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PrintableC&D was in fact a "contract album." It was trash. P knows it and he proves by NEVER playing anything off that album. He ONLY did the contractually mandated appearances (The Today Show) and junkit for it and after that, later that year, what did he do? - He released EMANCIPATION. Nuff said.
Now, YOU tell me was P into C&D? Hell no. He knew it was shit and he made sure people knew it was shit when he placed "Had U" at the end of it, signifying his disdain for the WB plantation and basically telling them "Fuck you" on his way out the door. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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This C.D Definetly ROCKS!!! Whether it was contractual or not. I DIG the FUck out of it. Top 3 in P's collection for me. Doesn't get much better. | |
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StoneCrib said: C&D was in fact a "contract album." It was trash. P knows it and he proves by NEVER playing anything off that album. He ONLY did the contractually mandated appearances (The Today Show) and junkit for it and after that, later that year, what did he do? - He released EMANCIPATION. Nuff said.
Now, YOU tell me was P into C&D? Hell no. He knew it was shit and he made sure people knew it was shit when he placed "Had U" at the end of it, signifying his disdain for the WB plantation and basically telling them "Fuck you" on his way out the door. Well, that's one opinion. What do you think about The Vault which was given to Warners as contract filler at the same time as C&D and is another album that Prince never plays songs from - was that trash too? Because I always hear people bashing C&D for being contract filler but praising The Vault. | |
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metalorange said: StoneCrib said: C&D was in fact a "contract album." It was trash. P knows it and he proves by NEVER playing anything off that album. He ONLY did the contractually mandated appearances (The Today Show) and junkit for it and after that, later that year, what did he do? - He released EMANCIPATION. Nuff said.
Now, YOU tell me was P into C&D? Hell no. He knew it was shit and he made sure people knew it was shit when he placed "Had U" at the end of it, signifying his disdain for the WB plantation and basically telling them "Fuck you" on his way out the door. Well, that's one opinion. What do you think about The Vault which was given to Warners as contract filler at the same time as C&D and is another album that Prince never plays songs from - was that trash too? Because I always hear people bashing C&D for being contract filler but praising The Vault. Isn't the live version of "Extraordinary" on the ONA live album? And what about live performances of "Zanalee"?  | |
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Btw, I think the album is great. It rocks! Just imagine "I rock" and "Dig u better dead" replaced with, let's say, a slamming live version of "The ride" and with "Empty room", and you have one of Prince's best albums ever!!! | |
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This was one of his albums that i instantly liked (which is rare - usually it takes time). I was 15 at the time and thought it was totally kick-ass.
However there are slight sad/morose undertones to the anger. The title track is so cool, i think the songs mix into each other well, with Same December, Right the wrong and Zannalee making a great line up together. It is cool but its true that I dont listen to it so much - you almost have to be in a certain mood - still it is pretty cool - perhaps the lack of popularity is because it came soon after TGE and before the amazing Eman. I loved the days though when he released music so frequently! | |
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The title track is off the hook. I'd love 2 hear it live. | |
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The Same December has one of my favourite lyrics
Once was a golden idol that went to the winner Needless to say it didn't make him feel any less a sinner Cause the very next mornming the whole damn world was the same, The idols still shining but the voice inside him says there aint no winners in this game. It's the cleverest way I've heard him say 'fuck you' to the industry, and he's done that a whole bunch of times in a whole lotta ways. | |
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By Prince standards it's a pretty poor album. Two stand out tracks are the title track and "Dinner With Delores", but the whole album is still quite listenable. | |
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Graycap23 said: The title track is off the hook. I'd love 2 hear it live.
I can't quite remember the show, but he played the riff of "Chaos and Disorder" as a part of "Peach". I think the show was the MTV music awards at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin in 1994. | |
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WOW, it's been 10 years already??? I remember the days leading up to and the day it was released! | |
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metalorange said: StoneCrib said: C&D was in fact a "contract album." It was trash. P knows it and he proves by NEVER playing anything off that album. He ONLY did the contractually mandated appearances (The Today Show) and junkit for it and after that, later that year, what did he do? - He released EMANCIPATION. Nuff said.
Now, YOU tell me was P into C&D? Hell no. He knew it was shit and he made sure people knew it was shit when he placed "Had U" at the end of it, signifying his disdain for the WB plantation and basically telling them "Fuck you" on his way out the door. Well, that's one opinion. What do you think about The Vault which was given to Warners as contract filler at the same time as C&D and is another album that Prince never plays songs from - was that trash too? Because I always hear people bashing C&D for being contract filler but praising The Vault. C&D P picked out, The Vault was what WB picked out as a collective. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: metalorange said: Well, that's one opinion. What do you think about The Vault which was given to Warners as contract filler at the same time as C&D and is another album that Prince never plays songs from - was that trash too? Because I always hear people bashing C&D for being contract filler but praising The Vault. C&D P picked out, The Vault was what WB picked out as a collective. As far as I know, this is not correct and both albums were submitted to WB by Prince at the same time (around late 1995, I think) to complete his contract. The only reason for WB to delay the release of "The Vault" until 1999 seemed to be of strategical nature. The experts (Boris, langebleu) can probably give the exact info on this. | |
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EmancipationLover said: StoneCrib said: C&D P picked out, The Vault was what WB picked out as a collective. As far as I know, this is not correct and both albums were submitted to WB by Prince at the same time (around late 1995, I think) to complete his contract. The only reason for WB to delay the release of "The Vault" until 1999 seemed to be of strategical nature. The experts (Boris, langebleu) can probably give the exact info on this. Yeah, confirm that, because I heard P purposefully gave WB a shitty album (C&D) and then WB still had the rights to some old Vault stuff and just released that. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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Sometimes an album is released and its brilliance is totally lost on you at the time, for whatever reason. Then, years later, you'll come back to it, older, wiser, perhaps a little more open, more able to appreciate a diamond in the rough. Suddenly the "faults" you perceived all those years ago fade into insignificance and you see the work for what it truly was, and is - a masterpiece,
Chaos & Disorder is NOT one of those albums. "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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goosebumps said: Graycap23 said: The title track is off the hook. I'd love 2 hear it live.
I can't quite remember the show, but he played the riff of "Chaos and Disorder" as a part of "Peach". I think the show was the MTV music awards at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin in 1994. Oh yes, totally forgot that he was playing that in the solo, this was the infamous appearance where Mayte stage dove and landed on her back and no one helped her back on the stage, she finally got back up on the stage and seemed to be yelling at his security "pick me up" and after that appearance alot of people got released from paisley park. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Well to me i look at C&D, as a record, and what it meant to me and where i was in my life at the time. So it always has a special place for me, just like Purple Rain did back in 84 and Gold Experience in 95 and Come in 94 and the Symbol in 92 and 1999 in 82 and the list goes on...But if i were to sit back and compare them to each other, and rate them against each other, you'd lose your mind and never be happy with anything. [Edited 7/10/06 15:51pm] "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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StoneCrib said: C&D was in fact a "contract album." It was trash. P knows it and he proves by NEVER playing anything off that album. He ONLY did the contractually mandated appearances (The Today Show) and junkit for it and after that, later that year, what did he do? - He released EMANCIPATION. Nuff said.
Now, YOU tell me was P into C&D? Hell no. He knew it was shit and he made sure people knew it was shit when he placed "Had U" at the end of it, signifying his disdain for the WB plantation and basically telling them "Fuck you" on his way out the door. Prince didn't think the Chaos and Disorder songs where shit. Prince made a music video for "Zannalee" in 1994 and a music video for "the Same December", so clearly Prince didn't think they were shitty songs. He also played a bit of "Zannalee" Prelude in the 1993 Undertaker film. Prince was clearly digging those songs then. It's known that Prince recorded "Zannalee" in May 1993 (without the cop acting joke). Most of the Chaos & Disorder songs we're years old songs by the time they were released in 1996 because Warner Brothers didn't want a new Prince album in 93, they wanted a greatest hits album. In `96 he just got married and Mayte was going to have a baby and he's life was changing so Emancapation was where he was at that point. Then after the baby's death Prince mets Larry on the Jam of the Year tour, becomes a JW and stops cussing. So you were not gonna see Prince singing "Zannalee" anymore etc. Maybe someday if he gets out of his JW he will rock "Zannalee" live again. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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StoneCrib said: C&D was in fact a "contract album." It was trash.
The album was a contractual filler, but the material wasn't originally recorded for this album, or this contract filling purpose. The material was placed on the project, but I wouldn't necessarily say that it was selected because it was rubbish music. No doubt some of it had appeared on canned projects such as 'The Dawn'. Again, you have to get your head around the fact that much like the Black Album, C&D and The Vault were not recorded as a projects, where the material was part of a cohesive theme or set of recording sessions. These songs were largely selected and compiled for these releases. The Black Album was cancelled because Prince deemed it a negative expression, but the material was not recorded with this purpose in mind, had it not been compiled into the Black Album, it would not have been labelled 'negative' - Much like the material on C&D was not recorded with it being contractual filler, it only gained that tag, after it was compiled and released on a contract-filling album. I think, like Come, Prince stuck the minimum number of songs he could on C&D and The Vault, and he might have decided not to put anything he deemed at the time to be 'killer', or 'top drawer' on them, but judging C&D against Emancipation, I know which one proportionately has stronger material, and it isn't the overblown album 'he was born to make'. | |
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SDNafka said: Sometimes an album is released and its brilliance is totally lost on you at the time, for whatever reason. Then, years later, you'll come back to it, older, wiser, perhaps a little more open, more able to appreciate a diamond in the rough. Suddenly the "faults" you perceived all those years ago fade into insignificance and you see the work for what it truly was, and is - a masterpiece,
Chaos & Disorder is NOT one of those albums.  Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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rudeboynpg said: StoneCrib said: C&D was in fact a "contract album." It was trash. P knows it and he proves by NEVER playing anything off that album. He ONLY did the contractually mandated appearances (The Today Show) and junkit for it and after that, later that year, what did he do? - He released EMANCIPATION. Nuff said.
Now, YOU tell me was P into C&D? Hell no. He knew it was shit and he made sure people knew it was shit when he placed "Had U" at the end of it, signifying his disdain for the WB plantation and basically telling them "Fuck you" on his way out the door. Prince didn't think the Chaos and Disorder songs where shit. Prince made a music video for "Zannalee" in 1994 and a music video for "the Same December", so clearly Prince didn't think they were shitty songs. He also played a bit of "Zannalee" Prelude in the 1993 Undertaker film. Prince was clearly digging those songs then. It's known that Prince recorded "Zannalee" in May 1993 (without the cop acting joke). Most of the Chaos & Disorder songs we're years old songs by the time they were released in 1996 because Warner Brothers didn't want a new Prince album in 93, they wanted a greatest hits album. In `96 he just got married and Mayte was going to have a baby and he's life was changing so Emancapation was where he was at that point. Then after the baby's death Prince mets Larry on the Jam of the Year tour, becomes a JW and stops cussing. So you were not gonna see Prince singing "Zannalee" anymore etc. Maybe someday if he gets out of his JW he will rock "Zannalee" live again. The video was a contractual obligation as well. Look, P did JUST what was required for marketing C&D while he went all out and did a concert promoting Emancipation. Now, P probably liked a couple of cuts off of C&D and he may do different arrangements fucking around of those cuts, but other than that, he's buried that trash the moment he dropped it for WB. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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I love this album, man 10 years have gone by.....dam!!!!! |
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TheBigBang said: I think one of the main reasons it is dismissed, despite the fact that people like yourself trumpet its supposed greatness, is because it's a contract filler. It even states in the liner notes that the songs were for private use and not intended to be released. With that, he's pretty much saying that this is just some songs thrown together for no other reason but to fulfill his contract. And it's audible that it's contract filler. Chaos and Disorder isn't a horrible record. In retrospect, it has a couple of pretty good songs. But, for a Prince record, as a follow up to The Gold Experience, it's not a very good album at all. Starts off pretty decent with the one-two punch of the title track, followed by "I Like It There." But then it goes horribly wrong from that point onward. Plus it contains one of my least favorite Prince tracks, "I Rock, Therefore I Am."
Bleah!! [Edited 7/9/06 22:36pm] WOW, a contract filler that turned out to be a master piece. Guess it back fired on prince |
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NouveauDance said: StoneCrib said: C&D was in fact a "contract album." It was trash.
The album was a contractual filler, but the material wasn't originally recorded for this album, or this contract filling purpose. The material was placed on the project, but I wouldn't necessarily say that it was selected because it was rubbish music. No doubt some of it had appeared on canned projects such as 'The Dawn'. Again, you have to get your head around the fact that much like the Black Album, C&D and The Vault were not recorded as a projects, where the material was part of a cohesive theme or set of recording sessions. These songs were largely selected and compiled for these releases. The Black Album was cancelled because Prince deemed it a negative expression, but the material was not recorded with this purpose in mind, had it not been compiled into the Black Album, it would not have been labelled 'negative' - Much like the material on C&D was not recorded with it being contractual filler, it only gained that tag, after it was compiled and released on a contract-filling album. I think, like Come, Prince stuck the minimum number of songs he could on C&D and The Vault, and he might have decided not to put anything he deemed at the time to be 'killer', or 'top drawer' on them, but judging C&D against Emancipation, I know which one proportionately has stronger material, and it isn't the overblown album 'he was born to make'. Which shows you he didn't really give a shit about the project to begin with and why it's so inferior to any of hsi other work. It would be intersting to know if P re-arranged any songs prior to putting them on C&D? Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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As Robert Christgau conveyed, it was a banging little rock album--the first of its kind, since Prince has never really done a full out rock album. There were hits on the disk, but Warners had a bone up its ass and made damn sure that this nifty little record would stiff. All in all, this is a great introduction for people when it comes to Prince's rock style. The lead track just smokes, and it only gets better.
And whatever is ever said, Right The Wrong is a rollicking good time and a banging song. Four stars for C&D  All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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C & D isnt a classic or masterpiece, but what really striked me when hearing the music was the energy and playing joy: I did think (alltough i consider them good to great) some of his disks of the early nineties did sound a bit to labored and too thought out from time to time, but on a big part of C&D he sounds like he really has FUN playing music, he seems to enjoy it a lot.
I disagree about people bashing on I rock, therefor i am. I see it as one of his best funk / dancetracks of the nineties. It has a great, hard beat and a lot of energy. Maybe because of those rap / toasting parts people in here get a bad Tony M deja-vu, but that doesnt mean this song is crap, at least IMO. Alltough i could do with the last two tracks (Dig u better dead, is boring, mediocre dancefunk, Had u is just a short sketch), in general i think this CD is really enjoyable, rocking and full of energy. | |
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StoneCrib said: rudeboynpg said: Prince didn't think the Chaos and Disorder songs where shit. Prince made a music video for "Zannalee" in 1994 and a music video for "the Same December", so clearly Prince didn't think they were shitty songs. He also played a bit of "Zannalee" Prelude in the 1993 Undertaker film. Prince was clearly digging those songs then. It's known that Prince recorded "Zannalee" in May 1993 (without the cop acting joke). Most of the Chaos & Disorder songs we're years old songs by the time they were released in 1996 because Warner Brothers didn't want a new Prince album in 93, they wanted a greatest hits album. In `96 he just got married and Mayte was going to have a baby and he's life was changing so Emancapation was where he was at that point. Then after the baby's death Prince mets Larry on the Jam of the Year tour, becomes a JW and stops cussing. So you were not gonna see Prince singing "Zannalee" anymore etc. Maybe someday if he gets out of his JW he will rock "Zannalee" live again. The video was a contractual obligation as well. Look, P did JUST what was required for marketing C&D while he went all out and did a concert promoting Emancipation. Now, P probably liked a couple of cuts off of C&D and he may do different arrangements fucking around of those cuts, but other than that, he's buried that trash the moment he dropped it for WB. Prince made the "Zannalee" video himself in 1994 and "the Same December" video years before Chaos & Disorder was released in 1996. Before Gold was even released by Warner Brothers (in 1995). The "Zannalee" video was never released. "Dinner With Dolores" was the only single. Prince doesn't consider Chaos & Disorder trash. "That whole album is loud and raucous, but it's also dark and unhappy. Same with The Black Album"-Prince, Musician magazine interview, April 1997. http://princetext.tripod....ian97.html Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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rudeboynpg said: StoneCrib said: The video was a contractual obligation as well. Look, P did JUST what was required for marketing C&D while he went all out and did a concert promoting Emancipation. Now, P probably liked a couple of cuts off of C&D and he may do different arrangements fucking around of those cuts, but other than that, he's buried that trash the moment he dropped it for WB. Prince made the "Zannalee" video himself in 1994 and "the Same December" video years before Chaos & Disorder was released in 1996. Before Gold was even released by Warner Brothers (in 1995). The "Zannalee" video was never released. "Dinner With Dolores" was the only single. Prince doesn't consider Chaos & Disorder trash. "That whole album is loud and raucous, but it's also dark and unhappy. Same with The Black Album"-Prince, Musician magazine interview, April 1997. http://princetext.tripod....ian97.html It still could all be under the WB contractual agreement. Just because it wasn't made for that year of release doesn't mean it wasn't a WB mandated video that was for eventual release. WB ran that plantation and P would tell you, that's why they made him VP of WB - Just to keep him close to HQ because that cat was known to go AWOL for weeks at a time without even contacting them. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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Other than Dinner w/ Delores & Had U, it's still unlistenable   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Wow, i remember watching him on letterman singing dinner w/ delores...and he had the front of his bangs highlite'd in like an orange/red color. Can't believe that is 10 yrs ago.  [Edited 7/10/06 21:58pm] | |
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