Graycap23 said:

cosign, ditto, i second that emotion...

Prince, like most musicians with an ear, has been influenced by some of the people around him... Wendy and Lisa included... but they had NO MORE impact or influence than anyone else. Patrice Rushen was more of an influence than W&L. Sheila E was more of an influence.

Graycap23 said:

Just because YOU take it that way doesn't mean that's is anyone's impression. Someone just seems a little sensitive about what is said about Prince, there's help for people like that you know?

Giovanni777 said:

My point exactly, they had NO MORE impact or influence??? Proof that people know NOTHING about the topic and will go to great lengths to support their weak points.

EverlastingNow said:

I don't make such assumptions. I don't have any idea what u may know or DON'T know. I do KNOW this, if you think W&L had the MAJOR influence on Prince, u are quite WRONG. Prince was doing his thang before, during, and LONG after W&L. believe that, cause it's TRUE.

Since u are only 31 years old, I guess u were a prince fan at the age of 2. Ok.....

EverlastingNow said:

Can U read? Can U hear?
Do U have the ear that I do?
I doubt it.

Peace.

Giovanni777 said:

I can read and hear and I'm not worried about your ears but more what's between them making a statement like you did.

Graycap23 said:

No one is questioning what Prince did AFTER them, the point was that Wendy and Lisa were one of the biggest influences Prince has ever worked with in his band. I'm 34 now and had the Prince album at 7 and seen him live for the first time at 11.

Musically, Patrice Rushen and Sheila Escovedo did have more of an impact on Prince. There is no arguing this. I don't hear anything in Prince's guitar or piano that sounds influenced by either Wendy or Lisa. I play both guitar and keyboard, and I'm ear trained, so I think I am being objective here, without an agenda, as U had accused me of having.

Peace.

EverlastingNow said:

Keep believing that.

Also... because Prince worked with them closely, and confided in them musically, does NOT mean that they were a musical influence on him.
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Giovanni777 said:

Well what else could it mean, then?

Giovanni777 said:

I wouldn't go around bragging about being ear trained if you miss something THAT obvious. There's no agenda on my part either, but anyone who knows ANYthing about Prince's music knows that he worked closer with Wendy and Lisa than anyone. Has Prince EVER let anyone else finish what he started with a song?? No. Go listen to In This Bed I Scream and he says it himself, they thought with the same mind. 3 people became one with Prince, Wendy and Lisa during 83 and 86, THAT'S my point.

Graycap23 said:

I knew you'd back off your weak point. Like I said, anytime you want to question my knowledge of Prince you let me know.

Giovanni777 said:

Bottom line? No one would have EVER heard of W&L if it WASN"T 4 Prince. Dig?

Graycap23 said:

And you know what's funny, NO ONE is a bigger fan to this day of Wendy and Lisa than PRINCE, dig??

Graycap23 said:

Thank U-couldn't have said it any better!

EverlastingNow said:

What U just said is that they worked closely together musically, and he confided in them musically, and trusted their musical ideas... these R all different than influencing someone musically.

I never said I didn't like their chemistry. I loved that time, that chemistry... I was there. I am merely trying 2 relay the difference between collaboration and influence.

Musically, there is a big difference.

As far as your antagonistic accusations and insults, I have nothing 2 say.

EverlastingNow said:

U got one part right.....No one.

Graycap23 said:

Getting weaker...c'mon you can better than that! What's next, I'm rubber and you're glue??

EverlastingNow said:

U r wrong-I think ur a bigger fan of theirs than Prince is!

EverlastingNow said:

Weak point? Hummmm Prince has released 40 plus cd's. What % was W&L involved in?

EverlastingNow said:

Dude I respect your right 2 dig W&L, but U need 2 realize that are NOT all that.

EverlastingNow said:

that is true, which is why it really doesn't make any sense at all to blindly deny their influence, because Prince himself has said that no one could play colors like they could. In other words, Prince himself would disagree with what you're saying.

Giovanni777 said:

I apologize to you for anything that I said that was an insult, I let graycrap get under my skin. I do get your point but I do believe that Lisa's piano playing did have some influence on Prince. She played with a very different style that she learned from Wendy's dad. Listen to Power Fantastic which is Lisa and then listen to When the Lights go Down and to me I think the timing and execution is very Lisa. But that's my opinion and before someone crawls up me I'm not saying it's a fact.

HoneymoonXpress said:

I'm a BIG fan of my 12 year olds piano skills.....she can't PLAY a lick.

Graycap23 said:

Scoring and working with tons of other artists, Meshel's Bitter being one of them. They are very sought after in the business from other artists that KNOW what they brought to the Revolution.

Graycap23 said:

Then Wendy and Lisa must have done something to you personally if you're that hurt over them.

Graycap23 said:

To me, they ARE all that and then some. Ask Seal, Neil Finn, Sheryl Crow, Meshel or Rob Thomas, no offense but I'd respect their musical opinion more than yours.

HoneymoonXpress said:

So what would Prince say in public? That they were wack? Prince has NEVER done that and NEVER will. It's not his style. They had an impact for sure. Sort of like a seatbelt in a Ferrari.

Graycap23 said:

Graycap, honey, you're being stubborn here If you listen to Wendy and Lisa's post-Revolution albums it's very obvious that they can play.