REDFEATHERS said:

Is he? He's so horribly hideous and thinks he's God's gift to women, cheats on his wife and rides on the coat-tails of younger hip artist just so he can desperately still try and be 'cool' but his worst crime to humanity was what he did to "Kiss"!!

That's was just unforgivable!

Sorry if he's a fave of yours but I really hate the guy. If I saw him across the street I'm not sure I would be able to stop myself from punching him in his ugly face!

Ok, rant over, damn I need a Jack and Coke!
No Britney, hon, I said COKE goddamit!

jnoel said:

Please never ever mention Diana AND Tom Jones in the same sentence
Just the mention of their names...

marilyn said:

True Marilyn,the only decent song he did is "it's not unusual"imo
I think that he's the worst singer of the world (he's Robbie Williams's model, that says a lot hehe), his cover of "Killing me softly"

jnoel said:

I have to leave the room if TJ comes on the TV or radio. barf

THE GAME is the corporate bullshit TRL,Clear Channel crap
which has nothing to do with Tom Jones,since his cover of
"Kiss" was like 15 years ago

of course Prince Cares.any Artist that has had that Level of Success as he has had in the past wants it again.but I think that what is out there isn't motivating Him to go after it.when Prince Came out He wanted to Get at Michael Jackson He wanted to Get at Stevie Wonder,He wanted to Get at Rick James,He wanted to Get at Earth,Wind&fire,George CLinton&Crew&WHomever else was out at the time.then He wanted to get at the Time.Competition was so Strong that it brought that Hungry Drive&will to going all out.now you fast forward to now&while the Want is there who is gonna draw a Musical rise out of Him that is a Newer Artist over the past Decade??all those Artists that I Mentioned above probably all feel the same about Acts out now IMHO.

hey...Elvis has been dead for how long?? and he's got a hit climbing the charts...so...I guess you're never too far gone..hehe
hey carrie! here ya go babe LOL!

What a stupid question. In the music BUSINESS no one is out of it. The industry can make any artist into a star if they managed him or her a certain way. What does Brittany Spears and NSync have that the average little kid on the block in the inner city doesnt have in great abundance? A record contract and bid industry dollars to back it. Prince is not going to get that in his current situation. The industry doesnt have room for real talent and real musicians. This is why we have boys bands and rap winning Grammies as if they were true artists. IN the 80s, real artists were recognized in pop music: Prince, Micheal Jackson, Springsteen, Tina Turner, Sting, etc. The value system that maintained the popularity of this artists has eroded to the the point that ignorant ghetto music and mindless techno pop is the order of the day.

Thanks TheWar for the Radiohead example. Can anyone think of others who've had success in mainstream with a non-mainstream sound?

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Anyway, MistrMaxxx that's a good point. I rarely quote the Bible since I don't subscribe to religion but there's a Proverb that says "as iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpen's another."

A competitive field of peers is crucial, but sometimes you have to compete with yourself. Can Prince even rival himself now??? I don't know ...

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[This message was edited Wed Jul 31 15:25:56 PDT 2002 by SynthiaRose]

SynthiaRose said:

Thank You&that was a Strong Quote as well.Peace

Prince, does as "he" needs...If that was his main goal, then he would still B making that sound 4 radio friendly ears as well as the masses/pop-market & $$$ reasons...But thats why hes Prince. Greats/Real artist's go left when all others go 2 the right.

The great ones always "see" what others don't or "understand" what some can't figure out. Its a gift & wisdom from above that made Miles who he was, Trane who he was, Marley etc..certain artist have a great overall sense of importance about there music as a "whole". Rather then B fixed only on trying 2 get the 1# spot on Billboard.

They tap in2 that deep vision of whats lurking within them & create long lasting works that are timeless & are meaningful. "Genius" is why certain artist have that word linked 2 them as if it were apart of there name.

But in sayin this...yes that spells out, not being whats deemed "mainstream" ala "popular". But 2 the true artist, they would rather die, then 2 not believe in what they create from the soul. Yeah, thats truly when U know U have transcended music...that's why Prince is on a short list of (True Greats/Genius's).

He may not have that pop bite many want, or play by the rulez that are now being looked at as a set-trap, but he's staying true 2 "self." I would love 4 him 2 do this or that...but hey, I know it's his party & not mines. So knowing hes on a mission from the spirit, I just respect that & wish him the best on his journey...& if he still makin music that touchs my soul...then thats just the sprinkles on top.

The true artist will always do what others say they shouldn't.They reach far deeper & push past there limits or walls in ways normal music loving folks can't imagine. Not all was meant 4 us 2 understand...So take-in what feeds your music loving souls and have no worries about the rest.

Sellin mega-millions don't mean your great, but it does mean its just another "stat".

I think we would all love to see P back in the charts doing well. having said that, take a look at people like David Bowie & Bob Dylan. These two guys are considered to be the best at their game and have always been thought of so. Bowie and Dylan innovated, invented, created...whatever you want to call it. their somgs have been covered by billions of other artists. They started out being fresh and exciting, new and innovative.

Then things got weird. Bowie started doing stadium rock like "Let's Dance" and that Tin Machine band he fronted (remember them? i actually liked it). Dylan went all Jesus on us and he still hasn't looked back. The greatest songwriter of the last century even started using synthesizers and drum machines. Needless to say, a lot of folks wrote them off. Washed UP!!!

But somwhere in the 90's, both of these cats released albums that blew everyone away. Bowie bounced back with the Outside and Earthling albums. Dylan unleashed Oh Mercy, Unplugged, Time Out Of Mind & Love & Theft. They are back!

You watch...somewhere along the line, somehow, Prince is gonna knock us out with some tight ass groove he's got locked in that purple vault of his and WHAMMO!!! People are gonna say he is still a bad ass and it's as if he never stopped being one. I mean really, he's just as important to pop music as David Bowie and Bob Dylan ever were. Anybody out there disagree?

NO! He just has to give a song like "SuperCute" to say someone like ummm, Usher. Use one of his mystery producer names, so no one knows its him, and the whole world will know when Usher accepts the Grammy or AMA for Song Of The Year and say: "First of all, I'd like to thank Prince for the song" then we can all sit back and watch the whole worlds mouths drop. Think bout' it, Usher doing "SuperCute". Prince just needs to give one of his gems to a "commercial" superstar, just to say "I still have it, I just don't think yawl are worthy of it." IMHO

Prince can still be a big hit on the charts with any one of the gems hidden in the vault. He probably has number 1 hits in there that he feels are too old yet they are most likely better than anything out there now. The shelved "High Album" is what he should have released over TRC. The High Album would have been just what he needed to put him back in the top 10 on the charts. Just imagine hearing Supercute, High, When Lay My Hands On U, Underneath The Cream, Peace, My Medallion or any others songs on the album. The High Album had the old Prince on it with some good music, funk, and that old Prince sexual nastiness. I think he shelved the album because Larry told him the sexual content wasn't what a JW would put out. BIG MISTAKE Prince. You definitely would have had a hit album on your hands with the "High Album" Prince. I still have faith in Prince and his music and I know one day he will surprise us all. Prince, just don't keep all the great stuff to yourself. Listen to your fans who believe in you and not those that surround you. Prince believe in yourself and feel confident with what you want to release and don't let all those "yes men" fool you.

YES...unless it happens as a fluke like Tom Jones(kiss)

Why are some fans so obsessed with the mainstream?
Mainstream success usually means being controlled like a puppet. I'm glad Prince ain't into the fakeness of the "mainstream" anymore.
Too bad some of you equate success with being on ET or Extra or Access Hollywood every other night.

shygirl said:

Precisely, Shygirl.

Supernova said:

I agree as well. And may I add some lyrics to a song that explains Prince's feeling on the matter

"I don't care to win awards
All I wanna do is dance, play music sex romance
and try my best to never get bored."

I think as long as he can put music out that he wants to put out, he's happy with whatever sales he can get out of it.

javed said:

It does seem doubtful... but I'm not going to say it's impossible. Meat Loaf and Santana come to mind.

milty said:

Those albums might have been acclaimed by the critics, but did any of them achieve commercial success? Maybe Dylan's Time out of Mind was, but the others? In fact, I seem to recall reading that Bowie's Earthling was a commercial disappointment.

:hugs:

Damn it didn't work.

[This message was edited Thu Aug 1 1:58:28 PDT 2002 by tiger2]

JamieeStarr said:

yeah P could give another ballad ( à la "With You") to Celine Dion for instance.

you're probably right but it was a critical success and he even had a grammy nomination for it.

matt said:

"Earhling"sold well enough. A commercial disappointment is such an awfully irrational concept. Remember when "Dangerous" (yes, the Michael Jackson album) was released it was right away declared as a flop when it started falling off the charts? Well, for years some sources talked the total sales of 4 million. Whereas in fact the album might have crossed close to 25 million.

Most people just don't keep their figures updates. Even "Rave" sold reasonable well across the globe. It certainly was a flop considering Prince's huge advance sum given by Arista, but are we really going to blame 'em for that?

"...does it matter? Wow."

marilyn said:

not a fave of mine, just showing that some oldies are still around...