ThreadBare said:

You're giving that girl waaay too much credit. Yes, Prince had been off of the mainstream radar, but that's because that's not where he wanted to be.

Had he done the same performance sans Ms. Bootylicious, he'd have had the same resurgence, because people were just genuinely happy to see him. Beyonce was nothing more than a shrieking prop. I don't care how popular or culturally relevent she is.

HoneymoonXpress said:

Yeah they are....

But that's besides the point...I for one don't believe she meant the comments in that manner...Of course, that's just me...

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Good one!

laurarichardson said:

Prince hadn't even had as much visibility as Sting, before that.

My point is about relevance and popularity. Most teens couldn't care less about Prince, even after his resurgence.

murph said:

I agree...

Too bad she was actually convinced because performing with shit hop trash like her was a disgrace for Prince.

vainandy said:

Shit Hop? I always thought she was R&B...You guys are reacting worst than hardcore MJ fans who jump on anyone who seemingly doesn't kiss our boy's ass....It's not that serious....

Yeah i gotta admit that's kinda rubbin me wrong too. he isn't saying she was nervous or humbled at the opportunity it's kinda like she wasn't musically smart enough to realize what that performance was going to mean. i really don't think young artists or whatever u wanna call them, realize what Prince is to music. they feel they can just carry the torch off because they come out, have huge publicity machines, thus they have instant hits, but they don't respect the ones that have come before them in terms of content, not just image. Of course Beyonce had heard of Prince and knew a few of his songs, she's an 80's baby! But I bet its not until after that performance that she realized he runs alot deeper than Purple Rain. Because nowadays its all about the image not the real content. No matter how big P's ego grows, no one can deny that he not only studied the image of his predecessors but he really studied their musical content to show himself approved. that's whats missing today.



I also agree with you adoreable2.....bitch please...but whoa that was some deep shit you just said...real deep..

do you sleep straight up or do you dream in w's?

Nuff respect.
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Current R&B has been shit hop for years. Same sound.....weak ass midtempo drum machines, stripped down music, and samples.

I'm fine with people that don't kiss Prince's ass. I'm a huge Rick James fan and he hated Prince. When it comes to current mainstream R&B performers, yeah, they need to kiss Prince's ass, sit their asses down, and let the real musicians take back over.

ThreadBare said:

I think you're both missing the point. Beside looking pretty with a hugh ass Beyonce isn't much of a musical talent. All her songs have the same kindergarden sounding melody's to me....but I'm old school....I could be wrong. I think we all have to acknowledge the fact, whether we like it or not that she happens to be the hottest thing in music(why I don't know), so they had to pair her with the most significant artist of the 80's. His Royal Baddness...

The Bitch should have been honoured to polish his high heeled boots much less share the spotlight with his royal highness.

vainandy said:

But I'm able to decipher bullshit R&B like Avant from an above average talent like that Beyonce chick....Even if I think the production of some of her songs are tepid and just plain silly("Check On It" is one of the dumbest tracks I've ever heard in my life), I can give props to the fun energy and undeniable groove of say "Crazy In Love.." The girl has talent; she has some strong chops, when she's not oversinging....Whether she uses her talents in a more consistent manner is another question....

As far as R&B being shit hop, I will agree with that...But the same can be said about rock and hip-hop...That's just the state of music.....

this thread is off the hook...anybody got any popcorn?

dseann said:

Actually, amigo, after saying my point was off-target, you repeated it as your own.

A voice is the last thing that catches my ear when I listen to music. The first things that attract me to a song are the drums and bass. The things that give the song rhythm and make it funky. (There is practically NO funk these days). As far as shitty rockers these days goes, I could care less about them because they aren't what's keeping funk out, shit hop is.

ThreadBare said:

Really, so how exactly did Beyonce do do Prince a favor by performing with him? I don't agree with that...

That was worse then doing American Idol. P shoulda never got on stage with her. It was awful....
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I totally agree. At least on "American Idol" he didn't interact with anyone. In 2004, he was running around talking about the state of today's music and then he turned around and actually performed with the enemy.

sosgemini said:

lilgish said:

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

tank you...

dseann said:

Because, as you said, she's the hottest thing in music right now...

ThreadBare said:

Then she didn't do him much of a favor, did she??...lol

Byron said:

You're wellbeyond your usual sarcasm tonight, aren't you?

ThreadBare said:

Wasn't it said that the show was about pairing the old with the new?
Asking her to perform with the most significant artist of the 80's was doing the hottest artist of the 80's a favor...or was that conforming to the show's theme?

I think we would both agree that modern R&B has gone to shit...so how could pairing the best of shit with the best of the best be doing the best of the best a favor?

dseann said:

I'm trying to look at it objectively, dseann. I'm no fan of Beyonce's music. I think she actually squanders her songwriting and singing abilities -- but she also seems to be the most successful singer-actress for her market.

Not everyone liked Prince's music in the 1980s. We sometimes romanticize his history and influence. No one disputes his talent, but many dispute his "place in history" as being "the best of the best" from that era. I think most would put him behind MJ and Madonna for that period.

But recognize that many people felt the same about Prince back then as you apparently do about Beyonce right now.

It's all relative.

HoneymoonXpress said:

What musical and historical importance?

ThreadBare said:

Listen I just to argue about Prince with people who have knowledge of the artist.. Don't take it personal.
There aren't too many places where I can engage in these discussions so I get real passionate when I do.
Like you I think Beyonce needs to get with some real producers to maximize her potential as does Monica who has a killer voice with lame songs..but I can't fix the industry.
Don't take my comments personal....I'm just living a dream here.

dseann said:

Nothing was taken personally, bruh.

You're right about Monica. The same could have applied, at times, to En Vogue, back in the day.

ThreadBare said:

Favor my ass and yo' ass need to get real.Beyonce couldn't be a pimple off of Prince's ass. I like her ok but Prince could've turned that muthaf**a out without her. If she was so great how come nobody raved about her performance alone when she sang Dangerously in Love" and before that when she sang the Star-Spangled Banner how come the same thing that happened for Whitney didn't happen for her and the public demand request for the song and it become a single. Miss I did Prince such a favor. Shit! Prince went on to do his thing with the Musicology tour and everything after without Miss B on stage with him. Beyonce has yet to have a top-selling tour whether it be her or Destiny' Child. Favor my ass.