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PrintableSpinlight said: EverlastingNow said: They were great but I feel that any group of hired musicians could have done the job, they had chemistry but chemistry that didn't leave the stage. They didn't have chemistry off-stage? Prince, Cat, and Sheila had several photoshoots done of just the 3 of them. They look like a triple threat powerhouse - like something great could come from those 3 people. They looked fierce. Unfortunately, it is Prince's RECENT bands that lack chemistry on or off stage. Ever since 1996, Prince has hired a revolving door of musicians who... really... I mean.... Who the fuck are they? I don't even know who is in the NPG right now. I mean I might know a handful of names, but those people are merely automatons to me.  Okay, off stage chemistry meaning IN the studio, not how well they photographed together | |
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goosebumps said: Did Prince break up the Revolution too soon?????
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I prefer Prince before what officially became known as The Revolution. Whether you consider "1999" the first album including The Revolution (because of the backwards letters "and the Revolution") or "Purple Rain" because of The Revolution being printed on the cover and all inside labels.....anyway, those two albums sounded mainly like Prince doing mostly everything without too much influence from other members.
On "Around The World In A Day" and "Parade", he sounded like he was greatly influenced by other members to the point that he was headed way off in different directions that were so far from the mainstream that he was losing a lot of his audience. He was never the same again but I think if he had held on to The Revolution, it would have eventually driven many more longtime fans away. . . [Edited 7/5/06 14:12pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: I prefer Prince before what officially became known as The Revolution. Whether you consider "1999" the first album including The Revolution (because of the backwards letters "and the Revolution") or "Purple Rain" because of The Revolution being printed on the cover and all inside labels.....anyway, those two albums sounded mainly like Prince doing mostly everything without too much influence from other members.
On "Around The World In A Day" and "Parade", he sounded like he was greatly influenced by other members to the point that he was headed way off in different directions that were so far from the mainstream that he was losing a lot of his audience. He was never the same again but I think if he had held on to The Revolution, it would have eventually driven many more longtime fans away. . . [Edited 7/5/06 14:12pm] I agree. This whole W&L was the best thing 2 happen 2 Prince is just down right STUPID. | |
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Graycap23 said: vainandy said: I prefer Prince before what officially became known as The Revolution. Whether you consider "1999" the first album including The Revolution (because of the backwards letters "and the Revolution") or "Purple Rain" because of The Revolution being printed on the cover and all inside labels.....anyway, those two albums sounded mainly like Prince doing mostly everything without too much influence from other members.
On "Around The World In A Day" and "Parade", he sounded like he was greatly influenced by other members to the point that he was headed way off in different directions that were so far from the mainstream that he was losing a lot of his audience. He was never the same again but I think if he had held on to The Revolution, it would have eventually driven many more longtime fans away. . . [Edited 7/5/06 14:12pm] I agree. This whole W&L was the best thing 2 happen 2 Prince is just down right STUPID. I think a lot of people love Lisa and Wendy because they influenced Prince to do much more diverse things than he had previously done. I can look back now and appreciate those things but when you are dealing with a teenage and 20 something audience (which is the main record buyers of any decade), the last thing they want to hear is something so diverse that it doesn't fit into the mainstream. Prince is older now and has an older audience so that's fine now. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: I think a lot of people love Lisa and Wendy because they influenced Prince to do much more diverse things than he had previously done. I can look back now and appreciate those things but when you are dealing with a teenage and 20 something audience (which is the main record buyers of any decade), the last thing they want to hear is something so diverse that it doesn't fit into the mainstream. Prince is older now and has an older audience so that's fine now. I dig but I think it's DEEPER than that 4 some. Prince has 40 plus cd's and how many W&L a part of? A very SMALL percentage of that total. | |
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I'd love to see Prince and the Revolution do another album, I just felt their breaking up in 1986 was a bit premature. | |
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Graycap23 said: vainandy said: I think a lot of people love Lisa and Wendy because they influenced Prince to do much more diverse things than he had previously done. I can look back now and appreciate those things but when you are dealing with a teenage and 20 something audience (which is the main record buyers of any decade), the last thing they want to hear is something so diverse that it doesn't fit into the mainstream. Prince is older now and has an older audience so that's fine now. I dig but I think it's DEEPER than that 4 some. Prince has 40 plus cd's and how many W&L a part of? A very SMALL percentage of that total. Even though they were gone, I think their influence still lingered onto the "Sign O The Times" album. He had gotten into a 1960s vibe with them during "Around The World In A Day" and "Sign O The Times" definately has a 1960s vibe to some of it. Then he expanded even more with Eric Leeds and 1970s type horns. Before Wendy and Lisa, he had mainly been synth funk/rock (which I would have preferred he stayed for the rest of the 1980s). They kind of opened the doors for him exploring other styles and instruments from other people that he might not have done without their influence. . . [Edited 7/5/06 14:40pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Even though they were gone, I think their influence still lingered onto the "Sign O The Times" album. He had gotten into a 1960s vibe with them during "Around The World In A Day" and "Sign O The Times" definately has a 1960s vibe to some of it. Then he expanded even more with Eric Leeds and 1970s type horns. Before Wendy and Lisa, he had mainly been synth funk/rock (which I would have preferred he stayed for the rest of the 1980s). They kind of opened the doors for him exploring other things from other people that he might not have done without their influence. . . [Edited 7/5/06 14:39pm] I don't KNOW if I believe that. | |
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Graycap23 said: vainandy said: Even though they were gone, I think their influence still lingered onto the "Sign O The Times" album. He had gotten into a 1960s vibe with them during "Around The World In A Day" and "Sign O The Times" definately has a 1960s vibe to some of it. Then he expanded even more with Eric Leeds and 1970s type horns. Before Wendy and Lisa, he had mainly been synth funk/rock (which I would have preferred he stayed for the rest of the 1980s). They kind of opened the doors for him exploring other things from other people that he might not have done without their influence. . . [Edited 7/5/06 14:39pm] I don't KNOW if I believe that. I don't know what was going on in that mind of Prince either. Just wondering though. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Even though they were gone, I think their influence still lingered onto the "Sign O The Times" album. He had gotten into a 1960s vibe with them during "Around The World In A Day" and "Sign O The Times" definately has a 1960s vibe to some of it. Then he expanded even more with Eric Leeds and 1970s type horns. Before Wendy and Lisa, he had mainly been synth funk/rock (which I would have preferred he stayed for the rest of the 1980s). They kind of opened the doors for him exploring other styles and instruments from other people that he might not have done without their influence. . . [Edited 7/5/06 14:40pm] I feel exactly as you do. The split in 1986 was a bit abrupt. In the track "In This Bed I Scream" I think Prince was admitting a mistake, or at least wanted a reconcilliation. | |
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EverlastingNow said: Spinlight said: They didn't have chemistry off-stage? Prince, Cat, and Sheila had several photoshoots done of just the 3 of them. They look like a triple threat powerhouse - like something great could come from those 3 people. They looked fierce. Unfortunately, it is Prince's RECENT bands that lack chemistry on or off stage. Ever since 1996, Prince has hired a revolving door of musicians who... really... I mean.... Who the fuck are they? I don't even know who is in the NPG right now. I mean I might know a handful of names, but those people are merely automatons to me. Okay, off stage chemistry meaning IN the studio, not how well they photographed together To play devil's advocate here, U don't think PRince and Sheila had chemistry in the studio together?  | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: EverlastingNow said: Okay, off stage chemistry meaning IN the studio, not how well they photographed together To play devil's advocate here, U don't think PRince and Sheila had chemistry in the studio together? Yes, absolutely. | |
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MartyMcFly said: sexxydancer said: kill me now,Revolution lovers, but the SOTT band was off da hook!
SOTT/Lovesexy band was far and away the best band he ever had! (IMHO) I truely agree to that! Lovesexy Band was fun. Glam slam Video captures that that most! We all want a big hit again because
we want to relive the Hysteria & Pandemonium we experienced when Purple Rain was Hot. Actually, he doesn't care if it happens again or not. | |
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Snake said: MartyMcFly said: SOTT/Lovesexy band was far and away the best band he ever had! (IMHO) I truely agree to that! Lovesexy Band was fun. Glam slam Video captures that that most! The Sign O The Times/Lovesexy band were a great band, but they looked very under the thumb, with no say-so whatsoever, at least I got the impression Wendy and Lisa had a say on things. | |
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I do think that when people refer to "The Revolution", they're talking about Wendy, Lisa and Matt Fink.
Bobby and Mark just come across as session players with no input. | |
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Spinlight said: They didn't have chemistry off-stage? Prince, Cat, and Sheila had several photoshoots done of just the 3 of them. They look like a triple threat powerhouse - like something great could come from those 3 people. They looked fierce.
Cat has been hugely undervalued for her contributions to the live shows, by the fans. The choreography of the Lovesexy Tour is amazing. | |
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NouveauDance said: Spinlight said: Unfortunately, it is Prince's RECENT bands that lack chemistry on or off stage. Ever since 1996, Prince has hired a revolving door of musicians who... really... I mean.... Who the fuck are they? I don't even know who is in the NPG right now. I mean I might know a handful of names, but those people are merely automatons to me.
F'real - It's been difficult to keep up with all the changes, so I haven't bothered - they're all pretty faceless, and don't stick around very long. no doubt. he's had a a few faux pas recently. let's namedrop shall we... Kat Dyson (Y was she ever on Emancipation) Kirky J. (Should stick 2 dancing,,, was like having Bobby Z.for NPG... wrong.) Cora Coleman Dunham (who?) Tamar Davis (What is the Big deal about her?!) All within the last decade. The TRC/Musicology band (sans Najee) was his best (yet shortest) band period in the last 10.years. Tried many flavours - but sooner or later, always go back to the Purple Kool-aid!
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Riverpoet31 said: No, he didnt.
- Bobby Z, mediocre drummer, disguised by the use of drummachines and electronic drums - Brown Mark, a mediocre, stiff bass-player, not very fluent I agree about Bobby Z. but Brown Mark was one of the funkiest bass players he ever had. In fact, Prince wanted him to stay but Mark opted out. Dont forget Prince expected the Revolution to play his music pretty much the way he wanted verbatim. | |
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Graycap23 said: vainandy said: I prefer Prince before what officially became known as The Revolution. Whether you consider "1999" the first album including The Revolution (because of the backwards letters "and the Revolution") or "Purple Rain" because of The Revolution being printed on the cover and all inside labels.....anyway, those two albums sounded mainly like Prince doing mostly everything without too much influence from other members.
On "Around The World In A Day" and "Parade", he sounded like he was greatly influenced by other members to the point that he was headed way off in different directions that were so far from the mainstream that he was losing a lot of his audience. He was never the same again but I think if he had held on to The Revolution, it would have eventually driven many more longtime fans away. . . [Edited 7/5/06 14:12pm] Just because you don't get it don't mean that it's not true. Without Wendy and Lisa we would have gotten the NPS album 3 years SOONER.
I agree. This whole W&L was the best thing 2 happen 2 Prince is just down right STUPID. | |
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Graycap23 said: vainandy said: Even though they were gone, I think their influence still lingered onto the "Sign O The Times" album. He had gotten into a 1960s vibe with them during "Around The World In A Day" and "Sign O The Times" definately has a 1960s vibe to some of it. Then he expanded even more with Eric Leeds and 1970s type horns. Before Wendy and Lisa, he had mainly been synth funk/rock (which I would have preferred he stayed for the rest of the 1980s). They kind of opened the doors for him exploring other things from other people that he might not have done without their influence. . . [Edited 7/5/06 14:39pm] I don't KNOW if I believe that. Then if you don't believe it why don't you actually research some things before you start typing. The SOTT album was pretty much DONE before the Revolution broke up. He didn't break up the Revolution and then all of a sudden sit down and write the SOTT album. | |
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EverlastingNow said: Graycap23 said: I don't KNOW if I believe that. Then if you don't believe it why don't you actually research some things before you start typing. The SOTT album was pretty much DONE before the Revolution broke up. He didn't break up the Revolution and then all of a sudden sit down and write the SOTT album. Because most of u don't know wthat the hell u are talking about. It's funny and sad and the same time. | |
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Graycap23 said: EverlastingNow said: Then if you don't believe it why don't you actually research some things before you start typing. The SOTT album was pretty much DONE before the Revolution broke up. He didn't break up the Revolution and then all of a sudden sit down and write the SOTT album. Because most of u don't know wthat the hell u are talking about. It's funny and sad and the same time. Actually, Graycap, Everlasting is right, Wendy and Lisa did have a lot of input into most of the tracks on SOTT...after he disbanded the Revolution, he re-recorded a lot of those songs, and the only reason we know that, is because of the outtakes and bootlegs floating around, like the original version of Strange Relationship, etc. | |
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Graycap23 said: EverlastingNow said: Then if you don't believe it why don't you actually research some things before you start typing. The SOTT album was pretty much DONE before the Revolution broke up. He didn't break up the Revolution and then all of a sudden sit down and write the SOTT album. Because most of u don't know wthat the hell u are talking about. It's funny and sad and the same time. ANYtime you want to talk about Prince I will gladly school you on the subject. Your total lack of knowledge on the subject is what's sad. | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: Graycap23 said: Because most of u don't know wthat the hell u are talking about. It's funny and sad and the same time. Actually, Graycap, Everlasting is right, Wendy and Lisa did have a lot of input into most of the tracks on SOTT...after he disbanded the Revolution, he re-recorded a lot of those songs, and the only reason we know that, is because of the outtakes and bootlegs floating around, like the original version of Strange Relationship, etc. I would love to hear the outtakes of SOTT . Yes Wendy did said that she and Lisa along with Prince had heavy input on Dream Factory which became SOTT. Wendy also said tht she was hurted when she heard the final product of SOTT and had a whole different vision than what she thought it would be. | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: Graycap23 said: Because most of u don't know wthat the hell u are talking about. It's funny and sad and the same time. Actually, Graycap, Everlasting is right, Wendy and Lisa did have a lot of input into most of the tracks on SOTT...after he disbanded the Revolution, he re-recorded a lot of those songs, and the only reason we know that, is because of the outtakes and bootlegs floating around, like the original version of Strange Relationship, etc. Understand something, I am FULLY aware of W&L's impact on prince's music but some of these people are UNDER the impression that they MADE Prince. It's B U L L S H I T plain and simple. | |
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EverlastingNow said: Graycap23 said: Because most of u don't know wthat the hell u are talking about. It's funny and sad and the same time. ANYtime you want to talk about Prince I will gladly school you on the subject. Your total lack of knowledge on the subject is what's sad. That's down right comical. Thanks for the laugh. | |
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I love Wendy and Lisa and all but as for me I love Prince more and I like his music before they came along and work together. So my love for Prince didn't stop after he fired them even though in my opinion his music started to decline around 1996 and that is wayy long after they left.
Like I said I would love for the Revolution of 1983-86 to make another record again and they can do it without Prince, but likely because of legal reasons they would have to use a different name. | |
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Graycap23 said: EverlastingNow said: ANYtime you want to talk about Prince I will gladly school you on the subject. Your total lack of knowledge on the subject is what's sad. That's down right comical. Thanks for the laugh. Great way to avoid the point. Like I said, I may be a Wendy and Lisa fan but I've been a hardcore Prince fan since 1979 so don't embarass yourself by assuming I don't know Prince's music. | |
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