That's it, eat it up!

thanks Boob a licious, it was much more delicious than the ass sandwhich Prince has been serving us

Hey! If Prince supposedly comes on this site, you shouldn't right bad stuff like that about him. I bet you all hurt his feelings!

Hurts him so much that he crys out another slow jam

Oh my Lord. tag yourself BLACKMF and then use the adjective fag...there's a whole issue you have to deal wit yo'self...brutha? Or not? How about a brain time fo' u ansa.

Wish I was a fag, then at least I'd know how to wear peach proper.

NOt for me to determine anything about Prince. I am simply suggesting that he has gone downhill since Lovesexy. TRC is a wonderful thing, but it's not Lovesexy. Gold Experience was a wonedrful thing, but not Lovesexy...What I'm saying is that Lovesexy was the last time the world listened to Prince, instead of Prince listening to the world...I mean, Lovesexy and then Graffiti Bridge...who was chasing what?

Slightly different topic, if it was all about the music, why aren't the gold discs in the basement? Why are they still on the wall? If it was just about the music then where are Lisa and Wendy, where's Matt Fink and Eric Leeds? Is it really about music anymore, or just a figurehead that pumps out tunes? Please prove me wrong...or, go 'head, call me a fag...you'll be insulting noone...cos I cool in pink.

When the only response you can come up with why Prince is going downhill (or over a cliff imo) is..

ur a pussy

Need we say more. The proof is in the most recent releases and even his live stuff. I look at my NYC cd and almost half of the songs are not even his songs.???

get off your ass and jam (she loves me 4 me, wtf)

BoySimon said:

The last time the world was listening to Prince was when "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" was popular. If the Gold Experience and TRC are "wonderful" than why complain? And since you care that much what "the world" thinks there are always other performers much more popular within the zeitgeist that you can latch onto.


There is no right or wrong in something as subjective as forming an opinion of an artistic endeavor, don't fool yourself. Leeds, Fink, Wendy & Lisa are doing just fine. We're 4 1/2 months away from 2003, it's time to move on from the purple trench coat, bikini briefs, and black swede boots of Rude Boy and realize that he's almost in his mid-40s, become independent of major label conglomerates and; grown in a different direction than the one "the world" would like him to be forever frozen in.
[This message was edited Fri Aug 9 20:33:12 PDT 2002 by Supernova]

Around the world in a day and parade were both the start of the end for Prince.

Supernova: that's cool, but the word is that Prince actually does care about the Billboard...no matter what he says. The reason why I feel let down by P over the past few years is that the music he puts out is not defining any longer...not that that's a bad thing...it has, mostly, been superb to listen to...but this guy was the future, this guy was the "new Mozart", this guy held the world in his hand.

Wendy and Lisa are a whole other category...what other muse has been as inspirational? Mayte? CD II Emancipation is "nice", but is it Parade? Is it 1985/86? not really...well, not in my opinion...for what that's worth is nowt.

The word about P and Billboard ... nearly every journalist/biographer that has a chance to sit in a speak to him... On the other hand, if Jehovah has really enlightened him, then it may all be cool and he may be only concerned with saving himself...sho'not enough room for me in their 144,000 souls...which brings us back to Lovesexy...does it not?

Prince believed then. In himself, in his music. Today, I'm not so sure. By Christ, it still sounds fantastic: but is it being played from the heart or the head? In the past there was no question, now there is, to me, and - hence - at the end of this dirge, I would suggest, still, that as a consequence of his head ruling, Prince has gone downhill.

jthad...? who? lick it.

BoySimon said:

I agree... Actually, his peak was Purple Rain and his creativity and power waned and washed out by 1989...

BoySimon said:

In the same way that any MOR drivel put out in the 90s is "worthy"

That's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it. But in my opinion there isn't one 90s Prince album that comes close to TRC musically. The Truth, although totally different, is worthy of merit and comes close. I'm not concerned about his popularity.

Every recording artist wants their music to sell, although a small percentage of them will not pander artistically to sell. Thematically and lyrically for Prince it took balls to release an album like TRC. If you don't understand what I mean, well, maybe you will years from now in retrospect. But that's another thread.

Some people harp on whether or not he's innovative, but that's counterproductive and rather silly. NO ONE is innovative for every single release of their recording career when they produce as much music as Prince. It's humanly impossible. There's also this ethos that only innovative music is good, which is total crap. There is black, there is white, and there are a lot of brilliant colors in between.

Personally, I had quit even paying attention to Prince for a while during the last decade, because he was on cruise control and didn't seem to care. I used to see new a new Prince release in record store, and not give it a second look - he became a FAT CAT, and not much he created was holding my attention. Lately he seems to have awaken a part of himself that was languishing in the status quo for a looong time.

Prince is competing with the legacy he created. In my opinion it's a legacy that, among anyone outside of jazz, and since Hendrix's death, only he is capable of reclaiming.

adorable2 said:

But he HAS gone downhill. I still love his music (I'm listening to "I Wanna Be Your Lover" as we speak). I've given everything he's put out since Batman a fair chance and it never shows the integrity that he had in the 80s.

You've completely concocted that assumption yourself. Why? Seek therapy and ask.


Who's talking about $uccess? It just so happens that his fame and fortune peaked when he most deserved it. He still got a huge contract in the 90s, but he turned out pure garbage ("Pop Daddy, Daddy Pop" )

We're talking about actual innovation, creativity, ingenuity, resilience, etc. clearly represented in albums like Prince, Dirty Mind, 1999, etc. NOT in Gold Experience, Emancipation, Rave, ect.

Xtreme: worthy in that more interesting that most other artist's music of the time...huge generalisation I know, but hey...that's the way, etc. I'd rather listen to song like Shy or Papa or even When U love Somebody than most other records...but then so many other bands came along and robbed him of his kudos...see the drummer from Blur scrawing "Dave" onj his face at the Brits...What I wouldn't give for Prince to call W&L and say, "Let's make an album".

Supernova: I sort of see where you're coming from, Prince's hiatus came at the end of 1988, but just because the popularity waned...something I'm certain he hated/hates, didn't meran that the quality of the music had to. As you say, he sleptwalked thru the 90's, playing around with trends and fashions he hadn't started, but with TRC he has created something worth listening to. The JW thang is a real barrier, not because it disrupts the music, but because it is in contest with everything that Lovesexy represents and is a minimalist religion, whereas Prince of yesterday had been all inclusive. That said, the music is cool. Now, I am not a member of the NPGMC, so I cannot comment on other new stuff he is doing, but if it stands next to TRC then great...maybe he is reawakening...but. at the heart of it all is the young Minneapolitan who wants another number one hit single...bet you all the money in my world.

Prince is still Prince, he's still funky! He has changed a bit, but everyone does, he just has a new style, and no matter what, Prince will always rock!

Prince is still Prince, he's still funky! He has changed a bit, but everyone does, he just has a new style, and no matter what, Prince will always rock!

Wolf said:

AMEN!

Love4oneanother84 said:

Amen to this one too!

i'm with boysimon and extreme on this. the last great album prince put out was "lovesexy". go ahead, attack me for it. but remember: i'm not attacking anyone for liking prince, i'm stating my own opinions about his music and how it no longer seems as relevant, wonderful, dynamic and inspired as his 80s work.

boob, no shit sandwiches. silly thing.

"uh, what are you still doing at the org if you don't like prince?" silly question, which often gets asked when somebody dares to say they don't listen to TRC 3 times before breakfast. i like discussing prince is all. i still like prince, i listen to him more than any other artist.

lots of his 90s work does not speak to me, there has been such a drastic drop in quality it's heartbreaking. as eric leeds once said, prince started to sound very derivative in the 90s, chasing rap, hip hop, r&b, etc. it's a crying shame.

i care enough about the man's music to wade through and pick out the occasional goodie- "space", "lettitgo", "goodbye", "mad sex", "wasted kisses", "joint 2 joint", "white mansion", "somebody's somebody", and quite a few others. but i find that listening to prince's 90s work i am often bracing myself for the dreadful bits. i sit there cringing at the clumsy lyrics, the horrible arrangements, the bad rapping, the lines that don't scan well.. "wedding feast" anyone? how about that song on "the truth" where he talks about the girl sending him a used condom in the mail. "baby, that was wrong". what a vile and idiotic image.

just seems that i can listen to "dirty mind" to "lovesexy" inclusive and the man doesn't put a foot wrong. it all fits, i understand the musical language he was talking then and it still blows me away. the whole darn mess of his 80s work doesn't sound much like any other music ever made to me, oh of course there are reference points and influences, but when i listen to peaktime prince i sit in wonder and say "what *is* this stuff? where did it come from?"

bye then.

BoySimon said:

I don't necessarily know if he wants a #1 single, but ultimately he wants his albums to sell. The JW belief doesn't bother me any more than when he said he wanted to fuck the taste out of Marcia's mouth, or sang about an incestuous relationship with his sister 22 years ago.

RELIGION!!!

I'm in the minority when I say this, but that's ok; I think Lovesexy is the most overrated Prince album among all his diehard fans. I never saw it as a top 5 album in his catalog in 1988, and in 2002 I still don't. Had he not publicly hob-knobbed with the Org's most famous JW whipping post Larry Graham, there's a good chance that most of you wouldn't even know he was incorporating that specific religion into his belief system, and in turn wouldn't know what he was singing about, aside from the obvious belief in Christ...(in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son...).

He's not 30 anymore like he was in 1988. From a young age like that till we reach 44 some of our customs and beliefs might change too. Whatever the case, we will not be the exact same people we were at 30 than we are at 44. If we get that far.

CHANGE??? ME???

And then there are those who just want his name to appear on the pop charts all the time, while he makes the most high profile videos. Bragging rights. They're looking for the nostalgia of their youth. I get the feeling he could make another rote, conventional, sappy record like TMBGITW and many Prince fans would jump for joy simply because it's a big hit - on the pop charts. But they'll say otherwise, of course.

Love4oneanother84 said:

what were the names?

BoySimon said:

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN...after dancing the DANCE ELECTRIC, I truly have a CONDITION OF THE HEART.

As long as U ACKNOWLEDGEd ME, THE TRUTH is I FEEL FOR U, if U don't think his music is COOL since LS.

WELCOME TO THE DAWN, matter of fact I did say alot, I ADORE his music. HELLO - NOW just take a look at all the many great songs. It would take U ALL DAY, ALL NIGHT. I FEEL FOR U if you don't. PLAY IN THE SUNSHINE and find hundreds of tunes! U got to PARTY UP dude! I think it is rather CRUCIAL to say the least, that you ignore so many gems!

UH-HUH oh yeah! Funky to COOL! WHY, and how could anyone not think there are tons of greats!

hmmm...



SO don't stay out in the PURPLE RAIN, go AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY, before you know it it will be 2020. Bring on the 200 BALLOONS, be a PARTYMAN. It isn't 1999 anymore.

2MORROW is another day. My 3rd EYE tells me you will c that everyone is looking for GRAFFITI BRIDGE.

FOR YOU to say that about is a MILLION MILES from what I feel, But I still WISH YOU HEAVEN!

So, don't be DELIRIOUS, listen to some more, QUESTION OF U.

PEACE!

What amazes me is that when prince was commercially successful and had Millions of fans, I would ask those fans about certain songs that they loved, and they had no clue as to what the songs were saying, for example. Little red corvette, most thought it was about a automobile. Always in my hair, they thought it was about someone that got on his nerve, If I was your girlfriend, they thought he was saying that he was gay. Why? probaly because they don't listen, they jump on the wagon and ride until the driver says get off.(Prince was not the driver) Well the driver said get off and now prince is supposed to nolonger be any good. That is BS. I don't think he has changed that much, I love every album he has made. some are better than others, but in general they all are good. I think that one of the greatest records he has made is the symbol album, and most of you say you hate it. I love New Power Soul, And I don't care what any of you say, Batman is a dope record, Diamonds and Pearls is great, Rave is not high on the List for me but it was OK. And the Special Edition of Rave is off the Hook. I really don't understand what you all are talking about, There is no one in the industry today that can stand on the same stage with Prince, His worst record is better than their best. Now you don't have to take my word for it, Ask Jimmy Jam, Najee, George Clinton, Quincy Jones, Winton Marceles, People who are at the top of their field will all tell you How great Prince is, and they should know becausethey are artist and they compare there work to prince and no one else. Also Emancipation is the record that I would have with me if I was on a Deserted Island with nothing but a lifetime supply of batteries and a CD player. Thank you very much.

Prince sees like millions upon millions of dollars per year in publishing royalties. He has had like what, 15 years of straight hits? His songs, as well as his sense of style, etc, are now a part of pop culture forever.

So,basically he's done his thing. He's PROVEN himself. Now dude wants to just play music that he enjoys and he's "fallen off'?

It's not about hits! There are plenty of Jerkins and Neptunes singles out right now if "hits" are what one is looking for.

I question the sanity of people who expect a Prince hit in 2002.

They're sort of like the same people who say assinine things like "when's the last time KRS-ONE had a hit" as if his entire body of work and contribution to the culture wasn't enough. It's like "Branford Marsalis fell off"...man, PLEASE. These are usually the words of non-musicians. Because if they came to play they'd have their ass HANDED to them by someone who has DECADES of experience playing.

The "hits" game is for newcomers and spectators. MUSIC is not a game. It's art. It's art that takes skill and, to some degree, a level of sophistication and appreciation that you get when you move beyond your radio.

dml said:

So, you think he really prefers crap like "Pussy Control," "Sex in the Summer," "So Far, So Pleased" to "Little Red Corvette," "When Doves Cry," "Adore, "Alphabet St.??

it is the hyping of music that makes both artists and listeners slaves to the music industry .. The reason why i keep loving everything prince releases is because he now makes the music he wants to make, without huge budgets to promote .. those who are willing to discover and are willing to listen are always out there and will always find a way to get the music they want .. so respect what prince is doing, even if you, just like me, are not into the jehovah crap .. respect the man for his right to be free and do whatever he wants to do!!

AMEN!!

DJ Le Freak

tiger2 said:

LOL!!! Well said!
[This message was edited Sat Aug 10 5:27:50 PDT 2002 by Xtreme]

DJLeFreak said:

I don't think this self-indulgent, bubble gum, suryp takes much will and effort for the average zombie to accept.