I was reading this book recently called "The Death And Afterlife Book"when I came across this passage about Akashic Records. I thought I would post it here for anyone interested in the meaning of it as Prince refered to it in the song "Family Name".


Akashic Records

The Theosophical concept of akashic records refers to the records of all world events and personal experiences-of all the thoughts and deeds that have ever taken place on the earth. These events are transcribed in the form of complex images composed of pictures,sounds, and other sensory phenomena upon the "matter" of the astral plane(called the akasha)and may be "read" only when the reader is in a special altered(one might even say mystical)state of consciousness. In such a frame of mind,one is able to tap the akashic records and receive direct information about past ages. Certain theosophical descriptions of Atlantis,for example,are supposedly received via this technique. Also some psychics who do past-life readings claim to receive their information from the akashic records. The Lipika are said to be the spiritual beings responsible for inscribing the records of the past ages on the akasha.

Akasha is derived from a Sanskrit word meaning luminous and is taken to refer to essence or space. It is conceived of as an all-pervading medium similar to the ether of nineteenth-century physics,which was thought to be the medium for both light and sound vibrations. Akasha is the first of the five Hindu elementsor principles of nature;the other elements are created out of this quintessence. This subtle principles,called Tattvas,are associated with the five senses of human beings and with the basic elements of matter:earth(prithivi),water(apas),fire(tejas),and air(vayu).

Helen Blavatsky,founder of the Theosophical Society,reffered
to the akasha as "a radiant,cool,diathermous plastic matter,creative in its physical nature." In medieval occultism,the akasha,from which akashic records or chronicles derive,was sometimes called the luminous waters or the mercurial waters, and in modern occultism it is sometimes called the akashic tableau or the cosmic memory.

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[This message was edited Wed Feb 26 2:22:48 PST 2003 by IstenSzek]

Hmm...odd that you make a post on Akashic records because I came across Akashic records last night while surfing around ...here is what I found.

Akashic Records: Term used in "theosophy" (below) designating an alleged library that exists on the astral plane containing all the thoughts, actions, and events of mankind. Mystics, through altered states of consciousness, tune into this library for information.

Theosophy: Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky: The Word "theosophy" literally means "God wisdom." Founded in
1875 to form a universal brotherhood of humanity. Teaches pantheism, reincarnation, striving for Christ-consciousness, and occult and paranormal phenomena. Important early leaders include Colonel Henry Steel
Olcott, William Quan Judge, and Annie Besant. Important texts include Isis Unveiled, The Secret Doctrine, and The Golden Book of the Theosophical Society. Similar and/or related to the Arcane School, the I AM Movement, the Liberal Catholic Church, and Rosicrucianism.


Personally, I like your info on Akashic Records better ...but thought I would share this tidbit as well for the sake of discussion.

Very interesting.
In the recent book by Anne Rice (and movie starring Aaliyah) the main character was named Akasha and she was the mother of all vampires. I was wondering where she came up with that name.

gatorgirl said:

Thanks for the response gatorgirl. Since I first heard the song "Family Name" I was curious as to what Prince was talking about. Finding this info was an unexpected surprise.

hhhmmm...
Do these 'records' have an (intelectual property) owner?

Do I need to pay to get me a copy?

Thank u to Classic77 and Gatorgirl for this information. This throws new light on my understanding of the album and Prince.

I think I want to find out more now!

It says altered states of consciousness - I wonder if that's why certain tribes in the world take certain substances, to get them there?

So is the concept of the Akashic Records a JW one? No? If not, this would imply an interesting element to TRC. Are Prince's beliefs broader and more individualistic than merely JW?

Hmmm...

gubbins4ever said:

Very good point as this is clearly not a Jehovahs Witness philosophy.

I've always thought that P's beliefs would go outside his designated beliefs somewhat... or maybe he just liked toying around with language...I dunno!

This makes me think of an original Star Trek episode where the crew lands on a planet that is dying and they can jump out to any place ever known. Spock and the Doc end up back in a prehistoric ice age and because they haven't been prepared, Spock starts to become a prehistoric Vulcan.

One of my fav Star Treks. The old man, librarian part made me think of the Akashic Records.

BTW thanks for the info. It was interesting!

There are individuals in our realm of existence who can access the Akashic Records. Edgar Cayce was one
of those individuals. There are perhaps a handful of these individuals in the US who can access the records. Much responsibility comes with this "ability". For a not so hefty price, you can have your records
read. The records contain a history of your "soul" - basically all of your past lives. Our past lives influence our current incarnation. A responsible psychic will access these records for the sole purpose of
obtaining information to assist with current physical, mental, emotional problems which may be a result
of unresovled issues from past lives. A responsible psychic should never give a client information from the Akashic records that he or she is not prepared to handle. During the trance state, the psychic can access
your "soul record", and see every name you've ever had, the year the soul "name" ceased to exist. Information concerning future events and happenings. The Akashic Records are also called the Hall of Records. This is much more deeper than astrology, tarot, runes, or tea leaves. This is serious, and should not be used for entertainment. If you're thinking about asking for a reading, be sure that you are clear about why you are asking for your Akasha to be read. Peace, Love, and Light...N!

well I think... JW doctrine wasn't born yet when Thomas Jefferson allegedly said "...my fellow Americans ... if there is a just 'God'... we are going to pay for this!..."
I am sdtill wondering if I could get a real copy of that particular expression from Jefferson and who I need to ask for it...

And I wonder if Prince got a license for it to use it on Family Name... just like he got that license to use Dr. Martin Luther King's speech...

ndigo said:

Okay... so do you think Prince really accessed the 'Akashic records' and received the information he 'copies'/'translates' in Famile Name?...

Or was he just 'toying' with the idea?...

gatorgirl said:

Uh oh!

Don't tell Gregory alive!

The funny thing is that there is a record company by that name! I think it is from japan and Towa Tei (former DJ from DEEE-LITE) is on it !!!

Abrazo said:

Since it's not Jefferson's real voice there really isn't a need to get permission. It would be like someone saying "Keep hope alive" or "I am somebody" on a recording - you don't need to get permission from Jesse Jackson.

Interesting info, cheers.


That term "theosophy" is funny, sums up Prince's mumbo jumbo perfectly.

gubbins4ever said:

I defo believe that his beliefs are broader and more individualistic than jw. Defo.

But this is just my 'belief' - only he can answer this question. Only Prince.

You must understand the nature of his musical ability. He has alot of natural psychic ability that he expresses by creating music. Any musician who just picks up an instrument, and plays it does so because he intuitively knows by "psychic" impression. Psychic ability can manifest in many ways, and regarding
Prince, I'm sure his ability manifests in other realms besides music. When he says his mind takes a
trip- maybe he does experience trance - like or altered states.

This was intersting. I will have to go back and listen to Family Name again.

I think that Prince will take some of the JW beliefs and mix them with his own ideas. I do not think that he will be as tied to the JW's as some of you think.

I can tell you that Christian religions frown on this kind of stuff and he did not get this from the JW's

Supernova said

Supernova...!

Prince says he got that line from Jefferson from the 'Akashic records'... I was referring, with a 'humerous' nod, to asking permission from the 'owner'(if there is one) of the Akashic records... : permission to acces (some) of the information that is allegedly recorded there...

This has in my view many interesting resemblances with copyright 'doctrines'...
And yes..., this also makes my question pretty hypothetical and abstract, since we probably can't speak about an 'owner', nor about 'permission' in the legal meaning of these terms.

But when you try to look at it from a more 'spiritual' point of view there really seems to be a resemblance between getting acces to (part of) the Akashic records and the information recorded within/on (?) them + the right to later talk about (reproduce and make public, distribute) it on a 'physical' recording (like P allegedly does on Family name) ... between that and... the normal procedure of asking an intellectual property owner permission to use his information.

which brings me to the other thing you said that "it's not Jeffersons real voice"...
I think that if Jefferson really said this in a public speech, that the speech would have been protected by modern standards of copyright ( expired by now, but nevertheless), just like MLK's speech still is...
It is not only about the recording and the actual sound of the speech, it is most importantly the (probably written) speech itself. The recording would be derived from the actual work, the speech itself... If Prince would NOT have reproduced the recording of Dr.King's speech, but would have incorparated the same part in his own lyrics, he still would have made a reproduction of part of the speech.

So what I actually meant was that if the information withing Jefferson's speech would be copyrighted or 'owned', by now perhabs by the 'owner' of the Akashic records (whoever that may be) Prince could have faced the same situation as with MLK's speech, for which he had to arrange a license...and did...

So would he also have needed a'license'/'permission' from the 'owner' of the Akashic "records"?
Is there an owner or some'thing' simmilar to it? And if so do you need 'permission"? And if so what does this permission consist of and on what conditions?


That's what I meant...

Abrazo said:

Ahh. Of course, if it's copywritten you have to go through the standard legal procedures. I don't know this for a fact, but I don't think Jefferson's speech was copywritten (even at this point), I could be entirely wrong.

And to tell you the truth, I scanned (just read a little here and there) some of the info of Akashic Records last Winter when I first heard of it. So I'm not 100% clear on it, I'd have to read it more in depth. However, if Jefferson's speech is copywritten I don't get the impression that Akashic Records would be part of the legal procedure to go through to get permission to use that specific info. Just as MLK's speeches (or parts of it) have to be acquired from MLK's estate because they (his family) have the rights to it. Plus, the real soundbite of his voice is used on the album, so that would be an obvious case of needing permission.

This is very interesting. Thank you for the information. It does add another element to TRC. Since that album seems like a blueprint of sorts to Prince's spirituality, it's intriguing to understand this element. An element which clearly wouldn't be embraced by the JW (or any christian) faith.

hmmm, i'm gonna have to listen to it all over again now.

Thanks again for the info!

You must be "anoited"- so to speak- to access the Akashic Records. This anoiting is a result of having incarnated many times(I suspect) and having reached a level of spritual evolution through these incarnations. When we incarnate, we have a "veil of forgetting" of our past lives. The forgetting is necessary for spiritual evolution. There are "keepers of the records", and before a soul incarnates, permission is granted. A Soul who requests permission to access the Akasha is a soul who is agreeing to an incarnation of service- that is- to help others. If this is clear to you, I will give you more information

This reminds me of the movie/book "What Dreams May Come." The movie starred Robin Williams and was very interesting, visually. The book was far superior and went into much more detail re: how ideas/information is stored.

I remember hearing somewhere that Prince also liked the movie. One element that showed up in the book, and somewhat in the movie, was the idea that all ideas for books, music, art, etc already exist in "heaven." There was some discussion of how these ideas are transferred to the human plane. The discussion was very similar to this idea of the Akashic Records.

In short, read the book!

supernova said:

Think about this...

When you write a speech..., or a song, or a book, or... whatever kind of "original expression" that is considered to be a "work" in the sense of copyright...,the law automatically grants you a package of exclusive rights to it, but not before the work is "fixed" in a "tangible" form or "object", "for the first time"... like a manuscript or a video/audiotape...
If it is never fixed, it is not protected by law...

These rights exists for a limited period of time.(generally for the life of the author + 70 years)... The core right is the exclusive reproduction right...

Okay... that's basic copyright doctrine ... now how do the Akashic records 'work'?

I will quote what has been posted about that by classic77. The [..]parts are my comments...



..The Akashic records function not only in the way that they "reproduce" your work in its finished form ... but rather that they also reproduce the entire process of creation of the work...because every thought, maybe even every feeling, and every deed is allegedly recorded in there...

The question then is... do the Akashic records, (or the keepers of them,... or whatever it may be that records all your stuff)..., need YOUR permission to "transcribe" YOUR work and all your thoughts and actions in the records?...

From a strict intellectual property kind of view... one would immediately be compelled to say YES...
But from reality speaking... NO,... since nobody alive seems to be constantly giving permission to record their thoughts and actions in the Akashic records...the theory about it seems to be more about a purely "natural" phenomena...that happens regardless of any permission by anyone...
...that could be a possible defense against copyright infringement then..

But a defense could also be to argue that permission is not needed...because of the nature of the the process of creation ... which could be seen like this: ...

The ideas and original expressionthat your work consists off, are, in reality, created in your mind BEFORE you originally express them on a tangible object...A thought exist already before you have even got the change to express it...

If the Akashic records contain records of every thought and deed then ideas and original expressions are most probably already recorded in the Akashic records BEFORE they are fixed in a tangible form and thus also before they are protected by law...
(the work has to have been fixed in some tangible form to be fully considered protected by copyright...)

So it is arguable that no infringement takes place by the 'recorders' (whoever they may be)... since the 'copying' takes place when the copyright doesn't exist yet...thus a defense is possible... unless...

when the "matter" of the astral plane can be seen as "tangible"... in that case the Akashic records would be almost similar to a bootlegger who sneakily records an artist performance without permission on a tangible object ( a tape)...
in that case we could be facing the biggest copyright infringement ever ... lol...

Okay... since the 'recorders' may get off the copyright 'hook'... What about the persons who allegedly can acces these records?...

...Just suppose I could acces these records and get to hear some blazing vault tracks that Prince allegedly has hidden in there... and I take these songs in my mind and later use them for my own music which makes me famous...

Do I not need Prince's permission?...

uhuh! ...lol...


If I don't get his permission. but I still use it...isn't that in full contradiction with copyright principles?

hhhmmm...
I would say that is a very troubling question...

and if the Akashic records truly exist... very well possible...lol...


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Abrazo said:

Sure, that's standard procedure for any type of written or recorded work (and that means music too). But MLK Jr.'s I Have A Dream speech started out entirely different: it wasn't written down when he gave it. The entire speech was unrehearsed. It was straight from the heart, to the world's ears as he was saying it. He was that brilliant as an orator. Therefore, it wasn't in tangible form when he gave it. But what copyright laws were like at that time in 1963 with regard to speeches is something I don't know (some copyright laws have undergone changes over the years). And exactly when the King family had it copywritten, I have no idea. Although the fact that it has been used so many times within so many mediums after his death, I would think they've had it copywritten for years now.

Super... you make a very good point... MLK's speech was not written down before he performed it... This brings out the crucial question if the speech therefore perhabs was not properly copyrighted...
Furthermore, since it was not writen down, but was performed before a very large audience it could be argued that the speech was perhabs therefore forfeited to the public domain...and thus unprotected.

Like said, the general rule is that the work must have been 'fixed' in some 'tangible' form to be granted protection. That is still the case.
But this rule can bring trouble and unreasonable results when you realize that MLK (or any other 'performer of a work'-- an 'original expression'-- that is not fixed in tangible form) did not write his speech down, but performed it right from the head... straight from his mind...

Therefore there is also the existence of the "performance rule"...which grants legal protection to a work, just by performing it...'fixation' is thus not absolutely necessary...

Publication is another key-term in copyright doctrine. It has often great importance in order to determine what the exact legal status of a work is. Unpublished works are more protected by law than published works. For example, "first sale" rights, belonging to the purchaser/owner of a copy of a work can not even exist when no copies of the work have been distributed to the public/published yet. First sale rights in that respect form an exemption to the author's exclusive distribution right.

So... you say have no idea whether MLK's speech was copyrighted in 1963, or whether it was perhabs forfeited to the public domain, eh?... lol
That is the question...

Which HAS been answered in a US Appeals Court not even so long ago, in fact only 3 years, in 1999...!

in the very important case before the US Court Of Appeals for the Eleventh circuit, between MLK's Estate and CBS.

It deals with the these exact same questions whether MLK's speech was/is copyrighted or not... and whether the large dissemination of his speech through the media constituted a "general publication", whic means the same as a forfeitment of the work to the public domain.

check out these sources... they will give you a LONG read, but it is very well worth it...if you are up to it... heh...

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw...PN&exact=1

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw...AN&exact=1


these are the facts of the case :



Thus the facts show that the district court found that MLK had forfeited his speech to the public domain and was thus free to be used by CBS.
The court of appeals however has an opposing opinion and does come to the conclusion that MLK's speech is and was copyrighted and never forfeited to the public domain. Do you want to know why???

Legal reasoning can be very exciting you know?

ndigo said:

Agree with you that Prince has some psychic ability. Didn't he at one time say that the "symbol" came to him in a vision? Or something on that order???
I don't think too many organized Christian religions approve of Akashic records ideas...they connect that and reincarnation to occult. I find it interesting.