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Reply #30 posted 08/25/06 12:56pm

sacredwarrior

ooh yeah Imago.... ooh yeah.

" the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below.
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Reply #31 posted 08/25/06 2:36pm

Imago

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Reply #32 posted 08/25/06 3:37pm

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Where does that leave "Under A Cherry Moon"?
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Reply #33 posted 08/25/06 5:40pm

2the9s

Alright, fuck this shit, someone look up the word "Apologue" right now!

I'm callin' you out, Imago!
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Reply #34 posted 08/25/06 6:47pm

Imago

2the9s said:

Alright, fuck this shit, someone look up the word "Apologue" right now!

I'm callin' you out, Imago!



What? THere's a new bollywood movie coming out with that title in it. shrug
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Reply #35 posted 08/25/06 6:49pm

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*feels smart for having an expanded vocabulary*

geek
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Reply #36 posted 08/25/06 7:04pm

2the9s

Imago said:

2the9s said:

Alright, fuck this shit, someone look up the word "Apologue" right now!

I'm callin' you out, Imago!



What? THere's a new bollywood movie coming out with that title in it. shrug


Oh HELL yeah!!

woot!
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Reply #37 posted 08/26/06 1:41am

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All very expressive and entertaining... but unfortunately totally wrong, and
based on a misconception that Camille is female. The Camille persona was always
male, right from the start.
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Reply #38 posted 08/26/06 1:58am

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Imago said:

Sign ‘O’ The Times is both an Apologue of moral behavior as well as an affectively sagacious metaphor for homo-erotic experimentation - A commentary by AsianBomb777.




The Smiths had the Queen is dead, the Cure had Disintegration, and Paris Hilton had Paris. All great artists release that one album that will forever define the musical careers, and shape the landscape of their future albums—that one album that raises the bar so high they never seem to capture the moment ever again.

For Prince, for better or worse, that album is Sign ‘o’ The Times. A Messy, sprawling, self-indulgent, orgy of sound that triumphs in it’s brashness and brilliance as much as it stimulates the libido, and, concomitantly, the intellect. Where Morrissey ponders his self-loathing, self-pitying sexual frustrations with same-sex overtones, Prince strokes the penis of another man while playing the girl—and makes you love it! One could never imagine “Frankly Mr. Shankly” ever exposing homo-erotic yearnings nearly as brilliantly as Prince’s “IT” or “If I was Ur Girlfriend”, while turning the tables around and doing it through a supposed female embodiment of his alter-ego, Cammille. Prince wants his cunnilingus to mean something to his lesbian lover in ways that Morrissey could never understand, and probably be hospitalized if he were to receive visuals of such feasts.

But the buck does not stop for Prince with just the sexual. Through the entire experience of Sing ‘o’ The Times, there is a certain sense that yes—this man will definitely play with another man’s penis, if you simply spike his Coffee with some Starfish—but he’s going to do it while making you think about Jesus. Indubitable to all, is that Prince is obviously trying to make the two worlds make sense. He’s trying to find symmetry in the crinkled lace of his musical panties, if you will.

In attempting to make the profane divine, and the divine absolutely approbatory of his homo-erotic ponderings, Prince turns to the artistic concept which he finds refuge in—that is , Camille. Oh Camille, that part of him with the big wet vagina that expresses his feminine nature, in love with all things female, and flirting with the divine. Camille, the escutcheon veneer that shields his innermost sexual urges. He can have boy or girl, cuase Camille wants it to be so. He can talk of being girlfriends, of wanting a bucket of Squirrel Meat (homo-erotic bestial ponderings which he blames again on Camille or poor old Brother Brookes).

But does it matter that Camille is the sacrificial lamb to his innermost desire to taste the flesh of man, or to have himself a big vagina? No, of course not. Camille expresses something much more tangible than the urge to give blowjobs or cunnilingus, much more powerful than the urge to be anally probed or to invite Jesus into your bedroom—Camille expresses ideas. The whole of the Rainbow Children, Musicology, and the sonically catchy but equally empty 3121, when thrown together in all of their post-Symbol synergistic glory, simply proves that Prince doesn’t have any truly interesting ideas without Camille. The age of the cool and pimp Prince reveals an artist comfortable in his skin to some—but to me, it expresses how repressive his homosexual tendencies have become without the assistance of his favorite alter-ego and preverbal butt puppet, Camille. We need her back, now more than ever!

Thank you.


lol



"Through the entire experience of Sign ‘o’ The Times, there is a certain sense that yes—this man will definitely play with another man’s penis"


falloff omg!
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Reply #39 posted 08/26/06 9:39am

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BorisFishpaw said:

All very expressive and entertaining... but unfortunately totally wrong, and
based on a misconception that Camille is female. The Camille persona was always
male, right from the start.



at first i was annoyed that you'r being serious...but then i started to wonder if you were joking too.

and now im just confused. confused
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Reply #40 posted 08/26/06 10:10am

alwayslate

This is kinda off topic but, did anyone notice that at the end of "If I was Your Girlfriend" Prince and Cat are climbing the stairs and Prince is kinda undoing his lil jumpsuit there and, as he is climbing the stairs.... his pants fall down. Revealing his wonderful ass just for less than a second?
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Reply #41 posted 08/26/06 10:33am

Illustrator

Imago said:

Sign ‘O’ The Times is both an Apologue of moral behavior as well as an affectively sagacious metaphor for homo-erotic experimentation - A commentary by AsianBomb777.




The Smiths had the Queen is dead, the Cure had Disintegration, and Paris Hilton had Paris. All great artists release that one album that will forever define the musical careers, and shape the landscape of their future albums—that one album that raises the bar so high they never seem to capture the moment ever again.

For Prince, for better or worse, that album is Sign ‘o’ The Times. A Messy, sprawling, self-indulgent, orgy of sound that triumphs in it’s brashness and brilliance as much as it stimulates the libido, and, concomitantly, the intellect. Where Morrissey ponders his self-loathing, self-pitying sexual frustrations with same-sex overtones, Prince strokes the penis of another man while playing the girl—and makes you love it! One could never imagine “Frankly Mr. Shankly” ever exposing homo-erotic yearnings nearly as brilliantly as Prince’s “IT” or “If I was Ur Girlfriend”, while turning the tables around and doing it through a supposed female embodiment of his alter-ego, Cammille. Prince wants his cunnilingus to mean something to his lesbian lover in ways that Morrissey could never understand, and probably be hospitalized if he were to receive visuals of such feasts.

But the buck does not stop for Prince with just the sexual. Through the entire experience of Sing ‘o’ The Times, there is a certain sense that yes—this man will definitely play with another man’s penis, if you simply spike his Coffee with some Starfish—but he’s going to do it while making you think about Jesus. Indubitable to all, is that Prince is obviously trying to make the two worlds make sense. He’s trying to find symmetry in the crinkled lace of his musical panties, if you will.

In attempting to make the profane divine, and the divine absolutely approbatory of his homo-erotic ponderings, Prince turns to the artistic concept which he finds refuge in—that is , Camille. Oh Camille, that part of him with the big wet vagina that expresses his feminine nature, in love with all things female, and flirting with the divine. Camille, the escutcheon veneer that shields his innermost sexual urges. He can have boy or girl, cuase Camille wants it to be so. He can talk of being girlfriends, of wanting a bucket of Squirrel Meat (homo-erotic bestial ponderings which he blames again on Camille or poor old Brother Brookes).

But does it matter that Camille is the sacrificial lamb to his innermost desire to taste the flesh of man, or to have himself a big vagina? No, of course not. Camille expresses something much more tangible than the urge to give blowjobs or cunnilingus, much more powerful than the urge to be anally probed or to invite Jesus into your bedroom—Camille expresses ideas. The whole of the Rainbow Children, Musicology, and the sonically catchy but equally empty 3121, when thrown together in all of their post-Symbol synergistic glory, simply proves that Prince doesn’t have any truly interesting ideas without Camille. The age of the cool and pimp Prince reveals an artist comfortable in his skin to some—but to me, it expresses how repressive his homosexual tendencies have become without the assistance of his favorite alter-ego and preverbal butt puppet, Camille. We need her back, now more than ever!

Thank you.

Oh Imago, please.....






you had us at 'Hello'.
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Reply #42 posted 08/26/06 11:40am

Avatarfunk

...as he delivers his purple opus wink
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Reply #43 posted 08/26/06 12:45pm

Aerogram

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Your elegant deconstruction of this specific problématique gives pause to any post-post-post modernist. Well done!
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Reply #44 posted 08/26/06 4:07pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

The Camille persona was always
male, right from the start.



heart heart SUCK MY DICK LOLOL heart heart
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Reply #45 posted 08/26/06 6:03pm

dseann

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I found that to be very interesting. I kinda miss Prince's imagination. He seems to be to fixated on finding the truth these days.


I think he forgot that making music was supposed to be fun. Having fun making music is what made him a superstar.

I don't know about this "Camille" or "Homo-erotic experimental" shit(I won't go there), but Prince now seems to be too serious about his work, I guess as you put it he's "fixated on finding the truth these days".
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Reply #46 posted 08/26/06 6:15pm

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'A pillow covered in all our tears'
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Reply #47 posted 08/26/06 7:25pm

dustysgirl

You know Camille can be a boy's name too. It's just not that common. Has anyone ever head of Van Gogh's painting, "Portrait of Camille Roulin." He was a boy that Van Gogh knew.

Also, at the beginning of the LoveSexy tour book, doesn't it say, "Time upon a once, there was a boy named, Camille..."

I think all the speculation on Prince's sexuality is just wishful thinking on the part of homosexual fans of his.
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Reply #48 posted 08/27/06 5:02am

JonnyApplesauc
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The only masturbation going on here is mental. GTFOH w/ that bs. Stop projecting gay fantasies onto art.
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Reply #49 posted 08/27/06 5:21am

2the9s

The more you read this post...the more it has been read.







3 hour later edit...
[Edited 8/27/06 10:25am]
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Reply #50 posted 08/27/06 5:57am

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JonnyApplesauce said:

The only masturbation going on here is mental. GTFOH w/ that bs. Stop projecting gay fantasies onto art.



WTF? He has me convinced.... TOTALLY. worship
Love
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Reply #51 posted 08/27/06 8:44am

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I thought Camille was a grand old idea, alot of interesting stuff stemmed from Camille.

One thing that is confusing me though... is well... almost everything in the main statement! lol I read it but I think its cos I don't really see the homo-eroticism coming through I s'pose.

Did he ever have a relationship with a bloke? confuse
JaneyPoos used to be it... then they changed what it was. Now what I am isn't it and what is it is strange and frightening to me...


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Reply #52 posted 08/27/06 8:47am

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alwayslate said:

This is kinda off topic but, did anyone notice that at the end of "If I was Your Girlfriend" Prince and Cat are climbing the stairs and Prince is kinda undoing his lil jumpsuit there and, as he is climbing the stairs.... his pants fall down. Revealing his wonderful ass just for less than a second?


You What!?!?!?!?biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin Where am I looking? biggrin biggrin biggrin lol
JaneyPoos used to be it... then they changed what it was. Now what I am isn't it and what is it is strange and frightening to me...


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Reply #53 posted 08/27/06 9:02am

alwayslate

JaneyPoos said:

alwayslate said:

This is kinda off topic but, did anyone notice that at the end of "If I was Your Girlfriend" Prince and Cat are climbing the stairs and Prince is kinda undoing his lil jumpsuit there and, as he is climbing the stairs.... his pants fall down. Revealing his wonderful ass just for less than a second?


You What!?!?!?!?biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin Where am I looking? biggrin biggrin biggrin lol


Okay, when Cat and Prince are kinda undressing Cat right? He helps her take her little skirt off and throws it away. Then he is kinda wriggling out of the top of his lil jumpsuit as he is climbing the steps right? It's kinda dark so you gotta look real hard.
When is he climbing the stairs, he sorta lets go of his pants just before he reaches the top, and woops!..the pants dip just below the ass there. and he quickly pulls them up and ties the straps in front of him. It happened fast and it is dark.
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Reply #54 posted 08/27/06 9:06am

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alwayslate said:

JaneyPoos said:



You What!?!?!?!?biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin Where am I looking? biggrin biggrin biggrin lol


Okay, when Cat and Prince are kinda undressing Cat right? He helps her take her little skirt off and throws it away. Then he is kinda wriggling out of the top of his lil jumpsuit as he is climbing the steps right? It's kinda dark so you gotta look real hard.
When is he climbing the stairs, he sorta lets go of his pants just before he reaches the top, and woops!..the pants dip just below the ass there. and he quickly pulls them up and ties the straps in front of him. It happened fast and it is dark.


I must examine for this soon... smile
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Reply #55 posted 08/27/06 9:21am

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Camille is a gay woman unfortunately born with a penis. Morality is ambiguous when your sexual identity is undefined by conventional terms.
(Insert something clever here)
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Reply #56 posted 08/27/06 9:31am

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DarkKnight1 said:

Camille is a gay woman unfortunately born with a penis. Morality is ambiguous when your sexual identity is undefined by conventional terms.


I think I need a lie down I'm getting more confused by the second! lol
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Reply #57 posted 08/27/06 3:29pm

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Dan, your brilliance outshines us all once more.

bow



and mine even moreso because i apparently can't spell
[Edited 8/27/06 15:30pm]
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Reply #58 posted 08/27/06 3:30pm

Anx

i always thought that 'camille' was a representation of the vagina that lives in every man - as in, the potential female spirit that lives in every human organism before the differentiation process begins or does not begin. camille is the woman who lives in the man, which is not to say that camille is a woman, but perhaps something that we could never understand. which would have made more sense if imago had written this wearing a shawl and a lace mask, which, for all we know, he in fact did do.
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Reply #59 posted 08/27/06 4:33pm

Imago

Anx said:

i always thought that 'camille' was a representation of the vagina that lives in every man - as in, the potential female spirit that lives in every human organism before the differentiation process begins or does not begin. camille is the woman who lives in the man, which is not to say that camille is a woman, but perhaps something that we could never understand. which would have made more sense if imago had written this wearing a shawl and a lace mask, which, for all we know, he in fact did do.

lol
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