RUHip2TheJive said:

Double hmmmmm!

Krystal666 said:

I think that's kind of funny actually. zD
[Edited 8/29/06 13:12pm]

Krystal666 said:

Thanks for sharing about your father . Amazing how Astrology pinpoints what and why some things happen in a person's psychee and how other people respond to this.
Perhaps, Prince's sadness and anger comes from feeling unloved by his parents? Especially his dad. I thought it was pretty sad when his dad didn't attend to his first wedding.
I've noticed that many people: VH-1 guest commentators (I Love the 80s, the 10 top sexy artists), and male and female fans alike say that they are attracted to Prince.

Babynoz said:
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Hi Babynoz

Thanx.I tend to stick with Placidus for birth charts. So I would place Prince's Jupiter in the 11th house and I think that his latest religious conversion for one thing might be partially explained by that placement.
But I don´t think there's any definite answer to which housesystem is "the right one". I can only say that for me personally Placidus always does the trick.

Krystal666 said:






Hi Krystal

Yes he is also very much the Gemini. Aside from being his Sun sign, he has also got Gemini's ruler, Mercury, placed in Gemini, which further emphasizes his Geminian traits. (Duality, all the alter ego's, his constant changing of mind and of the people around him etc.) But like you say you gotta combine that with his enormous Scorpio/Pluto influence and of course with the other things in his chart as well.
While the Sun sign, the rising sign and the Moon sign should give you an overview of his personality, his whole chart is just as complex as he is. And in that respect he is no different from the rest of us - we're all complex and full of paradoxes. But then again maybe some more than others So yeah, a fascinating man has a fascinating chart

oooh! this is all very interesting.
Thanx for all the info folx
hey..How do I find out what rising sign I am?

Shorty said:

ohh nevamind..I figured it out! but now I'm wondering Krystal..how do you know what exact time Prince was born?

Krystall 66'

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That sounds just like him, regardless of some of the negative criticism he gets from fans, his attitude is like "so what, tough s***", you'll still want to see me play and buy my music anyway", and then there's the nice side of him, what a balance.
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interesting. in all these years i've never looked into prince's chart. all the water and scorpio stuff makes beaucoup sense, tho. the sexuality, the secrecy, the pigheaded behavior == very scorpio.

Shorty said:

I have this old book from like 1984 called "Prince: Inside the Purple Reign" by John Bream and on page 16 it said "...He was born at 6:17 pm.,June 7, 1958 at a Jewish hospital in Minneapolis."

I'm just going by that It's a pretty great book and the author was from Minneapolis I think.

Virgo said:[quote]Babynoz said:
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I also thought his Venus in Taurus might explain his strong facination/attraction to beautiful, feminine women. Although he's been with some quirky original ones too like Susannah Melvoin...but the majority of the "Prince girls" were so glamorous and always had the best clothes, make up and seemed to really enjoy being women. A modern day Venus I suppose.

totally! also, the "love or loathe" factor with scorpio risings. my brother is a leo with scorpio rising and sometimes i love him more than anyone but almost equally i cant fucking stand him. i never understood those people who would say, "GOD I FUCKING HATE PRINCE!" like, how could u hate him? but maybe thats why.

wavesofbliss said:

Virgo said:

Hi Virgo,

Thanks for your response. I guess the consensus is that there is no definitive answer on house systems. Equal house usually works best for me, so I tend to use it more often. I do hope we get an opportunity to chat more about lots of astro stuff one of these days.

I agree that Prince is very Gemini in some ways, but what made me look at his chart in the first place was the many things about him that seemed so uncharacteristic of Gemini. I had a few "aha" moments to say the least. Complex and fascinating is an excellent description of his chart. He's a potent mixture with lots of layers.

Krystal said:



I totally agree: All of his women seem to be Afrodite/Venus incarnates.

Including Susannah.She's described back then as being very stylish, always looking her best and also spending alot of time decorating her home - and Prince's too.There was also talk of her developing her own perfume, which is all sooo "venusian".
I saw her live with Wendy and Lisa in 1990, and she looked just gorgeous and all the men in the room were totally drooling over her
And her "babe-magnetism" was mentioned in all the reviews of the show.
So while also being very intelligent and "quirky" she's definetely also got that "Venus-thang" going.

Another interesting thing.
That Venus in Taurus is in the 6th house. In a man's chart that would usually mean that he would fall for a co-worker og an employee (or several of them ).
In Prince's case that seems to be taken to the extreme with all the protegees.
He falls for women he works with or more likely when he's seriously interested in a woman he creates a job for her so they can work and be together. But it's never an equal relationship because he's their mentor and they're employed by him, which is another 6th house issue.

Virgo said:

Facinating stuff! Thanks virgo! Yes I suppose Susannah does fall into that "Venus" like type of woman, I always thought she beautiful expecially in the Girls&Boys video and I'm sure she was even more so in person. What I ment was she wasn't just a bimbo, she was intelligent like her fellow Aquarian women and they like to do there own thing, they usually don't like men molding them. But yes as you pointed out she was very high fashion and chic (just like alot of his other protegee's), I even read that Prince was a little intimidated by her because she was so well read and knew alot about culture and art. But that stuff probably drew him to her just as well, she sounds like a very charasmatic person!

Oh and really cool stuff about the sixth house too! Thank u!

so here- i hope this isn't a repeat.
from astro.com.

Prince (male)
born on 7 June 1958 local time 06:17 pm
in Minneapolis, MN (US) U.T. 23:17
93w16, 44n59 sid. time 10:07:18

Sun Gemini 16°40'38 08 direct
Moon Pisces 01°59'11 04 direct
Mercury Gemini 04°05'34 07 direct
Venus Taurus 07°49'59 06 direct
Mars Aries 00°30'17 04/5 direct
Mars is technically near the end of house 4 and is interpreted in house 5.
Jupiter Libra 21°56'29 11 retrograde
Saturn Sagittarius 22°51'44 02 retrograde
Uranus Leo 08°45'39 09 direct
Neptune Scorpio 02°20'26 12 retrograde
Pluto Leo 29°57'42 10 direct
True Node Scorpio 00°11'09 12 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Scorpio 16°41'50
2nd House Sagittarius 16°28'12
3rd House Capricorn 22°16'15
Imum Coeli Aquarius 29°43'24
5th House Aries 01°44'19
6th House Aries 26°46'03
Descendant Taurus 16°41'50
8th House Gemini 16°28'12
9th House Cancer 22°16'15
Medium Coeli Leo 29°43'24
11th House Libra 01°44'19
12th House Libra 26°46'03

Major aspects
Sun Trine Jupiter 5°16
Sun Opposition Saturn 6°11
Sun Sextile Uranus 7°55
Sun Quincunx Ascendant 0°01
Moon Square Mercury 2°06
Moon Sextile Venus 5°51
Moon Trine Neptune 0°21
Moon Opposition Pluto 2°01
Mercury Sextile Mars 3°35
Mercury Sextile Uranus 4°40
Mercury Quincunx Neptune 1°45
Mercury Square Pluto 4°08
Venus Square Uranus 0°56
Venus Opposition Neptune 5°30
Mars Quincunx Neptune 1°50
Mars Quincunx Pluto 0°33
Jupiter Sextile Saturn 0°55
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2°23

short summary of chart:

Sun in Gemini, Moon in Pisces

You were born with the Sun in Gemini and the Moon in Pisces. You seem to possess some excellent qualities. In one respect you are extremely intellectual and subtle. Your inner nature is one of reason. You are intelligent, astute, flexible, and versatile.

The Moon in Pisces definitely affects your personality or role in society, in which others see you in a different manner. You seem to be quiet and easy going, but somewhat restless. You are one of those persons who seeks variety, and you change your mind very easily. You will be criticized because you appear irresolute and sometimes cannot be relied upon. This comes about because you are rather easily discouraged. Your personality shows an inclination toward reading and all sorts of imaginative pursuits.

Your problem is, first of all, that you lack ability to make quick decisions. You are also very influenced by others. On many occasions you will feel a sense of despair, which will drain you of all the energy required to continue your projects. You should fight against these negative states of mind as much as possible.

Your feelings are not in accordance with your actions. Internally, you have the ability to solve day-to-day problems, but externally, you are too emotional. You should try to harmonize these two traits.

Ascendant in Scorpio, Mars in the Fifth House

At the time of your birth the zodiacal sign of Scorpio was ascending in the horizon. Its ruler Mars is located in the fifth house.

Your life will be marked by your shrewd, secretive, obstinate, clever, and reserved disposition. You remain an enigma: with these traits, your life events could be either very tragic or very fortunate. To which category of Scorpio do you belong? There are two types, the extremely emotional, attracted by those pathological aspects of biological relationship, or the highly mystical, concerned with spirituality.

You are a person of extremes, very sensitive and desirous of attachment. There is some attraction to the occult or to psychic phenomena. You are active in the sense that there is a psychological struggle going on inside you between the positive and negative poles-those of affirming and satisfying or rejecting and repressing. You are very intense in your feelings and remain passionately attached to the person you love. Similarly, when you dislike someone you are very fixed in that feeling. However, there is room for optimism in that: whatever type of Scorpio you may happen to be, there exists a desire deep in your inner self for psychic regeneration.

At some point in your life, after the occurrence of a major dramatic event that will affect you deeply, the goal and entire expression of your ego may alter entirely. The intensity and profundity of your passion, however, will always be constant. You have a tendency to go into the shadows and secretly plan the course of action you will take, reluctant to let others know the exact nature of your mood or feelings. In your sexual affairs you are full of passion and strong attachment.

Exert more control over your passions; don't be so resentful of others. Use your strong will and character for favorable and beneficial things.

You have a strong inclination to be involved in medicine, perhaps even surgery. You are attracted by research and investigation in general.

At first glance we can tell you that your life is going to be geared in essence to, firstly, participating in speculative affairs, and secondly, to leading an intense and varied love life.

You are going to be attracted to potential lovers with too much force and enthusiasm and your over-ardent nature may lead you into unfortunate situations. You should be most successful in love affairs but at the same time, you may suffer many disappointments and frustrations. You are assertive in love; you are closely possessive, and can become angry if your attentions are not gratified within a reasonable length of time.

Note: Mars is technically near the end of house 4 and is therefore interpreted in house 5.

Saturn in the Second House

Saturn is found in the second house at the time of your birth. This is not a very favorable astrological circumstance for the general course of financial matters in your life.

It might be difficult to maintain a relatively fair position because of financial losses. You might also take financial matters too serious, and burden yourself with worries about them.

Your arduous and dedicated work might produce little for you financially, but it does help to strengthen your self-worth and your appreciation of other values. Therefore, do not be discouraged. Saturn often grants a fairly normal financial status at an older age if one exerts oneself in this direction.

If you make an effort to acquire greater enthusiasm in business, coupled with more liberality, life will change by the same degree.

Moon in the Fourth House

The Moon was found in the fourth house at the time of your birth. Moon here will definitely influence events concerning your mother, places of residence and family matters.

Both your childhood and even your older age will be characterized by a love of romance, various journeys, and interesting adventures.

The liability of this astrological combination is that it gives you an uncertain position in life and a perpetual striving for material security that seems to be hard to come by. This may be relieved temporarily by your receiving a small inheritance and will be almost overcome by the final years of your life by excellent family care and assistance.

Venus in the Sixth House
Venus was found in your sixth house at the time of your birth. You can regard yourself as a lucky individual. Your health throughout life has been either very good or you have had the capability of quickly recovering from illness.

In dealing with others within your work environment, you may also obtain an increase in income. Your attitude to work is that it is a pleasurable thing to do. You are not a hard working individual; on the contrary, there is something of laziness in you. Destiny may put you into positions where you will work under the direction of extremely kind and attractive superiors. A love relationship could start due to this interaction.

Sun in the Eighth House

The Sun was found in your eighth house at the time of birth. This inclines your individuality to be oriented, in one way or another, to the deeper sides of life. Your sexual feelings are long-lasting, intense, and vital. Your inner self seems attracted to unusual matters related to the termination of life-death and its mysteries.

Traditional astrology indicates that near your middle age a crisis will rear its head in your life. If this period is successfully spanned you can expect a prolonged life with a gradual heightening vitality.

Financially, there are definite chances for money inherited from either your partner or from another relative.
[Edited 8/25/06 10:06am]

Krystal666 said:

pluto doesn't count anymore. oh the humanity

Purplerein said:



Whatever they choose to call Pluto - planet or otherwise, astrologically speaking Pluto is the single most powerful thing in a chart - especially in the progressive chart. Degrading it astronomically won't change that

Krystal said




You're welcome, Krystal

No, she's definitely not a bimbo And I'm sure Prince's mix of love/attraction/fascination and intimidation is what created such passionate feelings and songs for her.



Babynoz said:




You're welcome, Babynoz.
Sure that would be cool.

Well that doesn't paint a pretty picture for me I'm a double Scorpio..if you believe that hoodoo!