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Thread started 08/09/06 7:17pm

TonyVanDam

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IYHO, Which Prince Album Counts As His First Ever F*** Up?

Tell me the name of THAT one Prince album that (in your honest opinion) was a mistake....a disaster waiting to happen....a true WTF kind of a moment....Prince's first ever f*** up?!?
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Reply #1 posted 08/09/06 7:28pm

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Around The World In A Day.

But I'm glad that he did it. It took jumbo balls to kill his new-found fanbase on purpose.
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Reply #2 posted 08/09/06 7:40pm

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squirrelgrease said:

Around The World In A Day.

But I'm glad that he did it. It took jumbo balls to kill his new-found fanbase on purpose.



it went to number one for a few weeks, didn't it? it certainly wasn't the first to miss platinum after purple rain came out.

are we talking artistic screw up or commercial screw up?

cuz commercially, i'd have to say the whole black album/lovesexy debacle was his first screw up. don't get me wrong, i LOVE both albums and i love the "mythology" of camille and spooky electric and all that, but the mainstream music buying public didn't know what the hell was going on other that prince was losing his mind again.

artisticly? probably his films - cherry moon and graffiti bridge.
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Reply #3 posted 08/09/06 7:50pm

sexxydancer

Every Prince album is great,there r no f**k-ups,IMO!
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Reply #4 posted 08/09/06 7:50pm

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Anxiety said:

squirrelgrease said:

Around The World In A Day.

But I'm glad that he did it. It took jumbo balls to kill his new-found fanbase on purpose.



it went to number one for a few weeks, didn't it? it certainly wasn't the first to miss platinum after purple rain came out.


Yeah. It's a favorite LP of mine. But Prince had the cuts in the can to put out Purple Rain Part 2, which many lesser artists would have pushed upon the masses.

It did end up in a lot of used bins.

I'll keep mine, thank you.
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Reply #5 posted 08/09/06 7:59pm

Anxiety

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Anxiety said:




it went to number one for a few weeks, didn't it? it certainly wasn't the first to miss platinum after purple rain came out.


Yeah. It's a favorite LP of mine. But Prince had the cuts in the can to put out Purple Rain Part 2, which many lesser artists would have pushed upon the masses.

It did end up in a lot of used bins.

I'll keep mine, thank you.


i saw ATWIAD in a lot of cut-out bins a few years after it came out (which is how i got my copy on CD for five bucks, thank you very much), but i haven't seen it in many used CD bins. that's more for the symbol album, mucousology, etc. there's always a copy of come at my local wrecka stow for two bucks. sigh
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Reply #6 posted 08/09/06 8:35pm

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Anxiety said:

squirrelgrease said:

Around The World In A Day.

But I'm glad that he did it. It took jumbo balls to kill his new-found fanbase on purpose.



it went to number one for a few weeks, didn't it? it certainly wasn't the first to miss platinum after purple rain came out.

are we talking artistic screw up or commercial screw up?

cuz commercially, i'd have to say the whole black album/lovesexy debacle was his first screw up. don't get me wrong, i LOVE both albums and i love the "mythology" of camille and spooky electric and all that, but the mainstream music buying public didn't know what the hell was going on other that prince was losing his mind again.

artisticly? probably his films - cherry moon and graffiti bridge.



Artistic f*** ups is the main point of this thread. Commercial f*** ups are too easy to notice on Billboard! lol
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Reply #7 posted 08/09/06 10:09pm

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I really don't like For You or The Rainbow Children, but
calling them "F*** Ups" seems a little extreme confused
If you will, so will I
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Reply #8 posted 08/09/06 10:33pm

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Possibly Graffiti Bridge--it was really the movie that was the fuck up--if the album had been released without a movie it may have been better. It's hard to seperate the awfulness of the movie from the album...

Otherwise Emancipation. pooptoast


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Reply #9 posted 08/10/06 12:27am

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TonyVanDam said:

Tell me the name of THAT one Prince album that (in your honest opinion) was a mistake....a disaster waiting to happen....a true WTF kind of a moment....Prince's first ever f*** up?!?

controversy? razz its got some classic and pricless prince moments on it. but i feel it was to manic and he looked like colonel saunders on the cover and in some videos






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Reply #10 posted 08/10/06 12:49am

coolcat

Diamonds and Pearls... first prince album I didn't like.
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Reply #11 posted 08/10/06 1:11am

TonyVanDam

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Christopher said:

TonyVanDam said:

Tell me the name of THAT one Prince album that (in your honest opinion) was a mistake....a disaster waiting to happen....a true WTF kind of a moment....Prince's first ever f*** up?!?

controversy? razz its got some classic and pricless prince moments on it. but i feel it was to manic and he looked like colonel saunders on the cover and in some videos








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Reply #12 posted 08/10/06 1:21am

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Only 3 good songs on THIS album: Le Grind, Cindy C, & When 2 R In Love.

Everything else is a total waste. Maybe this was part of the reason why the album was never release in 1987. Even when I had the free bootleg cassette, I was not happy with THIS album at all!
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Reply #13 posted 08/10/06 2:26am

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Reply #14 posted 08/10/06 4:23am

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IMO his first and ONLY was the aptly titled "Chaos and disorder"
I got it as a gift so the price was right lol
EVERY other album he's made has had at least 4-5 songs on it that I love.
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Reply #15 posted 08/10/06 6:13am

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TonyVanDam said:



Only 3 good songs on THIS album: Le Grind, Cindy C, & When 2 R In Love.

Everything else is a total waste. Maybe this was part of the reason why the album was never release in 1987. Even when I had the free bootleg cassette, I was not happy with THIS album at all!
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I listen to ALL the tracks intensely except for when 2 R in Love. more listens then ANY other Prince album.
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Reply #16 posted 08/10/06 6:50am

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"Around The World The Day" was his first fuck up. It's a great album but releasing it during that time was a real fuck up. "Parade" was his second and even worse fuck up. "Sign O The Times" was the third fuck up because it let people know that after three artsy/fartsy albums, Prince was not just going through a weird phase. Hardcore Prince was gone forever and artsy/fartsy Prince was here to stay. With each album, his original audience dropped off little by little and was replaced by a new audience.
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Reply #17 posted 08/10/06 9:09am

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His first mistake was For You, and then it all went downhill from there.

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Reply #18 posted 08/10/06 10:16am

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only f ups are when he DOESNT release as much as he can
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Reply #19 posted 08/10/06 10:22am

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TonyVanDam said:



Only 3 good songs on THIS album: Le Grind, Cindy C, & When 2 R In Love.

Everything else is a total waste. Maybe this was part of the reason why the album was never release in 1987. Even when I had the free bootleg cassette, I was not happy with THIS album at all!
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Whatever... Rock Hard In A Funky Place is just incredible!
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Reply #20 posted 08/10/06 10:42am

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"Around the World in a Day" - Killed the momentum he was building... I remember the premiere of "Rasberry Beret" the 1st release from the new album after Purple Rain. My heart sank... "What the fuck did he do 2 his hair?... r those clouds on his outfit?..." I had alotta explaining to do at school the next day to the people i converted from Purple Rain... most lost interest. We all love ATWIAD as I do, but it did "kill" a hella of alot of his new fan base he created with PR... This was indeed the 1st f*** up... He should of locked in his new fan base and then released ATWIAD... like i said, "Around the World in a Day" - Killed the momentum he was building... but i Adore the album.
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Reply #21 posted 08/10/06 10:53am

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I think ATWIAD was risky, but it wasn't an f-up. It had a handful of radio-friendly songs, and the single selection was great (remember the days when singles made sense?). He could have put out Around the World in a Day – Polka Selections from the East Side of Minneapolis after Purple Rain and probably have been okay. The time to take big risks is after big successes, I think.

I think Grafitti Bridge (the film) was the first galactic f-up of his career. While Under the Cherry Moon may have been panned, at least the production value was okay and he was trying something new. To try to make Purple Rain II with cheesier sets than Tom and Jerry was a big, big mistake. It looked like it was filmed on a soundstage, and not in a good way.
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Reply #22 posted 08/10/06 10:55am

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Prince only has great music-no fuck ups! smile
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Reply #23 posted 08/10/06 10:59am

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ocadv said:

"Around the World in a Day" - Killed the momentum he was building... I remember the premiere of "Rasberry Beret" the 1st release from the new album after Purple Rain. My heart sank... "What the fuck did he do 2 his hair?...


I absolutely loved the hair. Actually, it's my favorite hairstyle that he's sported over the years. It was the style of music from that album that pissed me off.


We all love ATWIAD as I do, but it did "kill" a hella of alot of his new fan base he created with PR... This was indeed the 1st f*** up... He should of locked in his new fan base and then released ATWIAD... like i said, "Around the World in a Day" - Killed the momentum he was building... but i Adore the album.


It pissed off a lot of the old fans since the days of "I Wanna Be Your Lover" also. I totally agree though. Within a few weeks of "Around The World In A Day"'s release, I liked the entire album. However, it was a different kind of "like" than the albums before. The albums before, I absolutely "loved". Those albums before, especially "Dirty Mind" through "Purple Rain" were my idea of absolute perfection and you don't mess with perfection when it's working. I was having a good time with the albums that followed but I was having an absolute ball with the ones before. The general public simply wasn't having it period with the late 1980s albums except for a song here and there.

The perfect time for "Around The World In A Day" and the complete style change would have been around 1989 or 1990.
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Reply #24 posted 08/10/06 11:01am

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Under the Cherry Moon, but that's a movie.

I'd say Batman. It was decent, but nowhere near as great as it could & shold have been. It had a built in audience, automatically went to #1 because of the movie, potentially bringing Prince back from the Lovesexy sales doldrums (and still it kind of did), but soon after the movie hype died down it was filling the bins at the used record store because it just wasn't all that people knew Prince was capable of.

A cool, dark, Prince-sounding record, just a bit simple & underdeveloped.
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Reply #25 posted 08/10/06 11:03am

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coolcat said:

Diamonds and Pearls... first prince album I didn't like.


personally, and purely from an artistic standpoint, I might pick this as well. It really felt like Prince was pandering for the first time, and his style had disappeared among the smooth production & session musicians.
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Reply #26 posted 08/10/06 12:57pm

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The 'Batman' soundtrack started off a succession of poor albums. The Gold Experience/Come period got him back on track for a while.
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Reply #27 posted 08/10/06 1:43pm

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goosebumps said:

The 'Batman' soundtrack started off a succession of poor albums. The Gold Experience/Come period got him back on track for a while.


The one way I think the Batman soundtrack is really good is lyrically. Seems having characters he could relate to himself kind of inspired Prince. But the music is kind of thin.
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Reply #28 posted 08/10/06 1:51pm

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Probably Graffiti Bridge. Too cluttered and inconsistent. The Black album didn't come out until 94, fortunately. I love the sound of that record and the arrangements but the songs just don't cut it. He was right to scrap it.
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Reply #29 posted 08/10/06 1:57pm

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goosebumps said:

The 'Batman' soundtrack started off a succession of poor albums. The Gold Experience/Come period got him back on track for a while.


The one way I think the Batman soundtrack is really good is lyrically. Seems having characters he could relate to himself kind of inspired Prince. But the music is kind of thin.

To me the album is full of filler, but I do like The Future, Vicki Waiting and Electric Chair. It was such a disapointment after Lovesexy.I couldn't believe he was doing a soundtrack to a mainstream film. I'd rather he had done something else. But I do acknowledge the dark/light- Batman/Joker element he was trying too achieve like the Black Album/Lovesexy subject.
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