By the way, Killing Floor by Hendrix is a staple
.
Check out the "Live at Winterland" version, it'll knock you down.

When you pick yourself up, let me know what you think. I haven't met many women Hendrix fans.

Nep2nes said:

I rate Choas+Disorder. It gets difficult 2 listen after Uve heard it all the way thro once. But its such a good change 2 Prince normal hard funk trend that he used all thro the 80's and mosta the 90's.

Harsh.

Give me "The Work" and I'll take holiday leave and spin Erotic City.

Bloody damn good point. Why does Prince surpress his great guitar skills?? We only then get 2 hear him tear it up on occasional super solos like JoyInRep' or when he plays live. He should make like Hendrix and blitz it now and then or just turn the guitar up when he can.

I enjoy RAVE...sometimes. It does have some really good tunes on it. Rave, Greatest Romance, Tangerine, So Far So Pleased, ManoWar, I Love U But..., Sun Moon & Stars, PrettyMan, but the rest it just, well...weak.

What Un2 lacked In2 had, maybe Prince should have thought about it more and combined the best of the 2 CD's.


[This message was edited Mon Aug 12 15:55:01 PDT 2002 by SexLovely]

hey Nep2nes

RAVE in2 is still on sale at NPGMC ($15 + shipping)

I bet if you want it some nice American member could buy it for you ...
...or you could ask Marilyn for his/her still sealed copy

Rave has its moments, but unfortunately the production and some of the songs are just too bland. The obvious explanation is that Prince was going for a bit more mass appeal that time around, and he thought "I'll just keep it light and accessible"... the end result being that it sounded impersonal for a Prince album... too calculated.

Rave was awful because he only made it to sell records then promoted the wrong songs, with no Gwen Stefani video. That would have sold a ton of records.

Aerogram said:

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I agree so far so please,the greatest romance,and tangerine are some of his best work.Had so far so pleased been promoted properly it would have been a hit.Even baby knows has a cool little groove to it.The album did need a little more edge/raw feel to it.Still i liked it better than TRC or ONA.

Nep2nes said:[quote]Although 90% of Prince's output has been freaking great,, I must say that I am always surprised 2 c people name Chaos and Disorder as their least favorite release.

I never undestood that either...Chaos and disorder is a great cd...Its in my prince top 5.

I love almost every song on rave. it is a very good album, and I never understood why people don't like it, I just think it was very cool.

it is what made me a Prince fan!
[This message was edited Mon Aug 12 18:05:23 PDT 2002 by korovyov]

Janeau said:[quote]

Nep2nes said:

It just goes to show that none of us can agree on a damned thing, except that prince is an extraordinary musician, performer and songwriter. I've been slammed for loving 'Face Down", "Funky Design", "Mr. Happy", "DADaDa", and (see above) "Undisputed", while others "rave" about the merits of "Courtin' Time", "Strollin" and, yes, "Wedding Feast" - so go figure.

I'm just glad he's put out so much stuff, and for so long, that through it all I can weed out all the stuff I don't like and still have a huge mountain of funk left for my listening pleasure. His versatitlity is one of the things I dig about him, but it'll inevitabley lead to disagreement.

Thank God he doesn't have just one style. Hell, I bet he could do speed metal if he felt like it.

I thought it was better than "gold". Now that was truly 'emotionally empty'. If "I love you but I don't trust you' isn't the sound of someone at least trying to be emotionally honest, I don't know what is. Some of us could learn something from that...

narcotizedmind said:

Good point about that ballad. But flip the same point on2 Gold.

U have lots of emotion in Gold. TMBGITW, I Hate U, Gold, Dolphin, Shhh...

U properly review and compare the two albums on emotional value and give me honest opinion.

SexLovely said:

In case anyone thought I was saying there were no personal songs on Rave, I certainly don't think that. I just thought the SOUND was too impersonal... not much personality in the drums played for instance...Same goes for guitar --- it only showed maybe .5 % of what the guy can really do.

Aerogram said:

I almost whole-heartedly agree with dat. Dont get why Uve quoted me tho. Conspiracy...

SexLovely said:

But it's not a conspiracy... Not really. If it were, I'd deny it. And say something like "it's just because you developed the theme, so I replied to you."

So you developed it, that's why.

i liked rave...

(remember ya'll:it ain't ova!!!)
GOD, i luv THAT MAN

What is the deal with hatin on tha Rave album?? I don't dig all tha joint on this disc, but I don't believe it's a throw away cd! I normally skip past the 1st few trax, but the Undispute remix is tight. Plus I dig 'TGRES' remix. Tangerine...what can i say..2 short and oh so sweet. So Far, So Pleased - great rock joint that stands up nice next 2 Peach. I can't stand 'The Sun, The Moon' ...' & 'Everyday', they sound like worthless filler-throwaways. 'Man O War' is a good ballad,...4get the remix. 'Silly Game','Strange But True', 'Wherever U Go' are priceless gems that are Prince classics. If u can't feel the emotional content in a joint like 'Wherever U Go', u need 2 check ur pulse.

Nep2nes said:

Prince's output since Purple Rain has been increasingly pretentious, unoriginal, confused and pointless. ATWIAD, Parade, SOTT, Black and LoveSexy had some amazing moments on them, but it was quite obvious in this period that he was scraping the barrel of his muse. The money and fame of Purple Rain ate his soul and left a shell. Batman was a project taken on to try to recoup the losses from the LoveSexy tour and with it his career as an innovator hit the skids HARD. The music he's made since then has been lower than low. In order to keep the bills paid and his honor intact he's had to maintain and foster a consumer cult - of which most "'orgers" are loyal and generally oblivious adherents, full of denile and deffensive antagonism (as responses to my comments will undoubtedly show below). Since Batman I've watched him stoop lower and lower. Rave, apart from the title track - though it's just a jam, not a serious song by any means - is an atrociously bad album by anyone's standards. Prince now has absolutely no shame when it comes to sinking to new lows of pretentiousness and sheer "musical" pre-adolescent masturbation. It takes a thoroughly indoctrinated dolt to rationalize this pile of post-cultural excrement.

Prince and Michael Jackson are now paying the devil's price for their fame and glory in the 80s, but at least Prince has a mind-numbing, money-sucking religious cult to jerk him off.

Now, at least he can go on making quasi-appealing psudo funk with soaring guitar solos for sexually repressed Jehovah zombies to bop to.

Thanks for listening. I'm now going to put on "Bambi" and practice my air guitar.

- Sir RantsAlot

Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic was for Arista. Despite that fact, I still enjoy listening to the album.
[This message was edited Mon Aug 12 22:32:23 PDT 2002 by gatorgirl]

ROADHOUSEGARDEN said:

It's suppposed to be the cool thing to do...for a slick pop record which is all its supposed to be anyways , it aint as bad as everyone is bitchin and moanin' about. And Extreme had it right that hes been goin downhil ever since Purple Rain. He's had SOTT as a saving grace as well as intermitent great songs here and there, but he's always been uneven. He was only solid up until the 1999 album.

Xtreme said:

I didn't know Purple Rain bandwagon fans stuck around for this long.

DMSR said:

I think "Undisputed" is pretty cool.

You must be confusing it with the real all-time shitty Prince song, "Funky Music". Off the top of my head, "We Gets Up", "Make Your Mama Happy", "Hot Wit U", and "Fascination" also come to mind, but the god-awful appearance of Doug E. Fresh gives "Funky Music" the deciding edge.

There are others, but thankfully not many. And besides, one "Joy In Repetition" or "The Exodus Has Begun" more than makes up for the small percentage of Prince songs that are tripe.

WRONG album when you get a major push.. (possibly you last major push from the big boys)

it sound like it was thrown together in 2 weeks.

* I notice sometimes with Prince when he is doing something for the whole world to see .. he seems to put somthing out flat?? is this on purose? or does he think there is no difference between all his music?

the song 1999..which played all around the world on new years 1999.. was aweful!!! and the worst thing about the concert.. George Clinton was aweful,

wow what a crappy way to be seen everywhere?? makes you look "over".. even though the concert was great!!!??

the crazy thing was that wasn't even live? that 1999 version was in the can for 10 days.

Prince.. start doing the correct stuff on TV.

NO more half ass performances .. or just "off" performances..

NO more R&B videos catering to late 30's crowd too..

SexLovely said

I'm really tired right now, but I'll do my best. For me, Gold is all technique and no feeling. And the emotion is faked. All the songs you mention are just (to me) over produced and air brushed, polished and shined until all the life disappears (except maybe for 'gold'). Funny, but I still think the good songs from Exodus could have formed the heart of a really exceptional album ca '94-5. Funnier still, Rave does have a real emotional centre, "I Love you but I don't trust you...', (amazing!) but you have to go through too much bullshit to reach it. "The Truth" got it all perfect, but hardly anyone knows it exists... But hey, I change my mind about this sorta stuff all the time

Rave In2 should always have been the proper release.

Real Problems with Rave N2:

Prince wanting "mainstrteam" success and $$ during a transitiional period of his beliefs, style, etc.

Clive Davis wanting "mainstrteam" success and $$ during a transitiional period of Prince beliefs, style, marriage etc.

Clive Davis wanting a Prince CD like Santana's "Suprnatural".

L.A. Reid gaining control of Arista (Whitney and Santana supposedly disagreed with Clive's departure).

Prince wanting to do a bit of everything:

Hot with U (too Hip hop)

Fans crying for Linn Drum

Kirk J operating the Linn Drum supposedly
(I know that Prince is using it on "Undisputed Pt 1" and "Wherever U Go".



If You cannot find good

Prince wanting "mainstrteam" success and $$ during a transitiional period of his beliefs, style, etc.


I tend to agree with this, but then again that was two years ago...

I'll be the first to admit that I ran right out and purchased that cd.

Disappointed no, Prince is Prince and you learn to go with the flow, so to speak.

Wolf said:

Prince's 80s material is just about timeless as far as the big picture of modern music is concerned... cocksnot

sag10 said:

Don't forget to flush!

PANDURITO said:

I'm American and a member...I just never check the merchandise section.
Somehow a $20 mousepad isn't 2 tempting.

SexLovely said:[quote]

Nep2nes said:

I like Chaos 4 the same reason..he just rocks and doesn't give a shit. Plus, lots of guitar on that one. I'm really not in2 that electronic crap that is at the 4front of Rave.





I totally fucking agree. There should be at least 4 songs on every album where he takes an extended solo. I don't mean a little twang or 2 between lyrics either...that doesn't count.

And by the way...y hasn't he released "When Eye Lay My Hands On U"!!!???
Talk about a return 2 4m on that song!!! Release it!