VelvetJ said:

that sounds to me like he was out of touch with your feelings....boo hoo.

although i think it was a great choice to do 3121 on b.e.t.i do think he is out of touch.the thing is he isnt as whimsical with the music anymore..everything seems so.....arranged,a lil well too put together.sounds silly huh,i know .but the excitement is gone.3121(the song)is an exception,it sounds like a hot jam in the studio.it sounds fun.i think the thing with any artist(no matter the medium)is thAT WHEN THEY JUST LET IT FLOW its alot better,and most people will understand it,but they plan it out too much..go by a certain standard,they lose alot of whatver it is that makes it exciting.

prince is out of touch with reality but he always has been. the problem is before he was out of touch but still hungry, still wanting more. now he's out of touch but content with life. it happens with age and is no surprise. he's lost his edge..his bite. occasionally something happens that sparks a fire (the truth, rainbow children) but in general, yes, prince is completely out of touch.

he used to make socially relevant songs and smart commentary. now he's singing about "ain't nothing fair about welfare", holes in the ozone, and "no sense in voting"?

sometimes i have to ask myself if this is the same man who made sign o' the times, the cross, dance on, partyup, free, america, pop life...

CuntOMatic said:

You sound
loose, Cunt.

I mean that in a good way,tho.

nope...he's just on a life's journey. He hears the music sent to him by his God,
he's just a conduit

purplerein said:

Shorty said:

And the feelings of many of his fans. Except of course those that think Prince is perfect in every way.

VelvetJ said:

perhaps...but the only thing Prince needs to be in touch with are his own feelings....right?
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sexxydancer said:

The Truth.

I never thought he was totally bonkers until I heard his little speech about time, on the "Rave" dvd before he sings "Purple Rain."

He mumbles something about time being a trick and it's not really the year 1999.

That was a headscratcher right there.

purplerein said:

The the question could be restated:

"Is the conduit in need of repair?"

The problem is he's trying to stay "in touch". He needs to throw today's mainstream the finger and make music for his fans. If the mainstream likes him...fine, if they don't....fuck 'em.

He's not completely out of touch, but he's a bit out of touch.

Lesser artists are told all the time that they must be better. Prince, since he's so damn talented, thinks whatever he does is perfect. And maybe it's perfectly executed, but sometimes it's crap, perfectly executed.

He needs, like Paul McCartney got, someone who can tell him, "no this song that you received from God is crap, and should be left off the album, or at least sent back to God for a lyric revision. And while you're at it, tell Him to add a better hook."
[Edited 7/11/06 10:42am]

NDRU said:

Amen, Amen and Amen.

Shorty said:

Now wouldn't it be great if it were as simple as that? Despite Prince's reputation of "doing what he pleases", it's foolish to think he doesn't consider what fans want, even if it's rare. Despite what he says and what vibes he puts out, Prince would love to see his records at the top of the charts. His "feelings" as you say, has produced some crap at times and when the fans don't like it, he accuses them of "criticizing God", instead of owning up to the fact everything he does isn't a masterpiece.

Please.

VelvetJ said:

Oh please don't make this another sheep v. hatas thread.

1. He's not infallibe. Like anyone, he's done alot right, he's done alot wrong.

2. He's more successful than most of the geniuses here offering him career advice.

NouveauDance said:

They're not actually saying "would of", they're saying "would've" which is the contraction of "would have". Except sometimes when you are writing or typing "would of" comes out because they sound alike. I've done it more than a few times
[Edited 7/11/06 13:08pm]

VelvetJ said:

what? I musta missed that "critizing god" comment. when did he say that? yeah...some songs may be crap to me...but that don't mean they are crap to him. I can not believe someone just said he needs to make music for his fans? say what? no...he don't....He needs to make music for himself, and if people like it...hey,bonus...if they don't...oh well. as far as Prince not "owning up to the fact that everything he does isn't a masterpiece"
I don't know where you're coming from with that...did you have some convo with him about it where he just refused to admit it? I dunno...I think your making a wild assumtion. It's pretty much public knowledge he didn't like the black album (even though I do) so...what are you gettin' at?

Shorty said:

I think it's just an assumption that since he's basically dismissing all criticim that it's a way out of admitting that everything he has done isn't great.

But I think in the same article he mentioned a couple of songs that some people would not get or not be thrilled with, but's all in the perspective. His lame songs might be great to some people--I think anyone who's browsed this site realizes that--and Prince wants to let others decide what's great to them without having some declaration of what should be great to everyone and what definitively sucks.

And while I think he could pick & choose his songs a bit better, I kind of agree with him. He writes the songs, and if it strikes a chord with someone then great. If not, it doesn't necessarily mean the song is bad.

NDRU said:

Haha. I like that

NDRU said:

Someone call a plumber, the pipes are clogged with shit!

theghostoftonym said:

does she get paid?

sacredwarrior said:

no, she gets abused.

who ever taught prince how to treat a muse should have their head busted in.
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MickG said:

he's a big boy now - solely responsible for his own behaviour

the buck stops here

Shorty said:

MickG said:

over and over and over again

In the real world, or an ideal world?

adorable2 said:

well I don't know what an ideal world would be. To me an ideal world would be a utopain one.

I ment the real world, in the aspect of the "listener". I mean, so many day to day people listen to the music, and that makes music popular. One reason we always look toward new artists is because they are well in touch with what "real life" is like and their songs are reflective of this. However when a "new band" gets popularity quickly, they are often very unintresting by the 3rd album because they've lost touch with that voice they owe their popularity to.

There's no doubt Prince is or at least was at one time a great artist. His earliest works show a firm connection to life and such things. His midrange stuff was beautiful works of art. However his later works seem to be nothing but "ain't it cool to be me" "idealistic love" and other things. I mean, he's still got talent, but it would seem it goes to waste.

Musically I don't think he's out of touch but when it comes to the selling the album, absolutely. The performance of 3121 on the BET Awards said it all. He did a song that people didn't know and weren't completely sold on yet he won an award for Black Sweat. He needed to perform that song. He's so busy trying to have success his way that he doesn't realize that what worked in 1986 isn't working in 2006. Perform your single and do it over and over again. Add in a new song too while you're up their. He's been playing everything and while it's cool for me, it's not cool for what he wants and that's a hit album.

Just my