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PrintableRavedIn2 said:[quote] joeycoco said: Let me break it down for you. In Europe it's usually general admission, no seats directly in front of the stage. Last Prince concert (general admission) I attended in Europe in '98 cost me $40 and for that price one could end up either 10 feet away from the stage or all the way in the back of the concert hall. IMO good seats should be for those who actually put some effort in buying tickets (getting up early, waiting in line for hours and hours) and then the same shit when you go to a concert. Those are the folks that really want to be there and willing to take the day off and sacrifice something, not those who join a stupid club and pay $100. It shouldn't be about how much money you're willing to spend, that's easy, it should be about what you're willing to do for good "seats". No, I don't agree with having to jump through hoops or "suffer" for a good seat. I feel that anyone who pays $200 for a seat should be guaranteed a good seat.
 The thing being said was that the good seats are supposed to be for the fans, yet in Prince's case it's just a matter of who joined the club and who didn't. (though it makes perfect sense to Prince ofcourse) It's a financial issue rather than devotion and that's not the difference between a fan and the casual concert attendee. I can already see the day comin' that Prince will auction off the first 5 rows on ebay.  | |
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I paid 23.50 Euros to see the double feature concert of Ani DiFranco AND 'The world's greatest funk saxofonist ever!' MACEO PARKER, and that was the regular price!
I doubt anyone would pay more than 50 Euros for Prince these days in Europe, because people aren't that aware of his re-found trust in his instrumental abilities, and see him more or less as an 80s icon than a world class musician. So called "top acts" like Madonna or The Rolling Stones surely can afford ticket prices of 100,- Euros and more, but they are the exception. The average person earns 1100-1500 Euros per month, I guess - so I really can't imagine sold out concerts (not even for an audience of 500 persons or less), at least not when they aren't in Munich, Berlin or Cologne... @ Prince: Why don't u ask Mr Parker, how much fun he (and his band) had to perform at the 'Zeltival' in Karlsruhe, Germany, while everyone 'only' paid 23.50 Euros admission fee? I think the audience is worth reasonable ticket prices... __________________________
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Antony7 said: People will pay. I don't know where this judgement that Europeans won't pay more comes from.
People in the UK will easily pay £50/£60 per ticket, which is the pounds sterling equivalent of the US prices. People pay more than £50 to see Robbie Williams and he is just an overrated cabaret singer. Irrelevant. Robbie Williams' fanbase is large enough to sustain such a thing, simple as that. And £ 50 is still a long way from $ 100 - $ 125. Before Prince con tour in Europe, he has to find a promotor. And if he has exorbitant wishes, no (or few) promotors are going to risk investing in this tour. Plus: no record company backing (often) means: no money for promotion. As far as prices of old concerts: I remember seeing an ad a couple of years ago for a "culture" supplement to a magazine or a newspaper and they had this heap of concert tickets etc. One of them was for the Parade tour in Brussels in 1986. The ticket was something like 450 BEF, i.e. $11 in current money. The price of the TOURBOOK on the ONA tour was $20, IIRC. Talk about obscene... © Bart Van Hemelen
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Anachronist said: I paid 23.50 Euros to see the double feature concert of Ani DiFranco AND 'The world's greatest funk saxofonist ever!' MACEO PARKER, and that was the regular price!
@ Prince: Why don't u ask Mr Parker, how much fun he (and his band) had to perform at the 'Zeltival' in Karlsruhe, Germany, while everyone 'only' paid 23.50 Euros admission fee? I think the audience is worth reasonable ticket prices... Ani's latest disc, a 2-CD set in a unique digipak-style packaging with a thick booklet was sold for less than the price of 2 midprice CDs. It wasn't released on a major label, and was distributed by an independent company. Yet I saw it in all kinds of record stores. Fugazi have been releasing CDs independently (and even handle their publishing independently) for prices that are just above midprice. If you order from them directly, it's $12 / CD, shipping & handling included, IIRC. They also keep the tickets to their concerts really low. Canadian label Constellation release CDs independently, yet I find them in all decent record stores for a price that's usually lower than the average CD price. They also do mail order: $10 / CD in the US, $13 international -- see: http://www.cstrecords.com...order.html That's at least THREE examples of artists / labels that have a far smaller audience than Prince yet manage to survive outside of the major label system, and charge LESS for CDs which are easy to find in decent record shops (and if there isn't one near you, you can mail order them for a low price from them directly). Funny how these things never get "discussed" at NPGMC, and instead we see ridiculous posts about how Prince deserves money from AOL's annual profits because these profits come from people who download (his) music for free. Funny how Prince STILL cannot run a business decently after nearly a decade's experience and countless tips/suggestions from fans. Funny how he -- with a much larger potential audience -- needs to charge ridiculous prices for CDs and cocnerts, yet these truely independent artists (which make challenging music) manage to survive quite fine. © Bart Van Hemelen
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joeycoco said: Paisley said: joeycoco said: Paisley said: Y should it matter what price the tickets r, if ur really a fan "fam" money shouldn't matter!
Whatever and like I said before, not everyone going to a Prince concert is a die hard fan. Then y go and c him if u really dont like him that much? it's usually people like u who get the good seats that r suppose 2 go 2 the REAL fans! Let me break it down for you. In Europe it's usually general admission, no seats directly in front of the stage. Last Prince concert (general admission) I attended in Europe in '98 cost me $40 and for that price one could end up either 10 feet away from the stage or all the way in the back of the concert hall. IMO good seats should be for those who actually put some effort in buying tickets (getting up early, waiting in line for hours and hours) and then the same shit when you go to a concert. Those are the folks that really want to be there and willing to take the day off and sacrifice something, not those who join a stupid club and pay $100. It shouldn't be about how much money you're willing to spend, that's easy, it should be about what you're willing to do for good "seats". Anyway, I was about 40ft away from the stage and right next to me were two guys who only knew a few of his hits, but just wanted to see the big 80's icon in concert. That's just an example, but it's true that most of the people that night weren't hardcore fans. The easiest way to see that with your own eyes is to check out how many people actually end up going to the afterparty. Hell the summer '98 concert I also attended I took a friend with me, who's not even close to being a fan, still we ended up having good spots and got in the club for an aftershow with a 1,000 ticket limit. Very few people that showed up didn't get in and there were about 8-10 times more people at the concert. In '95 it cost me less than $30 to get a good spot fans in the US would end up paying $100-$125 for. Sure tickets in Europe have gotten more expensive in recent years, but not that expensive. Damn eye'm scared of u please dont beat my ass! LOL | |
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Paisley said: Damn eye'm scared of u please dont beat my ass! LOL theC You better be scared of the niners in november.They are gonna beat that ass  | |
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Paisley said:[quote] joeycoco said: Damn eye'm scared of u please dont beat my ass! LOL How typical. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Antony7 said: People will pay. I don't know where this judgement that Europeans won't pay more comes from.
People in the UK will easily pay £50/£60 per ticket, which is the pounds sterling equivalent of the US prices. People pay more than £50 to see Robbie Williams and he is just an overrated cabaret singer. Irrelevant. Robbie Williams' fanbase is large enough to sustain such a thing, simple as that. And £ 50 is still a long way from $ 100 - $ 125. Before Prince con tour in Europe, he has to find a promotor. And if he has exorbitant wishes, no (or few) promotors are going to risk investing in this tour. Plus: no record company backing (often) means: no money for promotion. As far as prices of old concerts: I remember seeing an ad a couple of years ago for a "culture" supplement to a magazine or a newspaper and they had this heap of concert tickets etc. One of them was for the Parade tour in Brussels in 1986. The ticket was something like 450 BEF, i.e. $11 in current money. The price of the TOURBOOK on the ONA tour was $20, IIRC. Talk about obscene...  He lives. | |
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Antony7 said: People will pay. I don't know where this judgement that Europeans won't pay more comes from.
In the UK we pay twice as much as the US for everything. Prince is a living legend. He isn't a manufactured pop act. People expect to pay more for quality. I paid well over £40 for my New Power Soul ticket in 1998 and so did the rest of Wembley Arena which was full to capacity. People in the UK will easily pay £50/£60 per ticket, which is the pounds sterling equivalent of the US prices. People pay more than £50 to see Robbie Williams and he is just an overrated cabaret singer. I would NEVER pay that much to see ANYONE... never mind a fucking millionaire... are u crazy? Tours are for the FANS, if he has such incredible overheads, then he is the one who should absorb the cost.. not us. | |
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joeycoco said: IMO good seats should be for those who actually put some effort in buying tickets (getting up early, waiting in line for hours and hours) and then the same shit when you go to a concert. Those are the folks that really want to be there and willing to take the day off and sacrifice something, not those who join a stupid club and pay $100. It shouldn't be about how much money you're willing to spend, that's easy, it should be about what you're willing to do for good "seats". I disagree. Being able to slack off all day in a line should not be the determining factor of getting good seats to a concert, for Prince or anybody else. If paying a higher price for the ticket gets you the seats you desire I think that's more than fair. Because for the most part, it's the die-hard fans that will spend that type of money. And as far as Prince fans go, the majority of them are not 18 years old with nothing else better to do. Besides it's fucked up when you do stand in line for hours and then people let friends cut in line or you lose your spot because you had to use the restroom. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: joeycoco said: IMO good seats should be for those who actually put some effort in buying tickets (getting up early, waiting in line for hours and hours) and then the same shit when you go to a concert. Those are the folks that really want to be there and willing to take the day off and sacrifice something, not those who join a stupid club and pay $100. It shouldn't be about how much money you're willing to spend, that's easy, it should be about what you're willing to do for good "seats". I disagree. Being able to slack off all day in a line should not be the determining factor of getting good seats to a concert, for Prince or anybody else. If paying a higher price for the ticket gets you the seats you desire I think that's more than fair. Because for the most part, it's the die-hard fans that will spend that type of money. And as far as Prince fans go, the majority of them are not 18 years old with nothing else better to do. Besides it's fucked up when you do stand in line for hours and then people let friends cut in line or you lose your spot because you had to use the restroom. You do realise that what you say above contradicts the Celebration concept, right (taking 7+ days off = losing income from work plus spending holidays on this ego event without having any idea whether it's worth it). © Bart Van Hemelen
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jayenell said: mmm How much was that Paard van Troje concert. Was it not like 12,50 (guilders)?
It depended on what you looked like and what you were willing to do to get in... And that's no joke. Some people were charged 50 guilders (about $20) some 100 guilders, others 10 guilders and some got a purple "Lovesexy" wristband so they could get in for free, but that was mainly for employees and their partners or whoever they brought with them, and yet others (mainly blond hot chicks) were allowed to get in for free if they went down on one of the security dudes at the door or just flashed their boobs... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Antony7 said: I paid well over £40 for my New Power Soul ticket in 1998 and so did the rest of Wembley Arena which was full to capacity. For real? I am sure I paid between £25 and £30 for my ticket (bought through Wembley Box Office with a booking fee). Who'd you buy yours off, a tout?Just somewhere in the middle,
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