in their 100 Best Guitarists issue -- no Prince

This is probably old news and already been discussed, but I was in Tower Records tonight and saw a big hardback book of Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums. I quickly thumbed through it to see where they had Prince listed.

What a bunch of shit. Prince's first entry was Purple Rain at #73, about 30 spots behind Public Enemy's It Take A Nation Of Millions...(which I happen to own and like), but no way in hell does it come close to Purple Rain or any of the three other P albums in the list. 1999, SOTT, and Dirty Mind.

I'm sick of these hip hop acts getting critical acclaim when they are at best a novelty. I didn't have to time to really study the book but I did notice that Public Enemy had 3 albums in the list, only one less than Prince. WTF?

Snap said:

I had to have looked through that article 10 times trying to find Prince's name, until finally i had to accept the fact that Rolling Stone fucked up royally.

Honestly since that issue, i've never looked through another Rolling Stone issue.

This is probably old news and already been discussed, but I was in Tower Records tonight and saw a big hardback book of Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums. I quickly thumbed through it to see where they had Prince listed.

What a bunch of shit. Prince's first entry was Purple Rain at #73, about 30 spots behind Public Enemy's It Take A Nation Of Millions...(which I happen to own and like), but no way in hell does it come close to Purple Rain or any of the three other P albums in the list. 1999, SOTT, and Dirty Mind.

I'm sick of these hip hop acts getting critical acclaim when they are at best a novelty. I didn't have to time to really study the book but I did notice that Public Enemy had 3 albums in the list, only one less than Prince. WTF?

in their 100 Best Guitarists issue -- no Prince

Snap said:

I forgot about that--that's just insane. When they have room to put Kurt Cobain in a best guitarists issue, they damn well better have space for Prince.

in their 100 Best Guitarists issue -- no Prince

Yeah you won't get far around my way talking like that. Public Enemy are as vital as Prince, without a doubt. Chuck D, great, great lyricist. The Bomb Squad, GENIUS artists and producers.

Rolling stone is for hippies and communists!!

Yea, but you guys would put every Prince album in your top ten..lol

The Bomb Squad are "GENIUS" if you consider drum programming

and sampling(stealing ) other peoples music, artistry.

look man, I know the difference betwween PE and PD, alright. I own all of PE's albums. No I couldn't go into a studio today and do what any producer does. But with time I could come a whole lot closer to reproducing what these hip hop "artists" do than what I could compared to what real musicians create.

still, no rap act deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as to 99% of Prince's work.

right, so you see no difference whatsoever in technique, craft, or sound between "welcome to the terrordome" and "i'll be missing you"? or the song where he jacked bowie's let's dance, and oh let's say, "can't truss it"? seriously?

very few public enemy songs sound anything like the songs they sample. when you hear a public enemy song, you instantly know it's them, because they have a sound unique. not a sound unique to black music, not a sound unique to hip hop, not a sound unique to east coast hip hop, a sound unique to THEM. and only them. saying the bomb squad just jacked other people's instrumentals and rapped over them is just wrong. not a difference of opinion, not subjectivity, just plain indisputably factually wrong, incorrect, false. if you can tell me any song, ever, that sounds anything remotely like "welcome to the terrordome" or "fight the power" and which preceded it (INCLUDING the songs it samples), go ahead. shit, "fight the power" sounds far less like james' "funky drummer" (which it samples) than prince's "musicology" sounds like james' "soul power" or "the payback".

and tell me this....have you ever tried to produce a sample collage work of your own? do you know anything whatsoever about the techniques, problems, nuances or expertise involved? because believing someone with no experience can just go into a studio and mess around for five minutes and come out with something sounding like public enemy is like believing someone who has never played golf before can walk onto a golf course and hit a drive like tiger woods. i mean, it's just hitting a ball with a stick as hard as you can, right? what could be so difficult about that?
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in their 100 Best Guitarists issue -- no Prince

precisely 99%, because even his most lame efforts are completely original. I refuse to give praise to those who sample. If you think that there is musical integrity in sampling than that is your perogative.

precisely 99%, because even his most lame efforts are completely original. I refuse to give praise to those who sample. If you think that there is musical integrity in sampling than that is your perogative.