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Printablesilverandgold said: superspaceboy said: You don't call a major album release by him with all of this hoopla he created around it only to become recluse shortly after and not promote it's release strange? To me this whole year with the release, promotion, non-promotion, no tour, website shut down, his divorce, Temar's album being shelved and them parting ways...well strange. That's a lot of stuff to just say "oh that's normal" for Prince. Maybe much of it is not in his control, but something has been going down that we don't know about. Ok, let me 'splane: 1) Prince did some shows to promote a new artist (Tamar), which in some shows did include songs from 3121 cd (Vegas, GMA, Butter, Bet Awards afterparty in LA) 2) Some promotion, not a lot of promotion was done for 3121-apparently there was a problem with Universal (Universal did break up in groups few months after Tamar had been signed and Prince made a deal with them for the 3121 cd; 3) Sure there was rumors of a tour for Summer '06, but it wasn't definite. I'm sure there are legitimate reasons why it didn't happen, doesn't mean it won't happen down the road. 4) Prince's website shutdown suddenly - only reasons he could explain-no it wasn't fair that fanclub members weren't given earlier notice, not saying it was right to do it that way, but we'll probably never know the real reason for the closure other than the email sent by the mods explaining to fans the club was on hiatus. 5) Prince's divorce - that's his business, not the fans. 6) Tamar's album shelved - Yes the release date was changed several times, we still don't know if we will be able to purchase it even though certain outlets may have it available in a couple of weeks.remember when Stevie Wonder's album release date changed about 3 times? 7) Tamar and Prince parting ways - Until I see an official report from either artist about it, then I'll believe it. Not saying it didn't happen, but it is not unusual that two artists decide to part ways;doesn't mean she won't perform with Prince again as a special guest, and if true, I'm sure they both agreed for good reasons and will remain friends. Not making excuses for all that happened this year with Prince with what you noted in your post, but in this industry, these things happen. Now as far as the club shutting down suddenly and Prince's divorce, only he knows, only Prince knows why, so it doesn't make any sense trying to figure those two things out. [Edited 8/29/06 18:46pm] Thanks for breaking it down so well. I hope things get resolved soon.  | |
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silverandgold said: superspaceboy said: You don't call a major album release by him with all of this hoopla he created around it only to become recluse shortly after and not promote it's release strange? To me this whole year with the release, promotion, non-promotion, no tour, website shut down, his divorce, Temar's album being shelved and them parting ways...well strange. That's a lot of stuff to just say "oh that's normal" for Prince. Maybe much of it is not in his control, but something has been going down that we don't know about. Ok, let me 'splane a lot of stuff: 
It's still a lot of things to happen in 5 months. Maybe he's not in a strange phase, but strange things are going on and his reactions to some of it have been true to form...but for someone who was poising himself for something big with 3121, all that has happened doesn't jive with how he has acted before during promotion of a new album. You have to admit, there was a big build up to nothing...or almost nothing. Maybe he was in control, maybe not, maybe a little, but whatever is going on has been wierd to me. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: silverandgold said: Ok, let me 'splane a lot of stuff:
It's still a lot of things to happen in 5 months. Maybe he's not in a strange phase, but strange things are going on and his reactions to some of it have been true to form...but for someone who was poising himself for something big with 3121, all that has happened doesn't jive with how he has acted before during promotion of a new album. You have to admit, there was a big build up to nothing...or almost nothing. Maybe he was in control, maybe not, maybe a little, but whatever is going on has been wierd to me. Well maybe you feel like that because at times we forget that he's human just like the rest of us. We tend to forget that sometimes. I just don't feel it was all that strange. Plus I'm sure when he and his wife separated he was going through some things and promotion of cd, tour just wasn't priority for him. I'm sure when all is straightened out he'll hit us with a big tour, well, wishful thinking anyway.  | |
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silverandgold said: superspaceboy said: It's still a lot of things to happen in 5 months. Maybe he's not in a strange phase, but strange things are going on and his reactions to some of it have been true to form...but for someone who was poising himself for something big with 3121, all that has happened doesn't jive with how he has acted before during promotion of a new album. You have to admit, there was a big build up to nothing...or almost nothing. Maybe he was in control, maybe not, maybe a little, but whatever is going on has been wierd to me. Well maybe you feel like that because at times we forget that he's human just like the rest of us. We tend to forget that sometimes. I just don't feel it was all that strange. Plus I'm sure when he and his wife separated he was going through some things and promotion of cd, tour just wasn't priority for him. I'm sure when all is straightened out he'll hit us with a big tour, well, wishful thinking anyway. when prince releases an album ia a label i consider it business...if not he would release it via the net...and as such, i consider this year all sortsa strange... but thats my humble opinion.  Space for sale... | |
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My thought was he hasn't 'forgotten' the people that buy cd's and concert tickets. He shut down the website and not doing concerts because he is being sued and getting a divorce? The more money he makes, the more he has to hand over in the divorce. He already has to hand over too much. Why go on a concert tour only to hand the money over to Mani? Maybe that is why he is renting the house in LA instead of buying it. He would have to split that as well.
Maybe he just wanted to perform without collecting money. But, I hope the site does come back.We would have been informed of the aftershows in LA. | |
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lovebird said: Maybe he just wanted to perform without collecting money. But, I hope the site does come back.We would have been informed of the aftershows in LA. Oh he's collecting money, just not as much from full scheduled tour. | |
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sosgemini said: silverandgold said: Well maybe you feel like that because at times we forget that he's human just like the rest of us. We tend to forget that sometimes. I just don't feel it was all that strange. Plus I'm sure when he and his wife separated he was going through some things and promotion of cd, tour just wasn't priority for him. I'm sure when all is straightened out he'll hit us with a big tour, well, wishful thinking anyway. when prince releases an album ia a label i consider it business...if not he would release it via the net...and as such, i consider this year all sortsa strange... but thats my humble opinion. Ok, well, we're all entitled to our opinion.  | |
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silverandgold said: sosgemini said: when prince releases an album ia a label i consider it business...if not he would release it via the net...and as such, i consider this year all sortsa strange... but thats my humble opinion. Ok, well, we're all entitled to our opinion. co-sign ... so , what is releasing via the net then to be considered ... haggling ? 
The whole music biz is fucked up as a result of drastic changes . New generations are downloading like crazy and i'm not aware if all the major labels have adjusted their selling-machine to this system . MySpace is another yet to be booming area ( mega-sales through that channel have already happened with a new generation female singer ) Many artists already are putting on their websites album-tracks which can be bought individually . It's a new era and selling via the net is defenitely "doing business" , with sometimes even more profits for the artist . And like mentioned earlier , an album from Stevie Wonder is a same example ( the passing away from Syreeta Wright was probably one of the reasons ) same release-story counts for Earth Wind & Fire's latest album . . . . [Edited 8/30/06 7:50am] | |
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100MPH said: silverandgold said: [quote:7b99743def]sosgemini said: [quote:7b99743def]when prince releases an album ia a label i consider it business...if not he would release it via the net...and as such, i consider this year all sortsa strange... but thats my humble opinion. [/quote:7b99743def]
Ok, well, we're all entitled to our opinion. [/quote:7b99743def]
co-sign ... so , what is releasing via the net then to be considered ... haggling ?
The whole music biz is fucked up as a result of drastic changes . New generations are downloading like crazy and i'm not aware if all the major labels have adjusted their selling-machine to this system . MySpace is another yet to be booming area ( mega-sales through that channel have already happened with a new generation female singer ) Many artists already are putting their websites album-tracks which can be bought individually . It's a new era and selling via the net is defenitely "doing business" , with sometimes even more profits for the artist . And like mentioned earlier , an album from Stevie Wonder is a same example ( the passing away from Syreeta Wright was probably one of the reasons ) same release-story counts for Earth Wind & Fire's latest album . . . . [b:7b99743def][Edited 8/30/06 7:44am][/b:7b99743def] yes, selling on the internet can be big business....but its not *big* just yet. prince has the tech and the past experience of releasing "internet" only music...he did it with The Rainbow Children...C-Note...and a couple others...so why did he release Musicology and 3121 via a big label then? just for shits and giggles? come on...the man wanted to reach a larger audience and needed a big label to get the albums on the shelves... and theres nothing wrong with that. Space for sale... | |
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silverandgold said: superspaceboy said: It's still a lot of things to happen in 5 months. Maybe he's not in a strange phase, but strange things are going on and his reactions to some of it have been true to form...but for someone who was poising himself for something big with 3121, all that has happened doesn't jive with how he has acted before during promotion of a new album. You have to admit, there was a big build up to nothing...or almost nothing. Maybe he was in control, maybe not, maybe a little, but whatever is going on has been wierd to me. Well maybe you feel like that because at times we forget that he's human just like the rest of us. We tend to forget that sometimes. I just don't feel it was all that strange. Plus I'm sure when he and his wife separated he was going through some things and promotion of cd, tour just wasn't priority for him. I'm sure when all is straightened out he'll hit us with a big tour, well, wishful thinking anyway. Yep , & an unpredicted plan = more exciting | |
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sosgemini said: yes, selling on the internet can be big business....but its not *big* just yet. prince has the tech and the past experience of releasing "internet" only music...he did it with The Rainbow Children...C-Note...and a couple others...so why did he release Musicology and 3121 via a big label then? just for shits and giggles? come on...the man wanted to reach a larger audience and needed a big label to get the albums on the shelves... and theres nothing wrong with that. Absolutely not . So the "strange" things that have happened might have been a result of things which occured in his private life . But then again maybe because of some specific business matters ... who will know ? Only the man himself , no matter how much is assumed , and it's really not that important after all ... the world won't end . . . . [Edited 8/30/06 8:04am] | |
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100MPH said: sosgemini said: yes, selling on the internet can be big business....but its not *big* just yet. prince has the tech and the past experience of releasing "internet" only music...he did it with The Rainbow Children...C-Note...and a couple others...so why did he release Musicology and 3121 via a big label then? just for shits and giggles? come on...the man wanted to reach a larger audience and needed a big label to get the albums on the shelves... and theres nothing wrong with that. Absolutely not . So the "strange" things that have happened might have been a result of things which occured in his private life . But then again maybe because of some specific business matters ... who will know ? Only the man himself , no matter how much is assumed , and it's really not that important after all ... the world won't end . . . . [Edited 8/30/06 8:04am] well, if we cant assume things about the subject of this forum then maybe we should just look up all the threads.
nahh, seriously though...i think its healthy to ponder these things...after all, discussing such subjects aint the end of the world.  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: 100MPH said: Absolutely not . So the "strange" things that have happened might have been a result of things which occured in his private life . But then again maybe because of some specific business matters ... who will know ? Only the man himself , no matter how much is assumed , and it's really not that important after all ... the world won't end . . . . [Edited 8/30/06 8:04am] well, if we cant assume things about the subject of this forum then maybe we should just look up all the threads.
nahh, seriously though...i think its healthy to ponder these things...after all, discussing such subjects aint the end of the world. Tru , but at least P is still active in the live & release-scene , yet still there seems to be needy wants . I'm a fan of Cameo which released their last joint 6 years ago . They've focussed their activities mainly at live-work instead of constantly composing new work , and that's cool 4 me . Every next release is a welcome gift . . . . [Edited 8/30/06 8:25am] | |
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