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PrintableGraycap23 said: HoneymoonXpress said: that is true, which is why it really doesn't make any sense at all to blindly deny their influence, because Prince himself has said that no one could play colors like they could. In other words, Prince himself would disagree with what you're saying. So what would Prince say in public? That they were wack? Prince has NEVER done that and NEVER will. It's not his style. They had an impact for sure. Sort of like a seatbelt in a Ferrari. When Prince accepted his special award on the american music awards in January 1995, Prince pulled out a sheet of paper with all the people he wanted to thank for Prince's success. Wendy and Lisa were the first two names to come out of his mouth in that speech. | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: Graycap23 said: I'm a BIG fan of my 12 year olds piano skills.....she can't PLAY a lick. Graycap, honey, you're being stubborn here  If you listen to Wendy and Lisa's post-Revolution albums it's very obvious that they can play.They are average at best.....I like what they contributed 2 Prince's stuff but their music is.....for elevators and movie soundtracks. | |
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Graycap23 said: HoneymoonXpress said: Graycap, honey, you're being stubborn here If you listen to Wendy and Lisa's post-Revolution albums it's very obvious that they can play.They are average at best.....I like what they contributed 2 Prince's stuff but their music is.....for elevators and movie soundtracks. alright then . | |
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Graycap23 said: HoneymoonXpress said: that is true, which is why it really doesn't make any sense at all to blindly deny their influence, because Prince himself has said that no one could play colors like they could. In other words, Prince himself would disagree with what you're saying. So what would Prince say in public? That they were wack? Prince has NEVER done that and NEVER will. It's not his style. They had an impact for sure. Sort of like a seatbelt in a Ferrari. Why would he even bother mentioning them then?? Chris Rock asked him "who would be in your dream band", remind me....who were the FIRST two names he said???? If you need help let me know, you must be tired trying to be all witty and all. | |
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Graycap23 said: HoneymoonXpress said: Graycap, honey, you're being stubborn here If you listen to Wendy and Lisa's post-Revolution albums it's very obvious that they can play.They are average at best.....I like what they contributed 2 Prince's stuff but their music is.....for elevators and movie soundtracks. Like I said, other musicians sing their praises. Sad ol little Graycap don't get it, no one will lose any sleep over that. | |
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EverlastingNow said: Graycap23 said: So what would Prince say in public? That they were wack? Prince has NEVER done that and NEVER will. It's not his style. They had an impact for sure. Sort of like a seatbelt in a Ferrari. Why would he even bother mentioning them then?? Chris Rock asked him "who would be in your dream band", remind me....who were the FIRST two names he said???? If you need help let me know, you must be tired trying to be all witty and all. It's all good. They are going 2 be on the stage when the tour starts. I won't be mad. I'll be there 2 see PRINCE. | |
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Graycap23 said: HoneymoonXpress said: Actually, Graycap, Everlasting is right, Wendy and Lisa did have a lot of input into most of the tracks on SOTT...after he disbanded the Revolution, he re-recorded a lot of those songs, and the only reason we know that, is because of the outtakes and bootlegs floating around, like the original version of Strange Relationship, etc. Understand something, I am FULLY aware of W&L's impact on prince's music but some of these people are UNDER the impression that they MADE Prince. It's B U L L S H I T plain and simple. In all the time I'd read these W&L-themed threads, I've never seen anyone say W&L MADE Prince - just that they had a sizeable and noticeable impact that has been rarely matched by any other band member or associate. I've never seen anyone say W&L 'made' Prince. | |
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NouveauDance said: Graycap23 said: Understand something, I am FULLY aware of W&L's impact on prince's music but some of these people are UNDER the impression that they MADE Prince. It's B U L L S H I T plain and simple. In all the time I'd read these W&L-themed threads, I've never seen anyone say W&L MADE Prince - just that they had a sizeable and noticeable impact that has been rarely matched by any other band member or associate. I've never seen anyone say W&L 'made' Prince. Really.  | |
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Graycap23 said: HoneymoonXpress said: Graycap, honey, you're being stubborn here If you listen to Wendy and Lisa's post-Revolution albums it's very obvious that they can play.They are average at best.....I like what they contributed 2 Prince's stuff but their music is.....for elevators and movie soundtracks. | |
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sexxydancer said: Graycap23 said: They are average at best.....I like what they contributed 2 Prince's stuff but their music is.....for elevators and movie soundtracks. | |
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Graycap23 said: EverlastingNow said: Why would he even bother mentioning them then?? Chris Rock asked him "who would be in your dream band", remind me....who were the FIRST two names he said???? If you need help let me know, you must be tired trying to be all witty and all. It's all good. They are going 2 be on the stage when the tour starts. I won't be mad. I'll be there 2 see PRINCE. Ignorance is bliss. | |
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EverlastingNow said: Graycap23 said: It's all good. They are going 2 be on the stage when the tour starts. I won't be mad. I'll be there 2 see PRINCE. Ignorance is bliss. NOT if u see it coming. | |
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sexxydancer said: Graycap23 said: They are average at best.....I like what they contributed 2 Prince's stuff but their music is.....for elevators and movie soundtracks. You should being that just the org name is different. | |
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EverlastingNow said: sexxydancer said: I love the way u think,Graycap!!
You should being that just the org name is different.  | |
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Graycap23 said: EverlastingNow said: Ignorance is bliss. NOT if u see it coming. Then try not to get run over | |
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NouveauDance said: Graycap23 said: Understand something, I am FULLY aware of W&L's impact on prince's music but some of these people are UNDER the impression that they MADE Prince. It's B U L L S H I T plain and simple. In all the time I'd read these W&L-themed threads, I've never seen anyone say W&L MADE Prince - just that they had a sizeable and noticeable impact that has been rarely matched by any other band member or associate. I've never seen anyone say W&L 'made' Prince. Me neither, no one's ever said that. | |
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Graycap23 said: EverlastingNow said: Why would he even bother mentioning them then?? Chris Rock asked him "who would be in your dream band", remind me....who were the FIRST two names he said???? If you need help let me know, you must be tired trying to be all witty and all. It's all good. They are going 2 be on the stage when the tour starts. They are??? And how do U know this???? | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: Graycap23 said: It's all good. They are going 2 be on the stage when the tour starts. They are??? And how do U know this???? For real?  Those are my girls!  Speaking of the tour when it is going to start? | |
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I have been a fan of Prince since 1982 and liked his stuff before, during, and after, WAY after the W&L years. However, I DO think those years from 1984 to 1987 were a creative peak for Prince and, yes, think W&L had SOMEthing to do with that. No they aren't the most technically proficient musicians he has worked with (however they hold their own...Lisa in particular is an incredible pianist), but I think it was more their opening him up to stuff he wouldn't have on his own. I also think W&L & Sheila, challenged him as well as not being scarred of him. They told him when things sounded like shit and had voices in the band. I think that diminished a lot after they left.
He hit creative highs after...notably with Gold Experience era, and Rainbow Children/One Night Alone. I don't think he sucks with out them...but I think its unfair to say they had little or no influence on him. | |
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Jackeblu said: I have been a fan of Prince since 1982 and liked his stuff before, during, and after, WAY after the W&L years. However, I DO think those years from 1984 to 1987 were a creative peak for Prince and, yes, think W&L had SOMEthing to do with that. No they aren't the most technically proficient musicians he has worked with (however they hold their own...Lisa in particular is an incredible pianist), but I think it was more their opening him up to stuff he wouldn't have on his own. I also think W&L & Sheila, challenged him as well as not being scarred of him. They told him when things sounded like shit and had voices in the band. I think that diminished a lot after they left.
He hit creative highs after...notably with Gold Experience era, and Rainbow Children/One Night Alone. I don't think he sucks with out them...but I think its unfair to say they had little or no influence on him. Well said. Wendy and Lisa weren't afraid to express their opinions when comes to Prince not being well innovative or verged of repeating himself. Prince also have some strong and creative people like Sheila E, Eric Leeds, and lesser extent Dr. Fink too. So yes from 1980 to 1986 Prince got his influence from the girls since Lisa had also influence Prince with her complex pianist skills too before wendy join the picture. And Prince also influence the girls too and I bet they learned a thing or two as well when they went on to do solo albums. So therefore the three influence each other during those years. | |
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ladygirl99 said: HoneymoonXpress said: They are??? And how do U know this???? For real? Those are my girls! Speaking of the tour when it is going to start?End of the Month.....It is ON! | |
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Graycap23 said: ladygirl99 said: For real? Those are my girls! Speaking of the tour when it is going to start?End of the Month.....It is ON! We shall see! | |
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Its interesting to see how many white people love Lisa and Wendy w/ Prince. It was a brilliant strategy to put them in his band. The white male controlled industry loved it and it made millions. Its all good. If he had been marketed as a Black guy w/ a Black band in the 80s, it would have limited his options and reach. So he freaked it and folx still can't stop talking about it. The only drawback is that to this day, so many people want to pretend hes anything but Black. Die hard fans delude themselves that hes some mixed race enigma instead of what he is - a Black man, period. A casual observer could see that. Purple Rain or UTCM are exhibit A. Its a non issue. If he wants some of the same commercial success that he had in the 80s, then he'll bring them back because white people, the largest target demographic, love it. | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: Its interesting to see how many white people love Lisa and Wendy w/ Prince. It was a brilliant strategy to put them in his band. The white male controlled industry loved it and it made millions. Its all good. If he had been marketed as a Black guy w/ a Black band in the 80s, it would have limited his options and reach. So he freaked it and folx still can't stop talking about it. The only drawback is that to this day, so many people want to pretend hes anything but Black. Die hard fans delude themselves that hes some mixed race enigma instead of what he is - a Black man, period. A casual observer could see that. Purple Rain or UTCM are exhibit A. Its a non issue. If he wants some of the same commercial success that he had in the 80s, then he'll bring them back because white people, the largest target demographic, love it.
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JonnyApplesauce said: Its interesting to see how many white people love Lisa and Wendy w/ Prince. It was a brilliant strategy to put them in his band. The white male controlled industry loved it and it made millions. Its all good. If he had been marketed as a Black guy w/ a Black band in the 80s, it would have limited his options and reach. So he freaked it and folx still can't stop talking about it. The only drawback is that to this day, so many people want to pretend hes anything but Black. Die hard fans delude themselves that hes some mixed race enigma instead of what he is - a Black man, period. A casual observer could see that. Purple Rain or UTCM are exhibit A. Its a non issue. If he wants some of the same commercial success that he had in the 80s, then he'll bring them back because white people, the largest target demographic, love it.
I'm no W&L hater (quite the opposite) but the truth of what JonnyApplesauce is saying can't be denied. It's the plain truth. The Normal Whores Club | |
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FunkMistress said: JonnyApplesauce said: Its interesting to see how many white people love Lisa and Wendy w/ Prince. It was a brilliant strategy to put them in his band. The white male controlled industry loved it and it made millions. Its all good. If he had been marketed as a Black guy w/ a Black band in the 80s, it would have limited his options and reach. So he freaked it and folx still can't stop talking about it. The only drawback is that to this day, so many people want to pretend hes anything but Black. Die hard fans delude themselves that hes some mixed race enigma instead of what he is - a Black man, period. A casual observer could see that. Purple Rain or UTCM are exhibit A. Its a non issue. If he wants some of the same commercial success that he had in the 80s, then he'll bring them back because white people, the largest target demographic, love it.
I'm no W&L hater (quite the opposite) but the truth of what JonnyApplesauce is saying can't be denied. It's the plain truth. U will get no argument from me. I agree as well. | |
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Graycap23 said: FunkMistress said: I'm no W&L hater (quite the opposite) but the truth of what JonnyApplesauce is saying can't be denied. It's the plain truth. U will get no argument from me. I agree as well. me either | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: Its interesting to see how many white people love Lisa and Wendy w/ Prince. It was a brilliant strategy to put them in his band. The white male controlled industry loved it and it made millions. Its all good. If he had been marketed as a Black guy w/ a Black band in the 80s, it would have limited his options and reach. So he freaked it and folx still can't stop talking about it. The only drawback is that to this day, so many people want to pretend hes anything but Black. Die hard fans delude themselves that hes some mixed race enigma instead of what he is - a Black man, period. A casual observer could see that. Purple Rain or UTCM are exhibit A. Its a non issue. If he wants some of the same commercial success that he had in the 80s, then he'll bring them back because white people, the largest target demographic, love it.
That's the biggest load of crap I've read since Graycap's last post. The white male controlled industry??? You have seen Mo Ostin from Warner's right??? Prince played two sold out nights here in Denver to 36 thousand people and I would say 70% of them were WHITE. Are you going to say that's because he had Candy in the band??? Prince's commercial success is based on what HE is willing to do, not the amount of white people he has in the band. Prince would be playing to sold out crowds all over right now had he chose to promote 3121 the way he did Musicology. Musicology was the biggest tour of 2004 and for what?? He didn't have a hit album (sales wise) no smash single, just music hungry people that got reminded of how brilliant Prince truly is and that alone packed arena's all over the U.S.. I love Wendy and Lisa with Prince and I'm not white, ?uestlove is one of the biggest Revolution fans there is and I dare you to question his blackness. Sorry, but I just think you were way off point. | |
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Sigh... here we go again, the 'black' Prince thing...
I am really sure, Prince was trying to create different kinds of music during the mid-late eighties JUST because he is a musiclover, and NOT because they were white styles. From the beginning of his career Prince has tried out 'black' and 'white' styles (sorry, i hate those tags, but i use them to make a point): on For You you can hear him sing jazzy / folky singer-songwriter tunes like Crazy You and So Blue, next to disco and soul tracks. Why you wanna treat me so bad is as AOR as 'white' AOR can be. On Dirty Mind he mixes 'white' new wave and guitar rock with 'black' funk. Etc. When wendy and Lisa joined his band, and started to write songs with him it was just a way for him to expanding his musical horizon. It had nothing to do with him being more popular with the 'white' market. I mean: you must be crazy to try to reach that market with cabaretesque and vaudeville-like songs, like he did on Parade, LOL. Apart from that i think people labelling him as a 'black' musician, is denying the facts: his father was halve phillipan and halve black, his mother was halve black and halve italian. But, apart from that, also when you might see and call him as a black musician, a musician, whether he is black, white, yellow or green, is allowed to produce any kind of music he likes and wants too. I am glad people like Miles, Jimmy, Sly, Living Colour, Rage against the Machine and, yes, Prince, understand that. Yes, music is colourblind. | |
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