll hall of fame, and regain noteriety, but that is a slim chance to none. But, I am grateful for the memories. | |
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I had another thing to write...I used to listen to Metallica. A lot. I have all the albums, a few singles, some vinyl, and learned how to play most of the rhythm guitar to "Ride The Lightning," which is no small feat. I even listened past "Load" and even "Re-Load." The day Lars Ulrich (the diminuative, talkative drummer) tried to bring a suit against every user that had ever downloaded a Metallica song off Napster, even the kids who already had every single release and were only getting boots, I stopped listening. I haven't listened to them since.
The same thing sort of happened with Prince, but the attacks don't seem as vicious anymore. | |
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SensualMelody said: I have been listening, really listening, as different ones of us have expressed our feelings about Prince...
then and now. I think I understand why feelings run so deeply. The artist has played an integral part in our lives. Here is my experience. I only came on board with Purple Rain. I always admired the talent Prince has, but I am more a poet, so lyrics have always been as important to me as any other part of a song. At times I had to separate from Prince due to the lyrical content of his music. In doing so, I had to deprive myself of some really great MUSIC. That was a personal sacrifice I was willing to make...but I never blamed Prince for doing what he wanted to do. So, at present, Prince is still doing what he wants to do. It just happens that I now have few reservations about the lyrics so I can enjoy the wonderful MUSIC more. Others have the opposite experience. The lyrical content is not to their liking. Where one could once depend on the music to turn on one's libido, now it is actually appealing to one's higher self, much to the consternation of some. As a result, some are deciding to sacrifice experiencing some really great MUSIC. It's a personal sacrifice and Prince is not to blame. ONE OBSERVATION: Prince is gaining popularity from a whole different section of the population. I know many many 16 year olds to 21 year olds who are tuning in for the first time and are being blown away by the new "real music for music lovers" Prince. Also, Prince is gaining the admiration of older ones who could never have appreciated "His Royal Badness". I know personally of many who have gone "Whoa! Is that Prince?...I gotta get that CD!" So as Prince says "for every door that closes, another one opens". He is a musical genius, period. We can get on and off the ride as we see fit...but we have to admit that it's a heck of a ride. 
And then there are those who will never leave him, no matter what. - SensualMelody, I agree with everything you said, and you said it very well. You statement said many things, but the one thing that stands out is that simply put, "FANS NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS". I'm glad that I'm one of those fans who keeps an open enough mind to appreciate EVERYTHING that Prince has done musically. To me, when talking about Prince's music, it's all "art".. And just like any form of art, some works will be more appealing to me than others. But regardless of my personal like or dislike for a particular song or album, I remain equally appreciative and intrigued by all of Prince's art because I recognize that it is all the work of a genius. I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Many different fans like or dislike Prince's music for different reasons. And for whatever the reasons due to where Prince is at right now, many fans are now at a crossroads and now have a decision to make. If someone reading this is a fan that is at a crossroads much like "Anxiety" appears to be, then my advice is to make a decision and accept responsibilty for your decision and your actions. But blaming Prince for what "you" choose to do will get you no where. The choice is yours. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ah...Beautiful Diversity
Cracked me up tho Anx 
I thought Ur CD-ONA is comming with the next one - I thought that is the deal ?? Someone checked out ..can`t remember now.Hmmm Who is it that runs the NPGMC ? Do We Know?? To answer to Ur question...Cheee -No Question | |
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Revolution said: So, i decided to stop buying all other artists CD's.
Prince is still the one...always will be. When will ppl wake up?? People dont need to wake up...they will enjoy who they want...Just because it isnt Prince doesnt mean they are dead or in a coma... Prince wouldnt be Prince if he didnt appreciate *other* artist... I wonder how many people on this site lack culture and perspective...the world doesnt revolve around prince...this site, maybe...but not Prince.  | |
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Its simple as being open minded willing 2 understand & calm enough 2 go through the many changes & experiences in Prince's musical journey. But that goes 4 all true artist. Its a shame 2 ask a gifted talent like Prince 2 stay put in any one phase, just 2 please most people.
If the thrill is gone 4 U like some talk about, then maybe its U who needs 2 move on & hold on 2 your dear memorys of the past that pleased U best. I may not like everything ...but Its really about respecting another's vision. When I was younger as well, I had this great sense & thrill about the next album etc...But the key word is "younger". The thrill or the feeling as U get older 4 some like "me" changes as U become more mature & wiser, thus understanding at least 4 me becomes much clearer. Do U weigh his worth in record sells? Having the 1# video on TRL? His worth has so much depth in music, that it really transcends all that (SUGAR) a.k.a whats popular. Heck Miss Buttersworth, can't pour it on pancakes as thick as Prince can 2 music. Seem's that many 4-get its his art his music 2 mold in away shape or form he desires. Let's say if Purple Rain helped U figure things out as a kid, or helped U get past a tough time...that was meant just 4 that time frame. People try 2 drag certain things from the past & expect 2 have that same feelin or outcome about his music 4-ever more. Thats not Prince's problem, thats your problem 2 workout. We all change in someway. I'm enjoying the ride, because he's happy making the music from his spirit, and I'm open 2 that. I'll work my personal filter of what I like or don't. But why let it bend U so out of shape? Dig this...If your bestfriend from childhood sat U down and told U how sad or hurt etc.. he was because your not that spunky 14yr old anymore...And he misses that version of U so much that he wishes U could change back 4 him and really B 14 again because it meant alot more 2 him... would U change? And go backwards 2 B ditto what U once were? Or are U going 2 say what the *** are U crazy man, Feel me?..samething...times change people change, people grow & directions & ideas change...thats life & Prince is living his~ My friend the only one who has given up is U...Prince is moving on flowing with his soul. | |
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I love being a Prince FAM. it is one of the more enjoyable aspects of life for me, Prince constantly renews my spirit, helps me get through the day, and has broadened my religious horizons, to where I can appreciater something from every kind of religion. Prince is great, this negativity movement is becoming way too strong. BY THE POWER INVESTED IN ME BY GOD ALL NEGATIVITY BOWS | |
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UsexyMF said: Its simple as being open minded willing 2 understand & calm enough 2 go through the many changes & experiences in Prince's musical journey. But that goes 4 all true artist. Its a shame 2 ask a gifted talent like Prince 2 stay put in any one phase, just 2 please most people.
but nobody is wanting Prince to stay in certain phase...we just want him to convey a since of energy, passion and enthusiasm in his music again... for example...Aimee Mann, the cat has been around for almost two decades now...her musical style has changed, but the passion and love of music is still there..you can hear it in her voice...Prince used to have this and some people swear that he still does...but, for a large amount of people, the guy is missing it... Once again, let me point out it has nothing to do with musical style...we dont want Prince to re-hash his 80s sound... Why is it, whenever deep discussions about the enjoyment of Prince's music is started here...Every person who defends Prince throws this blanket assumption that naysayers (for lack of a better word) are stuck liking one musical style...Just NOT TRUE!!! | |
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SkletonKee said: UsexyMF said: Its simple as being open minded willing 2 understand & calm enough 2 go through the many changes & experiences in Prince's musical journey. But that goes 4 all true artist. Its a shame 2 ask a gifted talent like Prince 2 stay put in any one phase, just 2 please most people.
but nobody is wanting Prince to stay in certain phase...we just want him to convey a since of energy, passion and enthusiasm in his music again... for example...Aimee Mann, the cat has been around for almost two decades now...her musical style has changed, but the passion and love of music is still there..you can hear it in her voice...Prince used to have this and some people swear that he still does...but, for a large amount of people, the guy is missing it... Once again, let me point out it has nothing to do with musical style...we dont want Prince to re-hash his 80s sound... Why is it, whenever deep discussions about the enjoyment of Prince's music is started here...Every person who defends Prince throws this blanket assumption that naysayers (for lack of a better word) are stuck liking one musical style...Just NOT TRUE!!! Prince's musical Passion is very intense at this period in time. anyone who saw him in concert this year can tell U that. als there was a great deal of passion in TRC, i don't think his music has gone down hill at all. he is still just as , if not more passionate now then he was in the 80s. BY THE POWER INVESTED IN ME BY GOD ALL NEGATIVITY BOWS | |
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korovyov said: Prince's musical Passion is very intense at this period in time. anyone who saw him in concert this year can tell U that. als there was a great deal of passion in TRC, i don't think his music has gone down hill at all. he is still just as , if not more passionate now then he was in the 80s.
we arent talking concerts here...i agree 100% that prince turned the songs from TRC into powerful works on stage...but, on record, the tunes are muted and lacking...IMHO...which, many other people here agree with...and no decade or timeperiod needs to be mentioned...I happen to enjoy The Truth, which was a recent recording...But Rave, TRC, NewPowerSoul have all been lacking vitality...FOR ME!! | |
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SkletonKee said: UsexyMF said: Its simple as being open minded willing 2 understand & calm enough 2 go through the many changes & experiences in Prince's musical journey. But that goes 4 all true artist. Its a shame 2 ask a gifted talent like Prince 2 stay put in any one phase, just 2 please most people.
but nobody is wanting Prince to stay in certain phase...we just want him to convey a since of energy, passion and enthusiasm in his music again... for example...Aimee Mann, the cat has been around for almost two decades now...her musical style has changed, but the passion and love of music is still there..you can hear it in her voice...Prince used to have this and some people swear that he still does...but, for a large amount of people, the guy is missing it... Once again, let me point out it has nothing to do with musical style...we dont want Prince to re-hash his 80s sound... Why is it, whenever deep discussions about the enjoyment of Prince's music is started here...Every person who defends Prince throws this blanket assumption that naysayers (for lack of a better word) are stuck liking one musical style...Just NOT TRUE!!! ***U read it the way U want 2 read it, but the truth hurts those who talk as if there needy...Most important "who are U" 2 judge Prince's passion energy or enthusiasm? Oh please then U must want the Prince of past glory right? U swear thats not the case? Well y'all got some deep issues...picky picky, I want I want...let Prince tell U what he wants out your life & see if U can meet his standard. See how sick that sounds? Its U who are douting feelin sorry sad, grumpy and playing judge because U can't respect someones "change" WHY?...U think Prince owes U something? Stuck on a style or stuck in the past...hey get over it. Whatever it is that U or whoever keeps bitching about is a problem that starts within "U" Nobody holds a gun 2 U'r head or forces U 2 buy a record/cd let alone 2 B a "fanatic" over his creative & personal issues. Spoiled so-called fans need 2 smell there own feet or something...dig it? If U care 2 re-read what I posted it was stated that "I may not like everything he does" & I don't~ So U can't say I'm blinded or try 2 protect. I just have respect and mind my own...Its just funny how some feel there the puppet master 2 Prince being the puppet & knowing whats best more so then he knows himself.(((WAKEUP))) I felt his passion energy etc...during ONA and heard it crystal clear in his voice and in his playing so...Feel as U want. Heres your tissue... Nuff said on this topic~ | |
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SkletonKee said: UsexyMF said: Its simple as being open minded willing 2 understand & calm enough 2 go through the many changes & experiences in Prince's musical journey. But that goes 4 all true artist. Its a shame 2 ask a gifted talent like Prince 2 stay put in any one phase, just 2 please most people.
but nobody is wanting Prince to stay in certain phase... Nobody is a stretch. Some people here have admitted as much. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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UsexyMF said: ***U read it the way U want 2 read it, but the truth hurts those who talk as if there needy...Most important "who are U" 2 judge Prince's passion energy or enthusiasm? Oh please then U must want the Prince of past glory right? U swear thats not the case? Well y'all got some deep issues...picky picky, I want I want...let Prince tell U what he wants out your life & see if U can meet his standard. See how sick that sounds? Its U who are douting feelin sorry sad, grumpy and playing judge because U can't respect someones "change" WHY?...U think Prince owes U something? Stuck on a style or stuck in the past...hey get over it. Whatever it is that U or whoever keeps bitching about is a problem that starts within "U" Nobody holds a gun 2 U'r head or forces U 2 buy a record/cd let alone 2 B a "fanatic" over his creative & personal issues. Spoiled so-called fans need 2 smell there own feet or something...dig it? If U care 2 re-read what I posted it was stated that "I may not like everything he does" & I don't~ So U can't say I'm blinded or try 2 protect. I just have respect and mind my own...Its just funny how some feel there the puppet master 2 Prince being the puppet & knowing whats best more so then he knows himself.(((WAKEUP))) I felt his passion energy etc...during ONA and heard it crystal clear in his voice and in his playing so...Feel as U want. Heres your tissue... Nuff said on this topic~ wow...such anger and frustration in your responce...im just responding to the discussion at hand...dont take it person...its only my opinion... Im not spoiled..dont label me a so-called fan...name calling doesnt help the debate at hand... I too heard the passion and energy during ONA...but, thats lacking from TRC...greatly... And im not trying to puppet Prince...your right, the guy is an artist...but that gives me to right to critique his art...and i find, for the most part of late, to be a bore... you like it...good for you, dont hate on me for not...maybe you need to re-read my post and realize i wasnt slamming on you for your opinion...mmm-kkkay? damn the edit!!! [This message was edited Tue Aug 13 15:37:39 PDT 2002 by SkletonKee] | |
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SkletonKee how do you pronounce that? ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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After reading your rather intense essay about Prince's worth to you, I suggest that you commit suicide right now!
Damn, being a Prince fan is just too damn unbearable! If he's recording, he must tell us everyday we check NPGOnlinltd.com. It's nearly killing me too. Let's make a suicide pact. If there is no news from Paisley, no cursing, or sexually devious lyrics, then we'll just...Die! One Condition: You must kill yourself one day before everyone else. Tell someone to send a conformation e-mail so that we may proceed. | |
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Prince will always be worth it to me. He has brought me nothing but joy in the past and still does to this day. I love the music he is putting out now just as much as anything he has ever done. In some instances even more than some of his earlier works. It is very intimate in that it is filled with the passion of his beliefs and that makes it all the more intense and substantial for me.
I do not belong to the NPGMC yet though I want to and will soon. So not having sent him a $100 membership, Prince owes me nothing, I can't complain. Not that I think any of you have any real grounds to complain yet anyway! Look at some of the wonderful experiences you have gotten from the club. I would have given anything to have attended one of those soundchecks. Everything I get from him is a gift. That is how I choose to look at it and his art continues to touch my soul. So again, yes, he is worth it. | |
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SkletonKee said
wow...such anger and frustration in your responce...im just responding to the discussion at hand...dont take it person...its only my opinion... Im not spoiled..dont label me a so-called fan...name calling doesnt help the debate at hand... I too heard the passion and energy during ONA...but, thats lacking from TRC...greatly... And im not trying to puppet Prince...your right, the guy is an artist...but that gives me to right to critique his art...and i find, for the most part of late, to be a bore... you like it...good for you, dont hate on me for not...maybe you need to re-read my post and realize i wasnt slamming on you for your opinion...mmm-kkkay? ** Haha, No anger or frustration at all. Don't let the power found in speaking strongly scare U my friend. I guess its safe 2 say i'm not lacking passion... LoL
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Of course not, Prince is like an old friend. One you treasure for always, no matter what.
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sag10 said: SkletonKee how do you pronounce that?
Skeleton Key...
it was the only variation available for AOL...and i like to keep my logg ins the same...so i used its spelling here... | |
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SkletonKee said: sag10 said: SkletonKee how do you pronounce that?
Skeleton Key...
it was the only variation available for AOL...and i like to keep my logg ins the same...so i used its spelling here... I thought that might be the pronunciation. thanks. darn edit [This message was edited Tue Aug 13 16:03:00 PDT 2002 by sag10] ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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Wow.
I posted this thread early this morning before work, and I didn't check the Org until now, after I got home from work. I'm really fascinated by all the response, be it positive, negative, thoughtful, compassionate, mean-spirited, silly, or whatEVER. I wouldn't even know whom or what to address if I tried, so let me just take a moment to absorb everything I just read and throw out some random responses and follow-up. First, let me clarify something. There is a DIFFERENCE between CRITICISM and NEGATIVITY. If criticism can bring about improvement, then it can be a positive force. Indeed, some of my choices in words might have been a little strong, and downright angry, but my point is ANYTHING BUT to say "let's all be anti-Prince and run bulldozers over his records." No. Not at all. Not in the least. Secondly, let me clarify something else: I don't WANT the music to SOUND like it did back in the day. I already OWN Purple Rain. I already OWN Sign 'O' The Times. I even have a few limited edition picture discs of my own, thank you very much! But what I'm missing is the quality, the attention to detail, the AVANT PURPLE, the little secrets hiding in the corners if you take the time to find them, the playfulness, the experimentalism, the joy. I agree - many of these qualities came out when I saw the ONA concert and I felt that I experienced an artist coming into a whole new phase of his creative life; I could see the "old" Prince that I loved merging with a new style that was stately, focused, smooth and yet exciting and bold as ever. So why does that rarely translate to his studio work anymore? (though I must admit SkeletonKee DID remind me of one thing: I do enjoy The Truth) Also, I don't know where the "you're just hating because he quite cussing" comments came from. Hell, he could sing his lyrics in Mandarin if he likes, as long as it has feeling; the point with me has NEVER been to enjoy the crudeness or the vulgarity of his music; I never had a problem with it, but it was never a reason I listened to his stuff. I could give a toss if he talked like a biker or a nun. It's all about what he MEANS.
I have no problem with the man and his work "growing". But if you're going to grow, then grow. Don't grow backwards. Take a look at my avatar for a second. This man has been making solid music since the late sixties. He's had his slumps, and he's the first person to acknowledge his low points. The man is 56 years old and he's touring with Moby, and his album is up for the Mercury Prize. He has an online business not unlike NPGMC (Bowie's came first, by the way), and his fans are happy. Bowie interacts with them via an ongoing web-log, an "Ask David" section (which Prince tried for a while, remember?) and regular online chats featuring him, his bandmates, and other musicians. He writes articles for magazines about the things and people he admires. He's an old geezer who's still learning and experimenting and listening to what his fanbase wants and delivering it. PRINCE COULD DO THAT. But we all know he won't. Look at Zappa, when he was alive. He released TONS of music in the second half of his life, all of it wildly experimental or else a response to what his fans were asking for. Live music? Hey, how about an 8-CD box set of it? Here ya go! A jazz album? Here, have several. And keep in mind - neither of these artists were looking to "pander" to their fans. They've both released the music they want(ed) to release, and did the things they want(ed) to do; Zappa never really burnt up the charts - Bowie's last few albums haven't either. But they're both looked at as people who are famous for consistently creating solid, quality, challenging, interesting music. AND PRINCE COULD DO THAT TOO. This is what's so frustrating to me. This is why I started this thread. I'm not looking to his music to help me through the Big Questions I was asking when I was 14. I've grown up. I look to other things now. But, you know, the other artists I've grown up with seemed to have matured and grown textures and layers and depth and there's no denying their maturity and the insight of their experience and the strengthening of their gifts over the years. TRC stands riiight on the edge of that, maybe. The live performance of it is even more frustratingly almost-inspired. Sure, I'll most likely ALWAYS get Prince CDs when they come out...it used to be a tradition of mine to buy the new Prince album the day it came out, bring along a discman, then go to some cafe and listen to the thing all the way through for the first time and give it my undivided attention. Now I can't even do THAT anymore, because I'm at the mercy of NPGMC's shipping policies - which SUCK SUCK SUCK (and for the person who told me not to say "suck" anymore, here are a couple more) SUCK SUCK, and it seems like to enjoy the music that I've enjoyed for over two decades, I have to jump through hoops and even then, only MAYBE will I get the music. I'm sorry. I feel he makes it harder and harder to access his work. And the pay-off seems to get more and more squalid. And NO, I don't want to "bounce". I want to stick around. All I want is the music. Maybe if I had attended the celebration, I WOULD have seen it a bit differently. Unfortunately, I was in a position this summer, which I am still in, where I can't AFFORD to trek to Minnesota, put myself up in a hotel, and on top of that pay admission (which was NOT cheap) and all the other unforseen expenses waiting at the Park. If I could have afforded all that, yeah, I would liked to have gone. Maybe next year, someone can sponsor me. 
Everyone needs to have faith in something; we all choose our targets and cling to them for dear life. For some on here, the target of their faith is Prince. Some might find this delusional, some might find it charming, some might not find it at all. I made a trade off at a certain point in my life; I quit having faith in the man, and I accepted him as an artist and a musician, nothing more. That acceptance got me through a bunch of albums I wasn't wild about, and quite frankly, I found a little alienating. But it was cool. It was where he was at. Even now, I can respect his JW schpiel on TRC. Fine. Whatever. But there's only so much compromise any one person needs to take. And my only point was to ruminate as to how far I think I would be able to go, and how far others have and can and will go. Because, ya know, I will say it again: IT FUCKING SUCKS TO BE A PRINCE FAN RIGHT NOW. But damn if I'm not still around. | |
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