sosgemini said:

Shh! The future of the ENTIRE universe depends on what these two people think are the reason orgers dislike Prince.

Prince is tearing us apart.

Imago said:

sosgemini said:

It all started around the same time our boy started to bleach his skin,

actionthisday said:

babynoz said:

It's hard to keep people on topic. Once they get going, there's NO TURNING BACK.

skywalker said:

"DISLIKE...as compared to... previous work." I safely assume the orgers can read and the "topic" headline is short..... I have a long list of responses from orgers who happen to prefer the older stuff. [FLAME SNIPPED, keep it friendly please - BananaCologne]
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Imago said:

Shoot the messenger.

purplecam said:

I for one am gone in the sense that I don't buy Prince albums anymore. I frequent this site cos I still listen to the old stuff. Mohammed Ali was one of the best fighters ever. Nowadays you or me could probably beat him up. That doesn't stop us from calling him great. His achievements still inspire people regardless of whether he can still box do those things or not. Same goes for Prince.

xplnyrslf said:

When people start claiming that Prince's sales are as good over the last 10 years as they were the previous 10 or saying that lots of people attending The Musicology tour means they must dig his new suff you can't just let such nonsense go unchallenged.

skywalker said:

You make some good points, but I was around for the eighties and the fact that each album was a surprise was what was so cool about Prince's music. Although I personally love TRC and The Truth (in part), I seriously doubt that Prince's post '88 output will be much hailed in 10 yrs time. Every artist has a peak and although I'm sure P will make more music that I love, his peak is long over.

vivid said:

That's the simple truth. It happens to artists in all fields. Prince is not the first and he won't be the last. It happened to all his idols too, Stevie, JB, George Clinton, etc.

Hey, instead of being rude and getting personal, look at my post on the top of the 2nd page of this thread. Even, though I think you asked a very loaded question I answered your question.



Why don't you try to become a moderator so you can control what people do and say in these threads? Again, I answered your question. You are just as guilty of taking this thread off of topic as I am. I take issue with the title of this thread because it starts off with YOUR highly subjective opinion that orgers dislike Prince's music in the last 10 years. I am disappointed that you decided to become so impolite . I think I fairly addressed the issue that the title of your thread is loaded and actually a bit of bait.

whoknows said:

whoknows-

You are making things up now. I simply posted data from the RIAA to counter you claim.

You are the one who claimed that none Prince's albums in the last 10 years are among his top 10 all time sellers. The info I found from the RIAA suggests otherwise. Did you ever do anything to disprove what I found?

Again, I challenge you to show me where I claimed that "Prince's sales are as good the last 10 years as they were the previous 10." You won't because I never said that.

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And that's fine. That's how you feel and it's cool. All I am saying is that I bet that not everyone else feels that way.

skywalker said:

[FLAME SNIPPED, keep it friendly please - BananaCologne]

I've already told you why the RIAA figures you posted were baloney. Go back and re read my post. This is why I can't debate with you, because you don't listen to anything that's said or you respond to what you imagine has been said rather than what actually has been said.
If you're now admitting that P's sales have been down over the last 10 years then you could have saved us a lot of time and trouble by just admitting it from the start. instead of trying to dance around that obvious truth. And before you say "sales don't mean shit", they do when you're talking about the amount of people who think an artist's music has gone downhill. This is really basic stuff.

No need to get personal.


You say they are baloney, but they are how the States keep track of sales. Like or not, you have yet to show me data indicating otherwise. Again, you calimed that none of Prince's albums in the last 10 years are among his biggest sellers. According to the RIAA you are wrong.



I think you are way off, I have specifically quoted your words and then addressed them. I have simply responded to your exact words in every case, just as I am doing now. I think you are being a bit harsh and unfair. Don't you?


Again, I never EVER claimed Prince's sales were better in the last 10 years than ever. I simply countered your claim that none of his albums in the last 10 years have been among his 10 best sellers. Your were wrong. I proved my point with facts from the recognized legit sales tracker where I am. You didn't like it so instead of finding contrary data, you resort to insults.



And there we go. After claiming that "your own ears" are the only gauge you need to hear/see that Prince has lost it, you own up and admit that sales matter to you. Bottom line: You equate sales with artistic quality. I don't. That's the sticking point to our debate. Good for you and Ashlee Simpson. I guess Batman is a better album that Sign O' The Times according to you and the amount of albums sold.
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skywalker said:

This is unbelievable! Listen! The point about specific albums only came up about 4 posts into the debate. Go back and check that out if you don't believe me. You had already been trying to dodge the very point which you are now more or less admitting for some time by then.

skywalker said:

You don't even realise it but you just went and did exactly what I said you've been doing all along. YOU DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING TO YOU! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO THINK PRINCE'S MUSIC IS NOT AS GOOD AS IT USED TO BE. SALES ARE AN INDICATION OF THAT POINT ONLY! It's really simple. Please try and think before you misread what people are saying in future.

Alright, let's recap: Please copy these points as I do and refute anything that you disagree with.



Did you tell me that sales did or did not matter?
You have gone back and forth on this point. I maintain that sales do not indicate whether Prince has "lost it" or not.

Did you tell me than NONE of Prince's albums in the last 10 years are among his top 10 selling albums ever?
Yes. You did. I then used data from the RIAA which counts sales in America to prove otherwise. I'd be happy to look at any other figures you can find.

Did I ever claim that Prince sold better in the last 10 years than the previous 10?
No. I only claimed that, historically, Prince has rarely sold an album in blockbuster numbers-except for Purple Rain, Batman, and Diamonds and Pearls.

The main point we are debating the fact that you think that Prince has "lost it" and that the world shares your viewpoint. You back up this claim with sales figures, and what you hear from people you know, TV, and magazines.

I disagree. I say that your viewpoint is yours to have, but that not everyone agrees with you. I point out Prince's recent return to America's limelight that began with the Musicology Tour and has continued up to right now.

That is the crux of our argument, right? I am not trying to make you upset, just trying to reach a common ground.

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BananaCologne said:

the org is out of control...


"please hold me".

sosgemini said:

I'm sorry.

skywalker said:

im just teasing. its all good.

actionthisday said:

When people ask me what kind of music I listen to and I say Prince Their first response is "Oh yeah I like his old stuff" And that bugs the crap out of me. To me I get disappointed when others say that and that makes me feel that Prince lost his mojo (only because I feel that eveyrone should like him).I like the fact that he likes to play something different from what is out there but at the same time what he plays doesnt coincide with what is going on in the now. Quiet frankly I am getting tired of being dissappointed by an album that is labled "highly anticipated" and it really not being worth the wait. SIgn O the TImes, to me, is the best and we need more of them.

beautifulone6 said:

I've met probably about a dozen people over the last 10 years who say the same thing. Some of them were fully fledged fans who fell by the wayside. I've never met anyone, anywhere in the real world that didn't think that. If not for the org I wouldn't know that such people existed.

The majority of orgers don't DISLIKE P's music the past 10 yrs, just prefer the older stuff. Summarizing the responses to this forum, here are the top 10 explanations you gave:


1. P's lost creative energy, edge...lacks inspiration

2. Songs just aren't as good...generic, formula based

3. Fans have gotten older..listen to less music,

4. Musical landscape has changed past 30 years

5. His ego is too big.

6. Too many "Yes" people around him

7. P lacks outside musical influences..too insulated

8. Rap...P tries to be hip

9. P sanitized his music...doesn't sing about sex like he used to

10.Prince has gotten older
[Edited 8/16/06 11:41am]

xplnyrslf said:

i feel comfortable with that synopsis. yes that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

xplnyrslf said:

Good work xplnyrslf. For the record I agree with points 1, 2, 4 ,5, 6, and 7. The others are debatable.