pinkgirl93 said:

What does that mean? What does purpose have to do with anything? The visual element can be whatever it wants. It can be completely random and/or surreal or it can be purely about pretty visuals.

It seems as if some of you expect this thing to save the world.
It's a music video. That's it.

anon said:

Nah, not expecting it to be anything at all. I don't expect any new Prince videos to be any good at all. Nor was I dissapointed in the video.

It just sucks--that's all. A boring black-and-white video, that ranks among some of the most boring I've ever seen. He's free to do it, and I don't expect anything more from him. But since we're discussing whether it should have been the "only" video nominated for the award, of course not. I wouldn't have even nominated it to be in the running....And I'm a Prince fan.

pinkgirl93 said:

Honey, it doesn't just suck. It sucks ass.


Remember that really bad Superbowl Shuffle video the NFL made back in the 80's?
Black Sweat is less entertaining than that was.

pinkgirl93 said:

Then maybe you don't know what cinematography is.
I happen to like this video (I like Te Amo more) and I don't find it boring, but even if it were, that has nothing to do with the cinematography.

I have quite a few movies that I bought only because of the the look. And in answer to Mick's earlier question, yes I do sometimes let them play silently in the back.

anon said:

Then, you are a rare breed.

Sometimes I'll watch stuff without sound too.

MickG said:

The wife doesn't count.

anon said:

Maybe I don't.

The video would still be boring if I did. Very boring.

pinkgirl93 said:

How-can-you say:

...when you don't know what the voting criteria is?

purplecam said:

Well, you ain't gotta try too hard to improve on his previous videos. You ain't see "Come On"? or "Somebody's Somebody"? He has never been known as great maker of videos. Black Sweat's video was good though.

MickG said:

as a smart man, u already know God is on the inside. just as u already know, that for the spiritually rich, its the only place, and way in which, a'thank you' is required.

sacredwarrior said:

But as an ever smarter man, I realize that there are several layers to life and existance, and although heavenly things are the best, they are not the only reality that counts.

anon said:[quote]

pinkgirl93 said:

Becuase the video isn't any good??


I mean, I can't be the only one who think's it's boring and the cheap looking. Appreantly, MTV, and the general population does too.

How can you say it is a good video? What makes it good? What makes you think it stood a chance?

anon said:

Anon, I don't claim to know anything about what makes a good music video, but it is a remarkably boring music video to me. I guess, what I want to know is why you think it's not a bad video?

I'm not trying to be difficult but I can't imagine anybody looking at the video and thinking that it's great. It looks like of like a practice run for an Ipod commercial too me.

MickG said:

what happens when people let those other realities count for more than Heaven on Earth?

Imago said:

I didn't like the video either, but I guess what Anon is saying cinematography is more about the look of the video. Just a like a movie that sucked ass, but the overall look/color schemes/lighting and the way it was shot was good.

sacredwarrior said:

When People loose relivant realities, that doesn't lead to heaven on earth, it leads to insanity and caos. To Bring Heaven to Earth, one must see and be willing to bring Heavely realities through to phyical reality. Now get on the boat you lazy bitch!

MickG said:

let's start with proof-reading. one aspect of Heaven on earth is flawless communication. one can't afford to be lazy.

as for human institutionalised awards, aint nothing Heavenly about them because they are separatist and wholly illusionary. they are an external manifestion of the mistaken need for humans to gain recognition from some place outside of themselves solely according to personal human opinion and have utterly no weight or meaning in True Reality, where one is awarded no more than the privelege of being fully alive in one's body with the free-will choice to make good selfless use of the talents given to bring Heaven to Earth by first and foremost functioning in harmony with Nature, which awards neither itself nor any other life-form a more important or more honoured position than any other expression of it because it operates in harmony as a whole. there is no imbalance, no misguided notions, no vain heroism, no exoteric vanity, no upstaging of God.

woof. x

Imago said:

Imago, we already have an idea of what your sensibility is...and it's probably safe to say that your dislike of this video had nothing to do with lighting or the way a shot was cropped or anything like that...

...it had to do with the fact that you heard this sweaty black track and it got your hopes up too high. You must learn to separate your preconceived desires from the finished product.

anon said:

NO preconception at all. The night I new the name of the song and heard the tune for the very first time was the same night I saw the video. It bored me to tears though I liked the beat of the song.

As for my sensabilities, what are those? How would you know?

I like the Te Amo Video despite disliking the song. Again, I saw the video and heard the song all in the same sitting.

Imago said:

You left a trail of breadcrumbs.

anon said:

It just occurred to me, how that might read.
I meant that I can imagine you listening to your wife on mute...kinda like that scene in Amadeus, at the billiard table.

anon said:

Becuase I said Prince was tied to a wooden plank completely naked in a dungeon with a metal pipe sticking in his anus that would whistle in a certain key when he had a bowel movement?
That determines what kind of music video I find cool?

pinkgirl93 said:

How would you have done it differently?

anon said:

The Black Sweat video?
I wouldn't have. I'm not a musician or a pop star. I wouldn't have the faintest clue.

I just don't like his video--that's all. I mean, I know this comes as a shock to some, but there are Prince fans out there that don't like everything he's done. The Black Sweat video is bloody boring.


When you bump that up against a video with a decent beat like, say Rock Your Body, you see can feel the difference. The Timberlake video (though not a video I care for) moves, even enhances the song.

The Black Sweat video looksl ike it was filmed in a morgue.

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Imago said:

Yeah, those are the crumbs.
How would you have done the video?

Give me 3 mins...gonna pop some popcorn.

anon said:

Definately as a bollywood video.

Imago said:

Why are you answering for Pink?

Doesn't matter if you're not a musician or a pop star, neither are most that make videos. I'm only asking because you seem to really dislike it and because when we hear music, we paint our own images to them. What images would you have paired with the song?

anon said:

The song has a sexy rythim.
It moves in almost a hypnotic way.

I would have made it much more like a an updated Get Off video.
Lot's of red lighting. And bodies moving. It doesn't have to be explicit or downright sexual. But it should at least be sexy. The tap dance seen in the Musicology video is a perfect example of how the motion in the video captures the mood of the song. NONE of that is in Black Sweat.



The video he created was detached. Almost absent. But I guess I agree with Pink in that I wasn't expecting anything from the video either. So even though I think it's a shit video, it ain't no big deal.

Imago said:

Couldn't find the Get Off video. Still, that's so obvious. Red lights and moving bodies is the foolproof formula. Maybe he'll do the song in concert, with red lighting...

...just for you.

I wonder if the song were about something else, if it would still get the same strong reactions. Could it be that some people are set on this being an overtly sexy video and/or that they don't like their sexy stylized?