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Thread started 08/20/06 1:59pm

CrozzaUK

Controversy - Jake Shears' favourite "gay" album

Not sure if this has been posted before, but in this months British gay mag, Attitude, The Scissor Sisters front man Jake Shears voted Prince's "Controversy" as his top gay album. heres what he had to say:

"When I was 10, left alone at a cousins house for a day, I cam across a stash of white cassette tapes. One was labelled Controversy. The sound was brash, and I couldnt make much sense of it, but listening to Jack U Off for the first time was like uncovering a stash of my aunt's Playgirl magazines. Who in their right mind would listen to this stuff?

Years later when I started writing songs, I revisited Controversy and what I heard on that album gave me the juice and inspiration I needed at that moment. Nothing can stand next to the opening cut, and the frankness of the lyrics ("Am I black or white, am I straight or gay?") that must have been so shocking at the time and are just as blunt as they ever were. "Some people want to die, so they can be free" is on of the most heartbreaking lyrics ever written in a pop song. And his image was so provocative - thong, flasher mac and mascara - he would get bottled off stage and called a fag. Prince's arrival was guaranteed to simultaneously freak you out and turn you on."
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Reply #1 posted 08/20/06 2:03pm

Nothinbutjoy

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CrozzaUK said:

Not sure if this has been posted before, but in this months British gay mag, Attitude, The Scissor Sisters front man Jake Shears voted Prince's "Controversy" as his top gay album. heres what he had to say:

"When I was 10, left alone at a cousins house for a day, I cam across a stash of white cassette tapes. One was labelled Controversy. The sound was brash, and I couldnt make much sense of it, but listening to Jack U Off for the first time was like uncovering a stash of my aunt's Playgirl magazines. Who in their right mind would listen to this stuff?

Years later when I started writing songs, I revisited Controversy and what I heard on that album gave me the juice and inspiration I needed at that moment. Nothing can stand next to the opening cut, and the frankness of the lyrics ("Am I black or white, am I straight or gay?") that must have been so shocking at the time and are just as blunt as they ever were. "Some people want to die, so they can be free" is on of the most heartbreaking lyrics ever written in a pop song. And his image was so provocative - thong, flasher mac and mascara - he would get bottled off stage and called a fag. Prince's arrival was guaranteed to simultaneously freak you out and turn you on."


"Some people want to die, so they can be free" is on of the most heartbreaking lyrics ever written in a pop song."

That has always been a stand-out line to me as well.

"Prince's arrival was guaranteed to simultaneously freak you out and turn you on."

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Reply #2 posted 08/20/06 2:41pm

sexxydancer

Controversy is not a gay album,but it's 1 of my faves 2!
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Reply #3 posted 08/20/06 3:10pm

Justin1972UK

sexxydancer said:

Controversy is not a gay album,but it's 1 of my faves 2!


Controversy is a really gay album.
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Reply #4 posted 08/20/06 3:18pm

NouveauDance

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I wish I didn't read this thread.... I don't like the idea of sharing a favourite album with Jake Shears. neutral
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Reply #5 posted 08/20/06 3:18pm

miguelbulcao

New Power Soul is the gay one! lol
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Reply #6 posted 08/20/06 3:25pm

Justin1972UK

miguelbulcao said:

New Power Soul is the gay one! lol


Miggy, you know that ain't so!

'Controversy' is gay, gay,gay.
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Reply #7 posted 08/20/06 3:30pm

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Right on, Jake! nod
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Reply #8 posted 08/20/06 4:32pm

miguelbulcao

Justin1972UK said:

miguelbulcao said:

New Power Soul is the gay one! lol


Miggy, you know that ain't so!

'Controversy' is gay, gay,gay.


Sorry but lyrics like:

Get freaky, let the head bob

Shoo-bed-ooh, shoo-bed-ooh, ooh!

R uber G A Y!









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Reply #9 posted 08/20/06 4:38pm

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NouveauDance said:

I wish I didn't read this thread.... I don't like the idea of sharing a favourite album with Jake Shears. neutral


same here.....and this is my favorite album..... sad
chill..prince doesnt like men being front row, makes it hard to sing the ballads
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Reply #10 posted 08/21/06 12:50am

tane1976

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OK its not a gay album biggrin

BUTTT..
1. You can interpret lyrics in songs such as do me baby, Private Joy, Lets Work and Jack U off to a gay audience (nowhere does Prince mention, she her etc0

2. It may not be a gay album, but a lot of gay people sure loved it.

3. How sure are you that Prince isnt a bit bi himself.

I think I can understand where Jake is coming from
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Reply #11 posted 08/21/06 12:58am

BoySimon

Why are people getting so uptight about an album being labelled 'gay'? Didn't P say it right back at the time? Frankly, who cares? Prince celebrated the 'confusion' he created and now we have people reacting to it. Bizarre. Be happy that Prince appeals to all people, regardless of height, width and depth.
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Reply #12 posted 08/21/06 2:59am

meow85

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Justin1972UK said:

sexxydancer said:

Controversy is not a gay album,but it's 1 of my faves 2!


Controversy is a really gay album.

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If you don't think it is, you've been listening to it with earplugs in.
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Reply #13 posted 08/21/06 3:00am

meow85

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BoySimon said:

Why are people getting so uptight about an album being labelled 'gay'? Didn't P say it right back at the time? Frankly, who cares? Prince celebrated the 'confusion' he created and now we have people reacting to it. Bizarre. Be happy that Prince appeals to all people, regardless of height, width and depth.


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Reply #14 posted 08/21/06 3:50am

SpecialEd

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Nothinbutjoy said:


"Some people want to die, so they can be free" is on of the most heartbreaking lyrics ever written in a pop song."

That has always been a stand-out line to me as well.



The heartbreak isn't tied to any strict definition though. It's a line that can be interpreted in so many different ways. Three that come to mind:

1. Want to die to go to whichever heaven/paradise a religion subscribes to.
2. Want to die to escape misery of life.
3. Dying in the name of political/national "freedom", i.e. soldiers in wars.
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Reply #15 posted 08/21/06 6:13am

jayaredee

It doesn't get gayer than Controversy. Brilliant album.
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Reply #16 posted 08/21/06 6:49am

endorphin74

thumbs up!

I hadn't seen this, thanks for posting!
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Reply #17 posted 08/21/06 7:27am

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SpecialEd said:

Nothinbutjoy said:


"Some people want to die, so they can be free" is on of the most heartbreaking lyrics ever written in a pop song."

That has always been a stand-out line to me as well.



The heartbreak isn't tied to any strict definition though. It's a line that can be interpreted in so many different ways. Three that come to mind:

1. Want to die to go to whichever heaven/paradise a religion subscribes to.
2. Want to die to escape misery of life.
3. Dying in the name of political/national "freedom", i.e. soldiers in wars.

Thats how I understand that line. I live in a very politicized country. confused

And I dont think that line is gay. wink
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Reply #18 posted 08/21/06 8:47am

jayaredee

dammme said:

SpecialEd said:



The heartbreak isn't tied to any strict definition though. It's a line that can be interpreted in so many different ways. Three that come to mind:

1. Want to die to go to whichever heaven/paradise a religion subscribes to.
2. Want to die to escape misery of life.
3. Dying in the name of political/national "freedom", i.e. soldiers in wars.

Thats how I understand that line. I live in a very politicized country. confused

And I dont think that line is gay. wink


Being gay, especially as a teenager and not feeling accepted by society could relate to that line. I'm not saying that's what he's saying in the line, but gay people can definately relate.
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Reply #19 posted 08/21/06 8:52am

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So the fact that a gay person relates to something makes it gay. Huh.
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Reply #20 posted 08/21/06 9:01am

jayaredee

FruitToAttractBears said:

So the fact that a gay person relates to something makes it gay. Huh.


No songs like Jack U Off make it gay lol

Once again, people show how threatened they are by the idea of something being called gay.
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Reply #21 posted 08/21/06 9:03am

jayaredee

BoySimon said:

Why are people getting so uptight about an album being labelled 'gay'? Didn't P say it right back at the time? Frankly, who cares? Prince celebrated the 'confusion' he created and now we have people reacting to it. Bizarre. Be happy that Prince appeals to all people, regardless of height, width and depth.


This post should be quoted on the home page. Brilliant. clapping
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Reply #22 posted 08/21/06 9:05am

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jayaredee said:

FruitToAttractBears said:

So the fact that a gay person relates to something makes it gay. Huh.


No songs like Jack U Off make it gay lol

Once again, people show how threatened they are by the idea of something being called gay.


I'm not threatened. I'm just trying to understand because I think it's bullshit, personally. But that's just what I think, kinda like the way some people will swear up and down that the album is gay.
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Reply #23 posted 08/21/06 9:07am

jayaredee

FruitToAttractBears said:

jayaredee said:



No songs like Jack U Off make it gay lol

Once again, people show how threatened they are by the idea of something being called gay.


I'm not threatened. I'm just trying to understand because I think it's bullshit, personally. But that's just what I think, kinda like the way some people will swear up and down that the album is gay.


Read the initial post. Jake Shears is a gay man and found an album that he highly relates to. It's his gay album of choice. That doesn't mean it has to be gay to you. It's just an album. Call it whatever you want.
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Reply #24 posted 08/21/06 9:10am

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jayaredee said:

FruitToAttractBears said:



I'm not threatened. I'm just trying to understand because I think it's bullshit, personally. But that's just what I think, kinda like the way some people will swear up and down that the album is gay.


Read the initial post. Jake Shears is a gay man and found an album that he highly relates to. It's his gay album of choice. That doesn't mean it has to be gay to you. It's just an album. Call it whatever you want.


That was my point.
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Reply #25 posted 08/21/06 11:46am

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dammme said:

SpecialEd said:



The heartbreak isn't tied to any strict definition though. It's a line that can be interpreted in so many different ways. Three that come to mind:

1. Want to die to go to whichever heaven/paradise a religion subscribes to.
2. Want to die to escape misery of life.
3. Dying in the name of political/national "freedom", i.e. soldiers in wars.

Thats how I understand that line. I live in a very politicized country. confused

And I dont think that line is gay. wink


That line in particular isn't specifically gay, but can hold a lot of meaning for a young gay person, or anyone else who might be unhappy with their lot. But I don't think Jake pointed out that line to highlight it's queerness. I read his comment more as an aside that it's a sad, beautiful line in a very queer album.

Which it is.
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Reply #26 posted 08/21/06 11:47am

meow85

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jayaredee said:

BoySimon said:

Why are people getting so uptight about an album being labelled 'gay'? Didn't P say it right back at the time? Frankly, who cares? Prince celebrated the 'confusion' he created and now we have people reacting to it. Bizarre. Be happy that Prince appeals to all people, regardless of height, width and depth.


This post should be quoted on the home page. Brilliant. clapping


I agree! clapping

Hey mods -whaddya say?

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Reply #27 posted 08/21/06 11:50am

meow85

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FruitToAttractBears said:

jayaredee said:



Read the initial post. Jake Shears is a gay man and found an album that he highly relates to. It's his gay album of choice. That doesn't mean it has to be gay to you. It's just an album. Call it whatever you want.


That was my point.


He wasn't saying the album itself is gay or Prince has to be gay ebcause he made the album. That's not what's meant by referring to Controversy as a gay album.

Chill. Have a cookie. And stop fussing about who thinks what's gay and why. Will it shatter your album experience if somebody else sees Controversy as potentially having queer subtext or meaning? No.
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Reply #28 posted 08/21/06 12:04pm

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meow85 said:

FruitToAttractBears said:



That was my point.


He wasn't saying the album itself is gay or Prince has to be gay ebcause he made the album.


And where the fuck did I ever say that? Geez, ya'll just want to make your point regardless of the acutal argument, don't you?

That's not what's meant by referring to Controversy as a gay album.

Chill. Have a cookie. And stop fussing about who thinks what's gay and why. Will it shatter your album experience if somebody else sees Controversy as potentially having queer subtext or meaning? No.


I really couldn't care less about the potential queer subtext and meanings of the album, and I don't deny they exist, but it's patronizing comments like that that piss me off.
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Reply #29 posted 08/21/06 12:09pm

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Are y'all sure it's a gay album? It might be a straight album! It might be a black or white album! wink
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