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Reply #60 posted 06/21/06 1:19pm

dustysgirl

I don't know what prompted adults to buy Purple Rain or go see the movie, but the Summer of 1984, I was turning 12 years old and going from 6th to 7th grade. Purple Rain was the only album people were listening to (in that age group). I begged for the Purple Rain soundtrack, got it, but was in no way allowed to see the movie. And the only reason I wanted to see the movie was because Prince was "super-cute!" Songs from the movie dominated all of the dances and skating parties throughout 7th grade.

Times have changed. My son just got out of 7th grade and he and all his friends either hate Prince or really don't know who he is.
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Reply #61 posted 06/21/06 2:59pm

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All of the stars and planets just lined up for Prince in 1984. There is no one singular factor that one can point to that justifies the massive sucess of Purple Rain. My 2 cents.
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Reply #62 posted 06/21/06 3:05pm

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dustysgirl said:

I don't know what prompted adults to buy Purple Rain or go see the movie, but the Summer of 1984, I was turning 12 years old and going from 6th to 7th grade. Purple Rain was the only album people were listening to (in that age group). I begged for the Purple Rain soundtrack, got it, but was in no way allowed to see the movie. And the only reason I wanted to see the movie was because Prince was "super-cute!" Songs from the movie dominated all of the dances and skating parties throughout 7th grade.

Times have changed. My son just got out of 7th grade and he and all his friends either hate Prince or really don't know who he is.

I remember seeing the movie that summer on two different occasions. I was 5 years old. I remember seeing it with my best friend (who must've been 4 at the time) and his mom and she covered our eyes during Appolonia's tit scene. lol Ahhhhh memories. I remember the theaters being totally packed with people.
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Reply #63 posted 06/21/06 9:53pm

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Let me come in with a peace; Dig, in defense of what Gray stated in his thread, to a degree it is true. Although Prince had gained quite a following from the MTV crowd with "Little Red Corvette", just the thought of P in a film and folks being plain curious to see P in that setting was going to draw many people. Understand, a lot of people went to see the film, were not fans of P's before hand. Granted, the bulk of the audience were fans. I was lucky enough to actually attend the premire in Hollywood. Most, if not all, of the folks that were there were serious P fans. And had been for years. You can tell who's the real deal, especially back then. It was totally different than it is now. ANYBODY can be into P today, and u couldn't tell either way. Not the case back then. Anyway, the album would have been P's biggest selling album, without a film. Just on the power of "When Doves Cry" alone. P's single choices would have been different. Hell, a few of the songs wouldn't have even been on the album, i.e. "Take Me With U". It would have been a much darker album, like "1999" was. U can see it in cuts like "Computer Blue", "The Beautiful Ones", etc. But, even if the album remained in tact, it still would have sold through the roof. Of course with the film, which is what I think Gray was saying, the album sold waaaay more.
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Reply #64 posted 06/21/06 10:08pm

Graycap23

blackguitaristz said:

Let me come in with a peace; Dig, in defense of what Gray stated in his thread, to a degree it is true. Although Prince had gained quite a following from the MTV crowd with "Little Red Corvette", just the thought of P in a film and folks being plain curious to see P in that setting was going to draw many people. Understand, a lot of people went to see the film, were not fans of P's before hand. Granted, the bulk of the audience were fans. I was lucky enough to actually attend the premire in Hollywood. Most, if not all, of the folks that were there were serious P fans. And had been for years. You can tell who's the real deal, especially back then. It was totally different than it is now. ANYBODY can be into P today, and u couldn't tell either way. Not the case back then. Anyway, the album would have been P's biggest selling album, without a film. Just on the power of "When Doves Cry" alone. P's single choices would have been different. Hell, a few of the songs wouldn't have even been on the album, i.e. "Take Me With U". It would have been a much darker album, like "1999" was. U can see it in cuts like "Computer Blue", "The Beautiful Ones", etc. But, even if the album remained in tact, it still would have sold through the roof. Of course with the film, which is what I think Gray was saying, the album sold waaaay more.



Pretty much.....
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Reply #65 posted 06/21/06 10:59pm

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Yeah.....fast-forward to 2006. Prince is STILL "playing the game". American Idol, Good Morning America, etc.... Exposure PLUS quality product equals SALES!!!!
Back in tha day, Prince was one of a FEW artists that could LITERALLY put out an "acetate turd", and it would AT LEAST go platinum.....NOT ANYMORE!!!!!
This is now a "fast-food industry", people. I'm just glad he's bobbin' & weavin' thru the bulls**t!!!!! Purple Rain was just PURE GENIUS, from the LP to the marketing campaign. Can't forget the movie. Therein lies the curse: WB wanted EVERYTHING ELSE to be like PR.....
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Reply #66 posted 06/22/06 4:58pm

luv4all7

sosgemini said:

luv4all7 said:

I must say that I am a little confused.....Why is there an FU emoticon if you can't use it?

And I think Diamondgirl knew I was kidding..... lol


it really is how its used...



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Reply #67 posted 06/24/06 1:19am

origmnd

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PurpleKnight said:

This thread sucks. Purple Rain sold a lot because the music is the best he's ever made. The music was revolutionary and catchy at the same time.

The movie blows. It's only enjoyable because it's centered around Prince and the music, which is ingenius.


I agree and disagree at the same time. I agree that the movie itself as a movie (acting, storyline) sucks major balls. It's only watchable due to the music and performances imo. It's like Graffiti Bridge with a bigger budget and more professionalism.

I disagree though that the PR music is the best he's ever made. Maybe it was the catchiest he's ever made (therefore the commercial success), but Prince has made better stuff after PR imo.


PRINCE HAS MADE BETTER STUFF THAN PURPLE RAIN---finally its been said.
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Reply #68 posted 06/24/06 10:41am

Illustrator

Purple Rain albums sold so much cuz so many people bought them.


I mean....I guess.
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Reply #69 posted 06/24/06 6:01pm

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Graycap23 said:

It’s my position that the ONLY reason the Purple Rain cd sold so many copies was because it was attached to the movie and it represents the ONLY real time that Prince played the MTV/Video “game”. I do NOT believe that cd would have sold some 13 plus million copies without the movie. Prince music was good before PR and after, yet it represents his greatest sales. Why? Because Prince capitalized on the imagery of the film. That movie more than any other in my opinion represented the change and shift in music from the substance of the MUSIC to the imagery of the film/video.

If there was ever any doubt, just look at Prince’s cd sales figures before and after Purple Rain. What’s different? There is no movie attached to the other cd’s. The music and the QUALITY of the music are just as good.
Agreed, But "When Doves Cry" was better then anything Prince had put out up until that time. The strength of that song alone would've pushed Purple Rain record sales
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Reply #70 posted 06/24/06 8:09pm

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I think the album would've sold millions without the movie, because of when doves cry...but with the movie, yeah, I guess it sold way more..

Basically, the album sold the movie, which sold the album, which sold the movie, which sold the album, etc.
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Reply #71 posted 06/24/06 8:25pm

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DiamondGirl said:

tripp said:

sorry but your comment is completely false
the first and main reason to this is the fact that the single
when doves cry was released 10 weeks before the movie opened, and it was number one, so that tells me that people liked the music before they ever saw any of it performed on the silver screen.
purple rain was in the #1 spot for 6 months and the tour was going on at that time, so not only did the single help, his showman ship also played a major key in that albums momentum.



True. The single went form entering in the top 40's and the next week and follwoing it made top ten. His fastest selling (WB's) fastest selling single in fact. Folks heard the song and wanted the music!

But you cant deny the impact the movie had on the whole package either. PR would have sold 5 mil alone with no movie and only regular videos. Maybe 7? Th e movie pushed it over the stratosphere.


Like commentary for the commentary lol . Well we all know that Graffiti bridge was better all around anyway. Look at the great editing!
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Reply #72 posted 06/25/06 1:41am

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It's all about the purple banana.
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Reply #73 posted 06/25/06 5:20am

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When doves Cry and Let's go Crazy would have been hit singles without videos or the movie... so I completely disagree.
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Reply #74 posted 06/25/06 10:54am

Graycap23

ufoclub said:

When doves Cry and Let's go Crazy would have been hit singles without videos or the movie... so I completely disagree.



But I'm NOT saying that they would NOT have been hits. They were great songs but Prince has had MANY great songs.
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Reply #75 posted 06/25/06 4:58pm

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Graycap23 said:

ufoclub said:

When doves Cry and Let's go Crazy would have been hit singles without videos or the movie... so I completely disagree.



But I'm NOT saying that they would NOT have been hits. They were great songs but Prince has had MANY great songs.



I'm just saying the songs were good enough for the album to hit without videos or the movie, but you are right that the movie (and videos) helped push it over the edge.

I think Prince was truly mainstream, in synch with pop music, with these singles:

1999, Little Red Corvette, Let's Go Crazy, When Doves Cry (this one pushed the edge a bit, didn't sound much like anything else around it), Cream, 7

"Kiss" was remarkably, almost offensively, unlike other stuff on the radio, but hit on it's sheer brilliance.
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Reply #76 posted 06/25/06 5:04pm

Byron

Graycap23 said:


If there was ever any doubt, just look at Prince’s cd sales figures before and after Purple Rain. What’s different? There is no movie attached to the other cd’s. The music and the QUALITY of the music are just as good.

Yanno, I could have sworn that Parade, SOTT and Graffiti Brigde had movies attached to them... hmmm
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Reply #77 posted 06/25/06 6:57pm

Graycap23

Byron said:

Graycap23 said:


If there was ever any doubt, just look at Prince’s cd sales figures before and after Purple Rain. What’s different? There is no movie attached to the other cd’s. The music and the QUALITY of the music are just as good.

Yanno, I could have sworn that Parade, SOTT and Graffiti Brigde had movies attached to them... hmmm


Were those movies supported by the same video MTV style as Purple Rain? I don't think so. I am really just trying to figure out why Purple Rain sold so much more than EVERY other Prince cd. Was the music THAT much better than all of his other releases? I don't believe that but maybe it was.....
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Reply #78 posted 06/25/06 7:04pm

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Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


Yanno, I could have sworn that Parade, SOTT and Graffiti Brigde had movies attached to them... hmmm


Were those movies supported by the same video MTV style as Purple Rain? I don't think so. I am really just trying to figure out why Purple Rain sold so much more than EVERY other Prince cd. Was the music THAT much better than all of his other releases? I don't believe that but maybe it was.....


Those two singles were STRONG. So in a way it was a much better commercial album then all his others, he took the new wave type vibe and then added funk/rock and feathers and petals.
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Reply #79 posted 06/25/06 7:23pm

Byron

Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


Yanno, I could have sworn that Parade, SOTT and Graffiti Brigde had movies attached to them... hmmm


Were those movies supported by the same video MTV style as Purple Rain? I don't think so. I am really just trying to figure out why Purple Rain sold so much more than EVERY other Prince cd. Was the music THAT much better than all of his other releases? I don't believe that but maybe it was.....

But you said that there were no movies connected with any other CDs...obviously that's false.
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Reply #80 posted 06/25/06 11:51pm

Graycap23

Byron said:

Graycap23 said:



Were those movies supported by the same video MTV style as Purple Rain? I don't think so. I am really just trying to figure out why Purple Rain sold so much more than EVERY other Prince cd. Was the music THAT much better than all of his other releases? I don't believe that but maybe it was.....

But you said that there were no movies connected with any other CDs...obviously that's false.




I guess I should NEVER generalize on the org ah?
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Reply #81 posted 06/26/06 2:31am

dseann

Graycap23 said:

It’s my position that the ONLY reason the Purple Rain cd sold so many copies was because it was attached to the movie and it represents the ONLY real time that Prince played the MTV/Video “game”. I do NOT believe that cd would have sold some 13 plus million copies without the movie. Prince music was good before PR and after, yet it represents his greatest sales. Why? Because Prince capitalized on the imagery of the film. That movie more than any other in my opinion represented the change and shift in music from the substance of the MUSIC to the imagery of the film/video.

If there was ever any doubt, just look at Prince’s cd sales figures before and after Purple Rain. What’s different? There is no movie attached to the other cd’s. The music and the QUALITY of the music are just as good.



Talking shit must be your hobby.
The music which I heard first made me want to see the movie.
The movie was about nothing else but the presentation of the music.
Stop trying to stir up shit when you know the truth.

Sign of the times was a better album than Purple Rain and that had a movie accompanying it as well yet the sales were no where near Purple Rain.

It's all about the music with this man, and that's what made him..... the music not the gimics.
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Reply #82 posted 06/26/06 3:26am

Vannelli

Heck the only reason I thought Purple Rain sold so many,was because it released on my birthday June 25th 1984 lol lol lol
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Reply #83 posted 06/26/06 4:12am

Byron

Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


But you said that there were no movies connected with any other CDs...obviously that's false.




I guess I should NEVER generalize on the org ah?

That's not a generalization...that's a misstatement of fact..lol wink
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Reply #84 posted 06/26/06 11:51am

Graycap23

dseann said:

Graycap23 said:

It’s my position that the ONLY reason the Purple Rain cd sold so many copies was because it was attached to the movie and it represents the ONLY real time that Prince played the MTV/Video “game”. I do NOT believe that cd would have sold some 13 plus million copies without the movie. Prince music was good before PR and after, yet it represents his greatest sales. Why? Because Prince capitalized on the imagery of the film. That movie more than any other in my opinion represented the change and shift in music from the substance of the MUSIC to the imagery of the film/video.

If there was ever any doubt, just look at Prince’s cd sales figures before and after Purple Rain. What’s different? There is no movie attached to the other cd’s. The music and the QUALITY of the music are just as good.



Talking shit must be your hobby.
The music which I heard first made me want to see the movie.
The movie was about nothing else but the presentation of the music.
Stop trying to stir up shit when you know the truth.

Sign of the times was a better album than Purple Rain and that had a movie accompanying it as well yet the sales were no where near Purple Rain.

It's all about the music with this man, and that's what made him..... the music not the gimics.
[Edited 6/25/06 19:33pm]



If these last comments does NOT agree with the original post, I must NOT know how 2 read.

Is the "presentation of the music" NOT the same thing as "playing the video/MTV "game"?

Is Sign of times better than PR" not the same thing as "the music and QUALITY" of Prince's other cd's are just as good but the sales are not?

Geez.....
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Reply #85 posted 06/26/06 12:37pm

dseann

Graycap23 said:

dseann said:




Talking shit must be your hobby.
The music which I heard first made me want to see the movie.
The movie was about nothing else but the presentation of the music.
Stop trying to stir up shit when you know the truth.

Sign of the times was a better album than Purple Rain and that had a movie accompanying it as well yet the sales were no where near Purple Rain.

It's all about the music with this man, and that's what made him..... the music not the gimics.
[Edited 6/25/06 19:33pm]



If these last comments does NOT agree with the original post, I must NOT know how 2 read.

Is the "presentation of the music" NOT the same thing as "playing the video/MTV "game"?

Is Sign of times better than PR" not the same thing as "the music and QUALITY" of Prince's other cd's are just as good but the sales are not?

Geez.....



The point you tried to make was that PR only sold because of the movie when in actuality, the movie only did so well because of the album.

Get my drift?

Geez...
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Reply #86 posted 06/26/06 12:42pm

dseann

dustysgirl said:

I don't know what prompted adults to buy Purple Rain or go see the movie, but the Summer of 1984, I was turning 12 years old and going from 6th to 7th grade. Purple Rain was the only album people were listening to (in that age group). I begged for the Purple Rain soundtrack, got it, but was in no way allowed to see the movie. And the only reason I wanted to see the movie was because Prince was "super-cute!" Songs from the movie dominated all of the dances and skating parties throughout 7th grade.

Times have changed. My son just got out of 7th grade and he and all his friends either hate Prince or really don't know who he is.



Actually I was in seventh grade going into eighth....I didn't for the album, I went out and bought it, not because IT WAS BEING PLAYED EVERYWHERE AND BY EVERYONE, but because I adored the artist since I heard I wanna be your lover back in '79....I was a huge fan ever since that year....I was only eight.

My thirteen year old daughter really isn't into him, but trust me she knows who he is.....She screamed for me to tune into him on American Idol because she knows how much I admire him.....I don't watch that show so I would have missed the performance.
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Reply #87 posted 06/26/06 1:45pm

Graycap23

dseann said:

Graycap23 said:




If these last comments does NOT agree with the original post, I must NOT know how 2 read.

Is the "presentation of the music" NOT the same thing as "playing the video/MTV "game"?

Is Sign of times better than PR" not the same thing as "the music and QUALITY" of Prince's other cd's are just as good but the sales are not?

Geez.....



The point you tried to make was that PR only sold because of the movie when in actuality, the movie only did so well because of the album.

Get my drift?

Geez...



Why don't u try READING my post.....ur make that COMPREHENDING my post and get back 2 me. This is not an arguement, just a DIALOG.
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Reply #88 posted 07/05/06 12:36am

sexxydancer

Who cares about the reason it sold?The main thing is that it did sell!
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