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Reply #90 posted 06/17/06 10:05pm

thebanishedone

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it apsolutely doesn't matter if i give subject like "prince is great on guitar,prince didnt practise then,prince fucked his guitar"
as long as people make a nice positive insights of prince's guitar stuff.
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Reply #91 posted 06/17/06 10:19pm

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So thebanishedone enjoys Prince's guitar playing ( as do I ) and enjoys discussing it....so do quite a few others. I don't see that he's written anything thats offensive to anyone. If people don't like the subjects he likes to discuss just don't read them....come on, why attack someone just because they're enthusiatic? Don't let 'em get ya down thebanishedone....keep on lovin' Prince's playing...talk about it all you like.
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Reply #92 posted 06/17/06 11:11pm

JesseDezz

thebanishedone said:

it apsolutely doesn't matter if i give subject like "prince is great on guitar,prince didnt practise then,prince fucked his guitar"
as long as people make a nice positive insights of prince's guitar stuff.


So, you can only post as long as people make a nice positive insights of prince's guitar stuff?"

Amazing...
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Reply #93 posted 06/17/06 11:13pm

JesseDezz

SDNafka said:

So thebanishedone enjoys Prince's guitar playing ( as do I ) and enjoys discussing it....so do quite a few others. I don't see that he's written anything thats offensive to anyone. If people don't like the subjects he likes to discuss just don't read them....come on, why attack someone just because they're enthusiatic? Don't let 'em get ya down thebanishedone....keep on lovin' Prince's playing...talk about it all you like.


Please see your way out of this rather spirited disagreement between myself and Mr. Banished.

Thank U. Maybe you should read the whole thread to see the nature of these posts before u try and add your 2 cents...
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Reply #94 posted 06/17/06 11:15pm

JesseDezz

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JesseDezz said:



All your threads seem to be some kind of justification for Prince's greatness as a guitar player. Guitar talk is always interesting, but can't you find something else to say besides "Prince wasn't practicing then" and the usual stuff you post. Or maybe you just can't spell anything else...

I could care the f**k less how old you are or how long you've been playing guitar. Don't care if you're from Serbia or Mars. Don't care if English is your second language - you could speak Wookie for all I care. I come to this board to read/enjoy posts. And your posts stink. And if that's not you posting the same crap over at Housequake, you must have an annoying twin...



yikes, what's YOUR problem? neutral

banishedone never struck me as all that

he doesn't always seem to know his shit (sorry), but so what?


As I stated before, this was between myself and thebanishedone and it wasn't all that - just a spirited disagreement. See your way out, please...
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Reply #95 posted 06/18/06 1:18am

SDNafka

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JesseDezz said:

SDNafka said:

So thebanishedone enjoys Prince's guitar playing ( as do I ) and enjoys discussing it....so do quite a few others. I don't see that he's written anything thats offensive to anyone. If people don't like the subjects he likes to discuss just don't read them....come on, why attack someone just because they're enthusiatic? Don't let 'em get ya down thebanishedone....keep on lovin' Prince's playing...talk about it all you like.


Please see your way out of this rather spirited disagreement between myself and Mr. Banished.


You've posted in a public forum, the purpose of which is to allow any members to comment on anything thats posted there. If its a private dispute then conduct it in private via orgnotes. So, no, i won't "see my way out".

Thank U. Maybe you should read the whole thread to see the nature of these posts before u try and add your 2 cents...


I have read the whole thread and I've already posted a couple of times so my 2 cents was added some time ago.....I'm into the dollars now.

Once again, if its a private discussion use orgnotes, thats what they're for. Otherwise you'll just have to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous comment....whether you approve or not.
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Reply #96 posted 06/18/06 1:43am

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thebanishedone said:

prince have limited tehniq??? are you crazy???
prince uses all the tehniqs other popular players use,except for tapping.
prince is a virtuoso in his own class and he is much much better then clapton.


Watch Purple Rain again. Whatch his hand during the solo at the end. He uses Tapping there. He can do it, and do it well he has.
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Reply #97 posted 06/18/06 1:47am

JPW

thisbediscream said:

thebanishedone said:

prince have limited tehniq??? are you crazy???
prince uses all the tehniqs other popular players use,except for tapping.
prince is a virtuoso in his own class and he is much much better then clapton.


Watch Purple Rain again. Whatch his hand during the solo at the end. He uses Tapping there. He can do it, and do it well he has.


sure, it's not difficult at all, but you DO realise Purple Rain isn't live, right?
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Reply #98 posted 06/18/06 2:12am

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JPW said:

thisbediscream said:



Watch Purple Rain again. Whatch his hand during the solo at the end. He uses Tapping there. He can do it, and do it well he has.


sure, it's not difficult at all, but you DO realise Purple Rain isn't live, right?


The recording was live. I know what they showed in the movie wasn't live, BUT when he played the song on Arsenio it was live. He tapped there too. So, I have to assume that when he recorded the song for the movie, he used the same technique..

I'm always right about these things, and even when I'm wrong, I coulda been right, so then, I'm still right. Right?
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Reply #99 posted 06/18/06 2:12am

JesseDezz

SDNafka said:[quote]

JesseDezz said:



You've posted in a public forum, the purpose of which is to allow any members to comment on anything thats posted there. If its a private dispute then conduct it in private via orgnotes. So, no, i won't "see my way out".

Thank U. Maybe you should read the whole thread to see the nature of these posts before u try and add your 2 cents...


I have read the whole thread and I've already posted a couple of times so my 2 cents was added some time ago.....I'm into the dollars now. - Yeah, very witty...can u smell the sarcasm?

Once again, if its a private discussion use orgnotes, thats what they're for. Otherwise you'll just have to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous comment....whether you approve or not.


What slings and arrows? U take yourself - and this thread - much too seriously. Relax and be of good cheer. Go have a pint on JesseDezz. It's a friggin' thread for goodness sakes...
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Reply #100 posted 06/18/06 2:17am

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BTW: who here remembers a little ditty called Peach. Heavy rocker with some heavy thrashing of a guitar by someone called prince.
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Reply #101 posted 06/18/06 3:08am

Rockability

thisbediscream said:

BTW: who here remembers a little ditty called Peach. Heavy rocker with some heavy thrashing of a guitar by someone called prince.



Its very simple Org. Prince might dress in pink and sing sometimes girlish.

He plays like a man. And a Superman at that. Quote it.
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Reply #102 posted 06/18/06 9:53am

thebanishedone

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sdnafka-big thank you smile

jessedez eek chill out,i dont have nothing against you,i was bitter on your acussations about me posting on housequake,which insn't true.
i never ever posted a topic on housequake.
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Reply #103 posted 06/18/06 10:18am

GustavoRibas

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SDNafka said:

I've gotta say that Eddie Van Halen is one of the great rock n' roll rhythm guitarists. I remember Levi Seacer Jnr saying in Guitar Player magazine a few years ago that he loved EVH because he was funky in a hard rock context.

As for prince being a virtuoso on guitar, no he's not. he's one the great guitar players in my opinion but virtuosity is about technical proficiency and Prince has a limited technique. Its his ears and imagination that make him a great guitar player. I'm sure Prince could become a virtuoso if he locked himself away and practiced for a year...but he's got better things to do.


- I couldnt agree more. That´s right!
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Reply #104 posted 06/18/06 8:02pm

JesseDezz

thebanishedone said:

sdnafka-big thank you smile

jessedez eek chill out,i dont have nothing against you,i was bitter on your acussations about me posting on housequake,which insn't true.
i never ever posted a topic on housequake.


It's all good - JesseDezz just forgot to take his meds, that's all wink Prince guitar talk is cool. I visited some other websites (like the fender guitar forums) and many of those cats don't take P seriously at all as a guitar player. They can't seem to get past the image.

Too sad...
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Reply #105 posted 06/18/06 8:26pm

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jessedez they cant stand prince because they know nothing about prince beyond 1999 and purple rain.they don't even know that he plays guitar
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Reply #106 posted 06/18/06 8:28pm

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but i think prince is elitist music.
it's not everybody cup of tea
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Reply #107 posted 06/18/06 8:28pm

JesseDezz

Y'know, some of them have actually said that - one person even thought Prince just used the guitar as a prop. This was around the time of the SNL "Fury" performance.
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Reply #108 posted 06/19/06 1:56am

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MajesticOne89 said:

luv4all7 said:



What the f is virtuoso?????


did you complete high school?? confused



well...the person used the word incorrectly in the sentence...I think they were referring to that.
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Reply #109 posted 06/19/06 6:04pm

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BobGeorge909 said:

MajesticOne89 said:



did you complete high school?? confused



well...the person used the word incorrectly in the sentence...I think they were referring to that.


lol i kno, me and him had a couple orgnotes about it. Its all good. But back to the subject, I think a lot of guitar players as jessedez pointed out dont take prince seriously as a guitar player. I've been taking lessons for about 2 years, and about a couple of months ago i asked my teacher ( a country player) if we could start playing some prince. He didn't kno any but he told me he would ask some friends that played guitar if they knew. The next lesson he told me that someone said this "why would anyone want to learn to play that? It's all effects." I was shocked, and felt lost, but in any case Prince is an excellent player. I don't think that people should critize his playing by the use of his effects or the simplicity of a solo/chord progression, but more on the arrangement, his use of creativeness to make unique sounds and other techniques he uses.
chill..prince doesnt like men being front row, makes it hard to sing the ballads
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Reply #110 posted 06/19/06 6:15pm

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prince guitar solo are not simple at all,especial his wah wah work.
give your teacher a homework to learn to play guitar solos on everlasting now 9rainbow children) or rainbow children solo,lets see if he could do it .
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Reply #111 posted 06/19/06 6:20pm

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thebanishedone said:

prince guitar solo are not simple at all,especial his wah wah work.
give your teacher a homework to learn to play guitar solos on everlasting now 9rainbow children) or rainbow children solo,lets see if he could do it .


Lmao he probably can't. But thats another thing. Half the people the judge P dont kno much about his material. The dude didn't kno about SOTT!!! eek I'm afraid to ask if he knows what Purple Rain is... neutral
chill..prince doesnt like men being front row, makes it hard to sing the ballads
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Reply #112 posted 06/19/06 6:45pm

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majesticman listen,some people rave that prince guitar solos are simple but usualy those are people who never bother to learn by ear to play his solos.
prince only have few simple solos-little red corvette,i like it there,gold,doplphin.
his other solos are not simple,not because of tehnic its because of strange note choices.
jimmy jam or terry lewis said"prince hears notes that other musicians don't hear:.
i absolutly agree.
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Reply #113 posted 06/19/06 6:51pm

MajesticOne89

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thebanishedone said:

majesticman listen,some people rave that prince guitar solos are simple but usualy those are people who never bother to learn by ear to play his solos.
prince only have few simple solos-little red corvette,i like it there,gold,doplphin.
his other solos are not simple,not because of tehnic its because of strange note choices.
jimmy jam or terry lewis said"prince hears notes that other musicians don't hear:.
i absolutly agree.


Pshhh you got that right
chill..prince doesnt like men being front row, makes it hard to sing the ballads
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Reply #114 posted 06/19/06 10:23pm

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ThreadBare said:

Prince is a very good guitar player. I've been trying to copy runs of his for decades.

But, "virtuoso," in my opinion, is better reserved for someone whose playing has had a bit more impact on guitar playing. Players such as Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Yngvie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Johnson, Django Reinhardt and George Benson seem best honored by such a label.

I would put Prince in a second tier of excellent players whose sense of phrasing and style are uniquely impressive -- even if their technique and scope aren't as radically affecting. Along with Prince, I'd put Birelli Lagrene, Eric Clapton, Phil Keaggy and Jesse Johnson (though, Phil and Jesse honestly would fit into that virtuoso category. They're both that good).



Amen. Prince definately has his own thing going on, original, playful -- kind of does stuff on the axe like a toy, which purists would frown on, he's great...but he's not a virtuoso. That's a whole other level, reserved for Vai, Satriani, etc. Technique-wise, there is no comparison, and some folks on this board should see some of their performances to get an idea of what the next level is. If guitar-tonics was all Prince focused on, maybe he'd get there, but he'd probably be bored!
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Reply #115 posted 06/20/06 12:05am

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MajesticOne89 said:

BobGeorge909 said:




well...the person used the word incorrectly in the sentence...I think they were referring to that.


lol i kno, me and him had a couple orgnotes about it. Its all good. But back to the subject, I think a lot of guitar players as jessedez pointed out dont take prince seriously as a guitar player. I've been taking lessons for about 2 years, and about a couple of months ago i asked my teacher ( a country player) if we could start playing some prince. He didn't kno any but he told me he would ask some friends that played guitar if they knew. The next lesson he told me that someone said this "why would anyone want to learn to play that? It's all effects." I was shocked, and felt lost, but in any case Prince is an excellent player. I don't think that people should critize his playing by the use of his effects or the simplicity of a solo/chord progression, but more on the arrangement, his use of creativeness to make unique sounds and other techniques he uses.



Can't you bring your teacher a CD or something? I did that all the time, he would then listen to what I wanted and showed it to me. Let your teacher hear it, maybe some rhythm stuff too, if you want to play that. If he's still saying the same - get rid of him.
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Reply #116 posted 06/20/06 3:52am

GustavoRibas

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JesseDezz said:


It's all good - JesseDezz just forgot to take his meds, that's all wink Prince guitar talk is cool. I visited some other websites (like the fender guitar forums) and many of those cats don't take P seriously at all as a guitar player. They can't seem to get past the image.

Too sad...


- Unfortunately true. I dont know why people hate him so much. I was reading some comments about his great solo on ´While my guitar gently weeps´ and some guys were complaining that he ruined it by trying to be on the spotlight, etc. It´s funny, because if he tried a fast solo, people would complain that he was trying to be virtuoso in a song that doesnt need flashy solos. But people praise Paul Gilbert if he does it. If he plays slow, people dont take him seriously because they say he is ´slow hand´. But if Clapton or Gilmour do the same thing, ah, they are great. It seems he will never please them.

At least Prince is playing more guitar now. SNL, RRHOF....let´s hope some non fans start paying more attention to him now as I did when I first listened to ´When doves cry´.
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Reply #117 posted 06/20/06 3:55am

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calldapplwondery83 said:

MajesticOne89 said:



lol i kno, me and him had a couple orgnotes about it. Its all good. But back to the subject, I think a lot of guitar players as jessedez pointed out dont take prince seriously as a guitar player. I've been taking lessons for about 2 years, and about a couple of months ago i asked my teacher ( a country player) if we could start playing some prince. He didn't kno any but he told me he would ask some friends that played guitar if they knew. The next lesson he told me that someone said this "why would anyone want to learn to play that? It's all effects." I was shocked, and felt lost, but in any case Prince is an excellent player. I don't think that people should critize his playing by the use of his effects or the simplicity of a solo/chord progression, but more on the arrangement, his use of creativeness to make unique sounds and other techniques he uses.



Can't you bring your teacher a CD or something? I did that all the time, he would then listen to what I wanted and showed it to me. Let your teacher hear it, maybe some rhythm stuff too, if you want to play that. If he's still saying the same - get rid of him.


- Very true. The most ironic thing is that mature guitar players usually admire Prince as a guitar player: Clapton, Beck, Vai, Lukather...they all praised Prince´s playing. My teacher is a very open minded guy when it comes to music and he liked all the good Prince solos I showed him.
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Reply #118 posted 06/20/06 10:42am

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Prince's playing is admired for its passion. He is a passionate player. This does not equal virtuoso and that was the question. NO ONE IS SAYING PRINCE CAN'T PLAY GUITAR WELL. Not once has that been said, yet people are attacking as if someone called him a poser. The fact still remains that he is NOT a virtuoso. That is a SKILL LEVEL. Prince ain't there and there is no evidence that he is. Virtuosos amaze even the best of the good guitarists almost every time they pick the instrument up. People use Steve Vai's quote as if Steve stood up and said "he's better than me or equal to me". That was not the case. He likes Prince and thinks he's good. I doubt seriously if he thinks Prince is AS GOOD as he is. I'll ask him the next time I see him.
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Reply #119 posted 06/20/06 11:20am

coolcat

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Prince's playing is admired for its passion. He is a passionate player. This does not equal virtuoso and that was the question. NO ONE IS SAYING PRINCE CAN'T PLAY GUITAR WELL. Not once has that been said, yet people are attacking as if someone called him a poser. The fact still remains that he is NOT a virtuoso. That is a SKILL LEVEL. Prince ain't there and there is no evidence that he is. Virtuosos amaze even the best of the good guitarists almost every time they pick the instrument up. People use Steve Vai's quote as if Steve stood up and said "he's better than me or equal to me". That was not the case. He likes Prince and thinks he's good. I doubt seriously if he thinks Prince is AS GOOD as he is. I'll ask him the next time I see him.


I think Vai admires Prince as a composer and "overall musician"... more than as a guitarist.
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