silverandgold said:

Do tell what these different sounds are...the chezzy synths on black sweat that sounds like it is trying to summon every dog in the world?

ccollin88 said:

He's Prince and you are? (probably some wannabe musician/artist that couldn't make it )

silverandgold said:

I am a much better musician than prince and i dont have to wear mascara and womens clothes to get noticed.....you didnt answer the question...where are all these different sounds?

ccollin88 said:

Really? So how we don't know who you are? Can you show us some proof that you have gotten more recognition and is a better musician than Prince? You have evidence of that?

wonder505 said:

i AM one the worlds foremost oboeist....I'm a classical musician.....

BSK3601 said:

You poor fellow... maybe this will explain it...


Is it just me or is there suddenly an increase of "hate" on the org?
Like, every other thread is like this one.

Not a cure but they may help:
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Funny the only hate IMO seems to come from those too blind to see any of Prince's failings, and chiefly it is a failure to innovate. He keeps treading down that overtrodden path of Funks / Jazz. We need fresher styles/ beats .. some Latin or flamenco, electronica influenced grooves given a fresh twist, there is folk music too. Whole different types of music he has never really gotten to grips with. Sure as far as Pop goes Prince has innovated but his growth as an Artist has stunted .. Wake up, Prince has flaws.

devilstwin said:

Funny the only hate IMO seems to come from those too blind to see any of Prince's failings, and chiefly it is a failure to innovate. He keeps treading down that overtrodden path of Funks / Jazz. We need fresher styles/ beats .. some Latin or flamenco, electronica influenced grooves given a fresh twist, there is folk music too. Whole different types of music he has never really gotten to grips with. Sure as far as Pop goes Prince has innovated but his growth as an Artist has stunted .. Wake up, Prince has flaws.[/quote]

Who here said that Prince has no flaws. This is not NPGMC. This is the one place where you can read people liking or dissing a song or CD. The only hate I see here are those who post their feelings on Prince's failings, and get mad because people may not agree with them. If you think Prince sucks, that's fine, I have no problem with that. I even sympathized with the original poster because I felt the same way at one point and I left. But it also does not make sense to go on a continuous hatefest on a fansite. I mean if its that bad, get a life and leave. I also disagree with you on the Latin/flamenco sound. That just does not work for me with Prince.
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ccollin88 said:

Do you play solo or in an orchestra?

In case of the latter, which orchestra is it?

Do you know Albrecht Mayer?

ccollin88 said:

Looks like we have something in common. I am a formidable spoonist....world reknound. Im also great at the whiskey jug and drippy water noise from the mouth. I am clearly more diversified then Prince.

devilstwin said:

And now you're gonna get to know me. Anyone who has been a Prince fan long enough knows that the man has tons of shortcomings and flaws. Therefore, it doesn't bother me so much when folks who have only dug him for 5 years or less get all bent out of shape have this complaint. But I despise these threads from folks who claim to have been listening to Prince since the beginning (or since his peak) and 20 years later they feel the need to rant about how he doesn't do this or that or _____ anymore. Ultimately, they proclaim that they're jumping off the bandwagon. Yet with every new album they're still right there ready to discuss how Prince just doesn't have "it" anymore. It's just as engaging as watching paint dry.

I think 3121 is one of the worst albums he's released. Like with every release, there are a few gems on it. But as a whole, this thing is right there on the same level with Newpower Soul. But after it's release I didn't make sure to appear on every single thread showing my disdain for the album. Especially when I know I'll be right there when the store opens to buy the next release.

Hell, I've even admitted there was a time when I felt like a Battered Prince Fan. The major difference is that I didn't come to these forums in '99 and complain about how much I thought the music sucked ass and how I never thought Prince's music would impress me again. And at this point, I don't expect Prince to innovate because that's unrealistic. No artist of his caliber is/was able to continue innovating after his/her last commercial peak. Stevie couldn't, Miles couldn't, Bowie couldn't... so it's unfair to hold Prince to that standard after 20 years. All I want is an honest record that feels genuine. The last few that felt that way were The Rainbow Children, N.E.W.S and the majority of Musicology. So overall, I'm satisfied.

In conclusion, I say critique the music all you want. However, don't front (<-- acting under false pretense) like it's the final straw and you've had enough (album after album.... year after year)

Nobody said it was going to be easy.

Being a Prince fan is not for the timid. You need to be able to withstand tons of secrecy, puzzling moves bordering on the self-destructive, crappy artwork, throwaway songs, erratic marketing and sudden website shutdowns, not to mention Larry and Tina. 2006 is proving to be one of those years where fans need the patience of a saint, just like the years Emancipation and NPS came out, or Graffiti Bridge and UTCM for that matter.

I have a kind of personal barometer for the state of my fanhood. 2004 was a strong 6, 1984 was a perfect 10, much of the 1995-2000 period hovered between 5 and 3. So far 2006 is a 4, in danger of sinking to an unprecedented 2 if the odd moves continue for the rest of year. 3121 was a wasted opportunity due to his astonishing lack of marketing consistency. I have this "back to square one" feeling in terms of his reputation as a moody divo. But still, the bastard managed to impress me with some of his perfomances.

I can see a day when I will no longer bother checking out Prince's latest output, especially if he starts releasing records like N.E.W.S. constantly.
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devilstwin said:

Funny the only hate IMO seems to come from those too blind to see any of Prince's failings, and chiefly it is a failure to innovate. He keeps treading down that overtrodden path of Funks / Jazz. We need fresher styles/ beats .. some Latin or flamenco, electronica influenced grooves given a fresh twist, there is folk music too. Whole different types of music he has never really gotten to grips with. Sure as far as Pop goes Prince has innovated but his growth as an Artist has stunted .. Wake up, Prince has flaws.[/quote]


Why in the fuck do some people feel Prince should still be innovative almost 30 years into his career? Shit man, who is innovative these days? Is David Bowie still innovative? What about Bob Dylan? U2? Elton John? Springsteen? Maybe to you, but not to me.

Why is Prince held to different standards than any other music icon? Usually an artist has a creative peak and then fall into a comfort zone. IMO that's what Prince did after Lovesexy. To you it may be another album.

I say, if you wanna hear innovation go listen to 1999 or SOTT. I'm gonna be listening to 3121.

electriclife said:

Why in the fuck do some people feel Prince should still be innovative almost 30 years into his career? Shit man, who is innovative these days? Is David Bowie still innovative? What about Bob Dylan? U2? Elton John? Springsteen? Maybe to you, but not to me.

Why is Prince held to different standards than any other music icon? Usually an artist has a creative peak and then fall into a comfort zone. IMO that's what Prince did after Lovesexy. To you it may be another album.

I say, if you wanna hear innovation go listen to 1999 or SOTT. I'm gonna be listening to 3121.[/quote]

ITA

electriclife said:

Basically true, but I would add that Prince has a tendency of trying too hard in either direction, whether he's aiming at the mainstream or indulging in more art(s)y territory. His genius was always in balancing these two sides. But you are right that few people if any have kept on innovating for so long. That's why I'm expecting Prince to be a good craftsman rather than a visionary musician these days.
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I absolutely agree with you Aerogram, and I believe Prince was on top of his craft on The Rainbow Children. The vision was deep, the music was deep, and whether you liked them or not, the lyrics were deep.

I don't care if no one else liked it or if it only sold ten copies, The Rainbow Children is a fantastic album!

Aerogram said:[quote]

electriclife said:

That's not my quote. The code was broken so it kind of appears like it came from me. I only quote electriclife and commented "ITA."

wonder505 said:

:falloff:Damn this is hilarious……I am sitting here lmao this is absolutely brilliant.

electriclife said:

- The difference between Prince and, for example, Bowie, is that Bowie seems to be comfortable being out of the mainstream. Prince sometimes gets desperate to sound trendy, and usually fails (it´s been more than 10 years since his last hit). So, he ends up not pleasing both sides: the fans who want more personal, deep work, and the mainstream audience, that see him as a ´has been´ or too weird for mainstream even in his most pop songs.

But I agree with Aerogram, I just expect him to be a great craftsman. I only get a little bit frustrated when his great craftsman side is put aside to favour his attempts to be mainstream. But I am still a big fan.

GustavoRibas said:

i AGREE.....he should just t ravel arond the country playing casinos playin nothing but hits.....

This thread looks awesome if all the BS was removed.

ccollin88 said:

Ok, now if you're asking me about the "different sounds" have you really been listening to Prince's music? If you have you wouldn't ask what I mean. I doubt you're a better musician than Prince, like I said...who are you if you're so much better? By the way the mascara and women's clothes, get over that, I don't think he's wearing it for you. Even if he didn't wear it, his musicianship would still be there. We are talking about his music not his physical appearance. Besides, I'm sure you don't look half as good as him.

It seems to me you have some sort of chip on your shoulder. You can whine if you want, he's still the best musician/artist out there, who managed to survive in this industry from the mid 70s to the present, and please don't give me that Jimmy Jam Jelly with Lewis same old, same old R&B crap.

PurpleCharm said:

Sorry. I corrected the problem.

MickG said:

You'd look awesome with my nuts on your chin.

electriclife said:

Avasdad,

Looks like all is hopeless according to your post, but I can never imagine Prince doing Vegas shows like Tony Bennet. If that happens I will know that Hell has frozen over and that the end of the world is here.

avasdad said:

You face it, most of us don't agree.

See ya!

oh laaaawd! why are you here if you are so miserable. wait I get it - you have nothing else to do or maybe your out of your meds or you are an obsessed fan throwing out bait to see if you can get a reaction from P himself? It's got to be one of those three reasons.

I'm checking these boards everyday for tour information and when I read these kinds of nasty comments it really makes my heart ache for the man that has devoted his entire life to making music for US!!

sorry for the jump on the soapbox...I'll go change the baby now.

ccollin88 said:

THIS IS A SPECIAL REPORT

For anyone here who has issues with Prince and feels like they want to move on, here's some news for you: NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK!!! Just leave and be gone for Christ sake. You sure as hell won't get a medal or even a cookie for your efforts so just get the fuck out. Simple as that.

WE NOW RETURN TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM.

THIS IS A SPECIAL REPORT

For anyone here who has issues with Prince and feels like they want to move on, here's some news for you: NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK!!! Just leave and be gone for Christ sake. You sure as hell won't get a medal or even a cookie for your efforts so just get the fuck out. Simple as that.

WE NOW RETURN TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM.

Yeah really looks like no one he gives an f*ck as you so uniquely and eloquently put it. This thread has afterall only run to three pages. People here care about others opinions or they would post on this forum you moronic maggot brain. By the way you can fuck off if you don't like it because we sure as hell don't need your Stalinist types here.

devilstwin said:

Well if he can say what he wants, then I can say what I want. I had a problem with it and I addressed it just like he did and you did. If you want you can get at me on the orgnotes but in the meantime, you can fuck off moronic maggot brain.
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