From emaciated, malnourished, sallow Prince to Queen Carlotta in a matter of minutes. Only on the org. Ya gotta love it!

It's impossible to be a true vegan in our culture. Black and white abolitionists, like John Brown, fought and killed people who owned slaves or even supported American slavery. Although extreme, without their absolute zero tolerance of slavery, where would some of us be today? Are vegans going to kill their friends and family who eat meat to advance a cruelty free society? I don't think so.

Philosopy v. Life.

Some of us give ourselves a break and acknowledge that we are in the world and not of the world. We can philosophically 100% support vegetarianism/veganism and yet fail to meet the mark every time. And, hence can still call ourselves whatever.

It's like being a humanist and a pacifist yet we still choose to live in America and pay our tax dollars which help kill, torture, and terrorize others (and ourselves, ironically). We choose not to kill (... or just work day and night to impeach) our warmongering leaders because that in itself would be "diffcult" -- even though that might save many more hundreds of thousands of lives.

Live your life the best you can, and take the opportunity to help others in their journey also when the opportunity rises. And show people (and animals) some compassion).

GangstaFam said:

Look at that PELT!

Anx said:

Ohhhh I see London, I see France!! Spread those legs, baby! I want meat and potatoes!

okay, now i'm lost here because ya'll have gone totally obscure on my ass.

GoZero said:

You make some good points, though unfortunately they support an inaccurate point.

You're maintaining vegetarianism/veganism is impossible by comparing it to abolition and slavery. That's an inaccurate comparison to make, though I can see how some hardliners on both sides of the issue would attempt to make that analogy. Radical animal rights activists do compare their cause to that of abolitionists, and those who are radically opposed to their cause follow the "all or nothing" logic in their arguments.

But that's not what it has to be about.

For me - and for a lot of people I know and have known in the past - vegetarianism is a PERSONAL commitment and a very important INDIVIDUAL discipline. I don't avoid eating meat because I'm trying to get the world to become like me. I do it because I believe it's right - FOR ME - and if my actions influence someone else (which has happened more than once), all the better.

I only agree with you in that coersion is not a guaranteed method for success.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

GangstaFam said:

Don't bother with the head, it's the V of my crotch that needs attention! GET IT, GET IT, GEEET IIIITTT!!!!

Anx said:

...but how do we know for sure that he was eating chicken? Every time I eat an eggplant parm, someone assumes it's chicken cutlet. Same thing with tofu dishes. Could be that what was "seen and heard" was less than accurate.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

It's still fun though.

Anx said:

Yeah! Yeah! Strip faster! Let's see some private areas!

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

they're lines from "desperate living" in which john waters had edith massey ad lib dirty talk during a sex scene.

Anx said:

She's my hero.

GangstaFam said:

oh, she was one of the bestest! mary vivian is my favorite, but edith is always up there on the list!

Anx said:

Her "Murder merely relieves tension" speech is one of the most hysterical things I've ever heard.

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GoZero said:

GoZero said:

So we agree to agree (on some points)!

GoZero said:[quote]

Anx said:

we probably agree less than you may like to think, but yes.

GangstaFam said:

my favorite line of hers (for god knows WHAT reason) is in 'multiple maniacs', when she says:

"Oh, Mr. David, I want to perform ACTS with you! Oh, God! God DAMN it!"

Anx said:

Still haven't seen that one. Would love to. Do you have it on DVD?

GangstaFam said:

i wish! i have a store-bought copy on VHS. you can find it on ebay on DVD as bootleggage, but i'm holding out for something more official.

hey hey i'm a veggie and i'm heading towards being a vegan nothing wrong with that but as 4 prince? well he'll get on the boat again watch!

Anx said:

Maybe we can watch it next time I'm there.

GangstaFam said:

that would be a hoot.

Anx said:

My post was just to argue agaist those who suggest that you cannot be vegetarian and still eat meet in public as Prince has been reported to do. It's like being an American pacifist.

GoZero said:

your point is flawed. it's like saying "you don't need to have a baby in your belly to be pregnant. as long as you like babies, there's nothing wrong with saying you're pregnant."

you either are or you aren't!

it's not a moral point i'm making, it's simple definition.

why do so many people wanna call themselves vegetarians when they wanna eat meat? believe me, the label doesn't get you a whole lot of prestige.

if prince can eat fish and be called a vegetarian, then i reserve the right to label myself a rock legend. why? because i believe in rock!
[Edited 6/30/06 10:41am]

Ok, I'm bored and I had a sucky day, so I'll play "what's Princey eating these days?"

I'd say he favors a vegetarian diet, but occasionally eats a bit of fish. I have never heard tell of a single morsel of chicken passing his lips during his veggie days. He may have tried strict veganism for a time and it may not have suited him.

As far as accepting recognition for it or talking about it, I don't think he's done that for quite a while. What with all that's said about him in various places, I don't think setting the record straight is a priority for him. Even during the hip controversy all that was said is that he wasn't having surgery. These days he probably doesn't think about explaining what he's eating one way or the other.

Well I guess he appreciates a good pizza?!

(Anxy's favorite pic! Did he actually eat any of it?)

Another good example of my point is being a Christian; it doesn't mean you don't sin, it just means you see christianity as the ideal.

But for someone who is only concerned about individual and personal choices, you seem to be getting your panties all twisted about what other people do.

Our president has a different idea about the rule of law than his own court appointees. Not everyone is in the same place in life.
[Edited 6/30/06 19:10pm]

CandaceS said:

I just ordered a veggie (w/o cheese) pizza for dinner tonight from an old Sicilian joint down the street. It's called variety. Italian and many other mediterranians have cuisine with a wide variety of purely veggie options. For instance, they use olive oil in many case instead of butter.

GoZero said:

I had a delicious Veggie Sicilian Pizza a few days ago and I swear by various mediterranian dishes. There are many options for us vegetarians and vegans.