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PrintableAdisa said: Alexandernvrmind said: why are you hating ?uestlove...he is a tremendouse drummer. There aint nothing average about him. Gedt tired of you people hating against someone like him. He clearly is a Prince head. A fan like all of us here...and his comments here were not a critisism...they were more of an observation and a funny one at that. Some of you really need to lighten up. ?uestlove average???!! That is absurd...pure hateration!...and why? Hes one of us Nobody's hating anybody so sit yo azz down.  I'm not defending Prince, either, and I don't give a cat's coochie who ?uestlove is a fan of. IMHO ?eustlove is an average drummer, at best. YOUR opinion may be different. Do you know what "they" say about opinions?  yeah you can have an opinion but it still can be a weak one. I don't know of a muscian in the business who thinks ?uestlove is average. One either you know nothing about music or drummers for that matter or two your a hater. Saying ?uestlove is an average drummer is the equivalent of some Clay Aiken fan saying Prince is an average guitar player. Its smacks of hating and catty bitchiness aside from being a pretty shitty opinion...that goes for you and Graycap [Edited 6/22/06 23:07pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: Adisa said: Nobody's hating anybody so sit yo azz down. I'm not defending Prince, either, and I don't give a cat's coochie who ?uestlove is a fan of. IMHO ?eustlove is an average drummer, at best. YOUR opinion may be different. Do you know what "they" say about opinions? yeah you can have an opinion but it still can be a weak one. I don't know of a muscian in the business who thinks ?uestlove is average. One either you know nothing about music or drummers for that matter or two your a hater. Saying ?uestlove is an average drummer is the equivalent of some Clay Aiken fan saying Prince is an average guitar player. Its smacks of hating and catty bitchiness aside from being a pretty shitty opinion...that goes for you and Graycap [Edited 6/22/06 23:07pm] Indeed....While everyone has a right to their own opinion, when you make statements like such and such is "average" you have to expound on your comment...Give a reason as to why you think ?uestlove is an average drummer; Most of the folks that comment negatively about ?uestlove most of the time have an axe to grind with hip-hop...Trust me, if folks gave a valid reason to such comments, I could at least respect their opinion. The interesting part is most folks have never seen the man play drums live before...And if they have its only been with the Roots, not exactly a platform to display exspansive drumming since the music tends to be pretty straight forward and boom-bap driven...You should check out the man's outside work with other artists and you will begin to understand why he's become a go-to session drummer...I could give a damn if he's a Prince fan...The man is a good drummer.....Plain and simple | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: Adisa said: Nobody's hating anybody so sit yo azz down. I'm not defending Prince, either, and I don't give a cat's coochie who ?uestlove is a fan of. IMHO ?eustlove is an average drummer, at best. YOUR opinion may be different. Do you know what "they" say about opinions? yeah you can have an opinion but it still can be a weak one. I don't know of a muscian in the business who thinks ?uestlove is average. One either you know nothing about music or drummers for that matter or two your a hater. Saying ?uestlove is an average drummer is the equivalent of some Clay Aiken fan saying Prince is an average guitar player. Its smacks of hating and catty bitchiness aside from being a pretty shitty opinion...that goes for you and Graycap [Edited 6/22/06 23:07pm] Pot calling the kettle, dontcha think. But I'll indulge you a little bit, since it seems you have a hardon for big black men with afros. First I started playing drums and percussion (with professional training) at the age of 12, buddy, about 20 years ago. So  . I don't play anymore. In fact I sit down at a kit about once a year just to stay loose. I gave it up to study guitar and piano (which I played in a jazz and concert ensemble), then came bass. That's been over 10 years now. Are you able to see the trend here, Sherlock?
Finally, I can name about 500 drummers, professional or otherwise, that, again, In MY opinion, can smoke ?uestlove, which in my mind places him in the average category. No, I'm not hating on dude...but it sure seems you're willing to hate on anybody that doesn't agree with you.  [Edited 6/23/06 6:25am] I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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murph said: The man is a good drummer.....Plain and simple
I never said he wasn't.  Just said he wasn't "awesome" or "great".I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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sosgemini said: XxAxX said: right there  im gonna kill you... i was totally on the phone trying to set up an account for the campaign and right as i read your post and busted up lauging the person picked up the phone.  i loves me some sosgemini! | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: yeah you can have an opinion but it still can be a weak one. I don't know of a muscian in the business who thinks ?uestlove is average. One either you know nothing about music or drummers for that matter or two your a hater. Saying ?uestlove is an average drummer is the equivalent of some Clay Aiken fan saying Prince is an average guitar player. Its smacks of hating and catty bitchiness aside from being a pretty shitty opinion...that goes for you and Graycap [Edited 6/22/06 23:07pm] These comments are so stooped in ignorance that I'm at a lost 4 words. Let me be CLEAR: for a professional drummer, Questlove is A V E R A G E. There is NOTHING great about it. That lil silly ass "hater" comment does NOT apply. I dig Quest and I dig the Roots. To say that he is GREAT means you don't know SHIT about drumming. Since I am a musician and have been for over 20 years I'll LET that that silly ass comment go about not knowing anything about music. I'm done. [Edited 6/23/06 7:10am] | |
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BSK3601 said: I'm willing to bet that those of you shitting on ?uest have never been to a Roots show or witnessed one of his solo performances.
As someone who has seen him drum more than a shitload of times all I can say is that he's an average drummer... Terry Bozzio he ain't... How in the hell could such an "average" drummer have jammed (in studio/on stage) with everyone from Prince, to John Mayer, to Jason Mraz, to Fiona Apple, MeShell Ndegeocello, to Erykah Badu, to Herbie Hancock, to Al Green, to Earth Wind & Fire, to Cassandra Wilson.... aww fuck it.
A resume doesn't say shit about one's talents... Madonna has worked with a shitload of talented people, that doesn't automatically mean that she also has an exhuberant amount of talent... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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I could give a damn if he's a Prince fan...The man is a good drummer.....
Murph I know I don't have to explain this to you but for others. My comments about ? being one of us have more to do with being hospitable when people talk about him and not being so "bitchy" I mean some here in this thread read his comments as if he was criticising Prince. Thats hilarious because he was doing nothing of the sort. He is after all one of us...hes family...why be nasty when referring to him as a lot of these rock heavy fans are. Hes has posted on this board a number of times as I'm sure you know. It would just seem to me that we might be a bit kinder to one of our own especially since Prince gets it from all sides outside of his niche of fans. I agree with you about ? and people forming an opinion about him based on their negative feeling for hip hop but sometimes I'm amazed at the lack of depth and thought that people give to an opinion. ? is much more than the roots and even if people are just referring to his work with them there still is an undercurrent of hateration as if somehow you are slighting other drummers by saying ? is good. Hell its clear he is good...and even clearer that he is far from average. [Edited 6/23/06 10:33am] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Funny that he mentions Bowie, because he really fucks up some lyrics quite often! I have this great recording of an Heathen-era gig, when he performs "The Bewlay Bros." for the first time again. He does this little speech and he's turning page over page of his lyric book, saying "there's more words in this than in Tolstoji's "War and Peace" - now I wish all of us the best". He gets through it without mistakes, but I thought it was quite funny. | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: [. Hell its clear he is good...and even clearer that he is far from average.
[Edited 6/23/06 10:33am] Yes.....he is a good average professional drummer. | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: I could give a damn if he's a Prince fan...The man is a good drummer.....
Murph I know I don't have to explain this to you but for others. My comments about ? being one of us have more to do with being hospitable when people talk about him and not being so "bitchy" I mean some here in this thread read his comments as if he was criticising Prince. Thats hilarious because he was doing nothing of the sort. He is after all one of us...hes family...why be nasty when referring to him as a lot of these rock heavy fans are. Hes has posted on this board a number of times as I'm sure you know. It would just seem to me that we might be a bit kinder to one of our own especially since Prince gets it from all sides outside of his niche of fans. I agree with you about ? and people forming an opinion about him based on their negative feeling for hip hop but sometimes I'm amazed at the lack of depth and thought that people give to an opinion. ? is much more than the roots and even if people are just referring to his work with them there still is an undercurrent of hateration as if somehow you are slighting other drummers by saying ? is good. Hell its clear he is good...and even clearer that he is far from average. [Edited 6/23/06 10:33am] It's all good homie.... | |
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Quest wasn't dissing Prince he was stating the truth. I remember when Questlove was interviewing D'Angelo and he asked D did he remember when Prince forgot the words to the bridge of Ballad of Dorothy Parker and Questlove was like "but we had his back though" Questlove has the utmost respect for Prince he has so much respect and love for him, he can tell the truth! | |
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Graycap23 said: BSK3601 said: I'm willing to bet that those of you shitting on ?uest have never been to a Roots show or witnessed one of his solo performances. How in the hell could such an "average" drummer have jammed (in studio/on stage) with everyone from Prince, to John Mayer, to Jason Mraz, to Fiona Apple, MeShell Ndegeocello, to Erykah Badu, to Herbie Hancock, to Al Green, to Earth Wind & Fire, to Cassandra Wilson.... aww fuck it. I won't waste anymore time trying to show folks the light.  U would LOSE that bet times 10. Qlove is average at best.....sorry. For folks that say ?uestlove is an average drummer, listen to this http://therootslive.com/R..._03_20.mp3 taken from this show http://therootslive.com/a...71703.html also go listen to the first song of the second disc of the gilles peterson bbc session compliation double cd. he may come off as an average drummer at first, but that mostly because hes a drummer more focused on creating the right tone or groove instead of complex rthyms (eff speeling) but he can play complex ish ?uest if you want the links off the post then inbox me at okp -
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Pathetic fams; if someone's not licking Prince's balls with their comments, they take it as someone spitting in the face of Jesus. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Thank you and have a blessed weekend.[Edited 6/23/06 17:59pm] I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Prince treated Quest pretty bad, back in the day. I'd say Prince deserves anything he gets. Damn fams, who let them in here?
wat happened? and back to jay - i want to see that show sooo bad  Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Neversin said: BSK3601 said: I'm willing to bet that those of you shitting on ?uest have never been to a Roots show or witnessed one of his solo performances.
As someone who has seen him drum more than a shitload of times all I can say is that he's an average drummer... Terry Bozzio he ain't... How in the hell could such an "average" drummer have jammed (in studio/on stage) with everyone from Prince, to John Mayer, to Jason Mraz, to Fiona Apple, MeShell Ndegeocello, to Erykah Badu, to Herbie Hancock, to Al Green, to Earth Wind & Fire, to Cassandra Wilson.... aww fuck it.
A resume doesn't say shit about one's talents... Madonna has worked with a shitload of talented people, that doesn't automatically mean that she also has an exhuberant amount of talent... Neversin. Whatever... somebody with a resume that extensive is impressive and can't be classified as just average. That mofo is doing something right to have worked with so many. Madonna? that's a terrible example.... she's only worked with 4 talented people as far as I'm concerned. It's years later and I'm still blown away by the ending codas of "You Got Me" and "Break You Off"... To many, his technique may not look or sound that impressive but his range and ability to assimilate himself outside of a strictly a hip-hop context is. I've never heard of any other drummer of his celebrity who has been able to do the same within their own genres. In that context, he's definitely more than an AVERAGE drummer... | |
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BSK3601 said: Neversin said: A resume doesn't say shit about one's talents... Madonna has worked with a shitload of talented people, that doesn't automatically mean that she also has an exhuberant amount of talent... Neversin. Whatever... somebody with a resume that extensive is impressive and can't be classified as just average. That mofo is doing something right to have worked with so many. Madonna? that's a terrible example.... she's only worked with 4 talented people as far as I'm concerned. It's years later and I'm still blown away by the ending codas of "You Got Me" and "Break You Off"... To many, his technique may not look or sound that impressive but his range and ability to assimilate himself outside of a strictly a hip-hop context is. I've never heard of any other drummer of his celebrity who has been able to do the same within their own genres. In that context, he's definitely more than an AVERAGE drummer... Your knowledge of how the INDUSTRY works is very LIMITED. Let me give you an example in pro sports. How many coaches in the NBA have Championship rings? About 5 or 6. Yet there are a circle of 30 or so coaches that keep getting fired and rehired to lose on another team. Does this mean that they are TALENTED? Or does it mean they are a PART of the fraternity of coaches? Let's get back 2 Quest. To say that he is an average drummer is NOT an insult. There are very few professional drummers doing what Quest does, but that alone does NOT make him a great drummer. It's your perspective that is a bit off..... | |
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Graycap23 said: BSK3601 said: Whatever... somebody with a resume that extensive is impressive and can't be classified as just average. That mofo is doing something right to have worked with so many. Madonna? that's a terrible example.... she's only worked with 4 talented people as far as I'm concerned. It's years later and I'm still blown away by the ending codas of "You Got Me" and "Break You Off"... To many, his technique may not look or sound that impressive but his range and ability to assimilate himself outside of a strictly a hip-hop context is. I've never heard of any other drummer of his celebrity who has been able to do the same within their own genres. In that context, he's definitely more than an AVERAGE drummer... Your knowledge of how the INDUSTRY works is very LIMITED. Let me give you an example in pro sports. How many coaches in the NBA have Championship rings? About 5 or 6. Yet there are a circle of 30 or so coaches that keep getting fired and rehired to lose on another team. Does this mean that they are TALENTED? Or does it mean they are a PART of the fraternity of coaches? Let's get back 2 Quest. To say that he is an average drummer is NOT an insult. There are very few professional drummers doing what Quest does, but that alone does NOT make him a great drummer. It's your perspective that is a bit off.....  What you know about BSK3601 is limited to a name on a computer screen soreen so don't start giving me pretentious bullshit about how shit works... It ain't that deep.
I get it... yall don't think the man is that great... Fine... But the way I see it, your knowledge of Questlove and his craft is kinda limited. I still don't think the man is an average drummer. Either way life goes on... [Edited 6/26/06 10:15am] | |
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BSK3601 said: Graycap23 said: Your knowledge of how the INDUSTRY works is very LIMITED. Let me give you an example in pro sports. How many coaches in the NBA have Championship rings? About 5 or 6. Yet there are a circle of 30 or so coaches that keep getting fired and rehired to lose on another team. Does this mean that they are TALENTED? Or does it mean they are a PART of the fraternity of coaches? Let's get back 2 Quest. To say that he is an average drummer is NOT an insult. There are very few professional drummers doing what Quest does, but that alone does NOT make him a great drummer. It's your perspective that is a bit off..... What you know about BSK3601 is limited to a name on a computer screen soreen so don't start giving me pretentious bullshit about how shit works... It ain't that deep.
I get it... yall don't think the man is that great... Fine... But the way I see it, your knowledge of Questlove and his craft is kinda limited. I still don't think the man is an average drummer. Either way life goes on... [Edited 6/26/06 10:15am] Lol. U guys really need 2 lighten up. If u love the average drummer guy it's OK. It's NOT a crime. | |
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Graycap23 said: BSK3601 said: What you know about BSK3601 is limited to a name on a computer screen soreen so don't start giving me pretentious bullshit about how shit works... It ain't that deep.
I get it... yall don't think the man is that great... Fine... But the way I see it, your knowledge of Questlove and his craft is kinda limited. I still don't think the man is an average drummer. Either way life goes on... [Edited 6/26/06 10:15am] Lol. U guys really need 2 lighten up. If u love the average drummer guy it's OK. It's NOT a crime. It's not that deep. It's just the condescending comments that irk me... like that "Your knowledge is LIMITED" comment.. When you act like you're going to shed some light don't give me a story about basketball championships. That just seems like you really don't know what you're talking about and you're just spitting out an analogy in an attempt to sound "knowledgeable"
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BSK3601 said: Graycap23 said: Lol. U guys really need 2 lighten up. If u love the average drummer guy it's OK. It's NOT a crime. It's not that deep. It's just the condescending comments that irk me... like that "Your knowledge is LIMITED" comment.. When you act like you're going to shed some light don't give me a story about basketball championships. That just seems like you really don't know what you're talking about and you're just spitting out an analogy in an attempt to sound "knowledgeable"
But it's all gravy. Gravy and then some. Hollywood is like EVERY other business. Once u are in, U are in. It's fairly simple. My NBA story points out how CLEARLY that point is. Let's be honest. How many session druumers do what Quest does? (That has a rep for it?) | |
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