I know a few things but,I am not tellin' none of ya'll ,now !

what saffireseven? about mani's pregnancy?

if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has webbed feet like a duck, has feathers like a duck, and lays eggs...it is probably morena77 and shortcake pretending 2 b ducks...

the man has done nterview when he was with mayte, and he was talking the same way, and he said he was studying way back then...
there comes a time n every man's life, when he gets tired of foolin' around...

prince is no xception

Saffire knows jack-shit! (You've proven it before!)

And shortcake needs a clock surgically attached to their face to know what time it is!!!

morena77 said :



Very Good Point.

morena77 said:

What a harsh thing to say about a person who is living their own life. Nobody dogs the garbage man because he didn't do more with his life. Why dog on Mani if she wanted to be a personal assistant. It's a good paying noble job that someone is going to do, so why couldn't it be her? What does being strong have to do with it? Maybe she is strong enough to say no to Prince about certain issues. Maybe that is why she was his personal assistant for 5 years, but to get more to the heart of why I even posted let me say this. In this entire thread you go off about how people are spreading rumors that they don't have any knowlegde on. I can get next to that, but then you turn around and say all this stuff about Mani. Then after you've said it you say the following.






So you can spread what you think to be true without any really basis for the remarks...and eveyone else who says anything without hard evidence is wrong. Hmmm...Now maybe I'm wrong...but isn't this like the kettle calling the pot black?




OK, I responded. This isn't personal. It's just me trying to understand where you are coming from, because I don't. I don't believe everything I hear, but I don't spread what I don't know either. And I surely don't accuse people of doing something wrong and turn around on the same thread and do just what I accused other people of doing.

Well, I got to go to work, but I will look for your response later. Have a nice day.

morena77 said:

Morena77, Thanks for having my back! Everything you said makes sense to me.

Actually he did confirm his conversion on MTV news and in the associated press. I saw it with my own eyes didn't just make it up. Oh and sorry he got married on Dec 31. Thats why I thought it was January.

billychaz99 said:

billychaz99, your the only person in the whole world that saw this press conference? Most people don't hold a press conference to announce what religion they are. I don't believe you. Are you sure you weren't smoking anything on this day? Oh, maybe your a real dumb guy. I get it now.

HOT PRESS - Shortcake and Morena77 marry and start their own religion - the Dumbass Witnesses!!!

The real gem of your rant, Morena, is that you lambast people for making up their own minds when they don't have proof and then give us an opinion about Mani when, "I don't even know who in the heck this Mani girl is" - very intelligent! Fact is, you have revealed far more about yourself in that diatribe than anything else (but, at least you have the rock-solid, not about to crumble Shortcake as your backup. Great!)

Let me restate my post.

While there are major differences with their religious practices,the Seventh Day Adventists & the Jehovah Witnesses both have a common history.I believe that the Witnesses branched off from the SDA.

The founder of the JW movement studied with the Adventists before he branched out with his own movement.
For more info visit the religious movements homepage

this stuff is all pretty much common knowledge to anyone who's been around JWs in minneapolis.

Mindflux said:

It's a real shame that you have to resort to name calling. I am not a dumbass. I have a right to voice my opinion. But I do it without calling people names.

Shortcake,

I do not think you are dumbass but, you do have a hard head.

Prince said at a couple of soundchecks that he was married.
Why would he lie about this?

JW's are a spinoff religion from Seventh Day Adventist. I live near the SDA headquarters. I know what I am talking about. Their literature is all over my town.

Prince was raised as a Seventh Day Adventist therefore, it would not be a big jump for him to become a JW.

Deal with the fact that he is 44 years old and the Purple Rain days are over.

laurarichardson said:

I have to agree with laurarichardson only you have read their literature? what are the similarities? I mean between JW's and 7th day adventist?

Okay, I said what I had to say, but I will say this also:

I have a right to say what I feel about this whole situation. And I can tell you, there is something FISHY about it too. The marriage and JW things are still speculation.

It's very interesting that to those of you who responded negatively back to me got sooo offended when I said that there is something strange about the marriage and JW situation, and about how I said that Mani isn't such an important figure, because she just isn't.

Now THAT'S the truth.

So if most of you who responded negatively to me want to keep spreading rumors and creating speculation, go right ahead. All I'm saying is, the whole thing is strange, he did not go public with it, and it just so happens that people want to take everything out of proportion and STILL fabricate stories.

Now I did not blast anyone on this messageboard. So for anyone who got offended at what I said, I refuse to apologize. The only one that should be offended here is Mani and Prince. Unless you are one of them, don't blast me. And even if they did respond back to me, then we would have something to debate about.

Just keep in mind, I have a right to voice my opinion about this subject just like the rest of you. If the subject is spoken about, I'm gonna say something about it, point blank.

Oh, and again, I still do not know where all of you get your "sources" from. And you can't tell me the Celebration either, because I won't believe a word you say about it. That's not even proof either. I need some REAL sources, that's if you people (referring to the negative, on the defensive people) know what REAL sources are.

morena77 said:

Morena77, We all can learn alot from you! Till the end of time I'll be there for U.

Thanks shortcake . But you know these people - the next thing you know, they will turn around and tell us that WE are the ones who are blinded, when its' actually vice versa.

They still insist that all of it is true, when not one drop of proof DROPPED out from anywhere.

People will never learn.

And wait a second, Mani was a fan just like the rest of us. However, I heard she was one of the groupie crowd people. Plus, she used to post on alt.music.prince at AOL and at google.com. She went under the name Manuela Testolini. Also she was a NewPowerNewYork member at Derek's site. The info is on her in the members section of his site is still there till this day. Lists her birthday and everything.

So, what in the heck made Prince trust this woman to be his "personal assistant"? We may never know.

Again, some people don't think do they. They never will.

This one is for you, lovebird.

Oh, so you are saying that since he became a JW, he got 'married' so that he can have all of the sex that he wants with Mani? Puleeease! lol Give me a break. lol

Like I said before, he could be married to some other woman, but then again we don't know that either. Ever since Mani has been around the man, you rumor tellers go start up stories about how he got married on December 31/January 2002, but then even there, you couldn't make up your minds about what DATE he was married on. YOU PLAYED YOURSELVES. CAN WE SAY BUSTED, CAUGHT IN A LIE?

You people who still speculate are crazy. The man has been having premarital sex for like how many years now, with how many women? What makes you think he is this "changed man" all of a sudden? Sure the man can change; only he can change himself for the better. No one, not you, not even me, NOT EVEN MANI THAT'S RIGHT I SAID MANI can change him.

So now you are telling me that he is 'married' now because he believes it is wrong to have sex outside of marriage. Well if that's the case, he should have thought about that before he even decided to join a religion. But then again, there is no truth in him joining one anyway. So, oops to you on that one.

Did you see his site? Did you even once go on there to see what was posted in the Paisley Newz section? He is showing us about how different religions fight against each other, showing us how corrupt they are. That only tells me right there that he is a believer in Christ, but he is not part of a religion. He studies the word.

So for you to say that he 'married' Mani because he became a JW, that's a twisted statement. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but in this case, what you said in your post didn't make sense to me.

Maybe you need to clarify what you said cause I don't get it.

By the way, I am a virgin, so I KNOW for a fact that premarital sex is wrong, I believe in that strongly because God said so, it's his rule. PAY ATTENTION: I DID NOT JOIN A RELIGION TO KNOW THIS. I read the bible.

Morena - nobody said you don't have the right to voice your opinion. But expect to be challenged when you contradict yourself, display hypocrisy and, overall, take a pious stance. It is also hilarious that you beleive in God, given the amount of proof you seem to require to beleive something - by your own logic, you would have to have "met" God in order to beleive that he exists. And, for clarity, what exactly do you define as a "real source"?

Shortcake - I'm real glad that at least you are learning something from Morena whilst kissing that butt! Pray tell, what exactly have you learnt? That you need to get in water to know it's wet? Haha...

It is clear that neither Shortcake or Morena know anything about the JW faith and so are blind to the implications. Who knows what they make of the lyrics to TRC?!! About time you two honed and refined those human skills known as percpetion and intuition!!

Mindflux said:

a great many of us JWs have expressed ourselves often and quite clearly about TRC on literally dozens of threads... check the archives.

Excuse me 4 throwing this topic out of the fire and in2 the frying pan (lol) but what organized religion did prince profess 2 follow b4 ... or could u consider it organized??? Although spirituality is not a 'group' per say im honestly curious ... did he share beliefs of Catholicism or ...??? I dont hold much knowledge of his past believe it or not ... hmm

Morena77, please relax.
Prince is a JW and he is married to Mani.
I'm not crazy about Mani either because she was rude
to the fans standing in line to buy merchandise at
the Mill City Festival back in 99,

Prince has converted to the JW religion, thanks to Larry
Graham who is also a JW.

At the soundcheck in DC he said,' Sorry I'm late, I've
been to the Kingdom Hall."

JWs would never except members that were having premarital
sex, they get kicked out for that, that's how crazy that
religion is.

He moved to Toronto, Mani's home town. That should tell
you something. She must have him wraped around her little
finger.

I don't understand why Larry and Mani and the JWs have such
a hold on Prince because I'm sure he is more intelligent
than they are and Prince always seemed to be so in-
dependent with his own mind and ideas, but it seems that
they do. It's really a shame but it's a fact.

Besides that, he is older and more mature plus he lost his
parents and that changes a person. He is trying to find
stability in his life, what's wrong with that?
You shouldn't let it bother you.

Lovebird - you have to appreciate that the favourite tactic used by Jehovah's Witnesses' in an attempt to convert you to their faith is to exploit a tragedy in your life and "reach" you when you are at your lowest point.

Funnily enough, the timing of Mr Graham's arrival at Paisley Park coincided with the tragic death of Prince's son. The line used in cases where people have lost realtives, or people close to them, by the Jehovah's Witnesses is "Would you like to know how you can meet them again?" - that statement is going to tear at anybody's heartstrings.

Then, of course, the next original album we get from Mr Nelson is called, ironically enough, The Truth and on it, as I'm sure everyone here knows, is a song called "Comeback" on which he sings, "If you ever lose someone dear to you, Never say the words 'They're gone', They'll come back...". Now, we have a full-on, JW-stance album in TRC.

I confess to being, initially, worried by Prince's movement towards the Witnesses, but he seems ok enough to me. The album is fantastic, even though I disagree with a fair number of his attitudes these days. I always hoped that he would just take the best of what that faith has to offer and make it his own, as he had done in the past. Well, it's not quite like that, but then he's not talking quite like the hundreds of JWs I have met in my time. So, it's a shame (for me, personally - I'm sure there are many others that are delighted) that he now subscribes to something so orthodox and limiting, rather than being an independant maverick but, as you rightly say, he is older and perhaps looking for stability. As long as the music stays as good as it is right now, I'm all for it!

hmmm... the thing that seems to really get me is that y'all think a freethinker, an independent person, is someone who agrees w/ youall...

as if an independent person couldn't choose to do otherwise... perhaps he is independent of YOUR opinions. obviously.

C'mon Appolonia - are you really suggesting that the Watchtower encourages free-thinking???!! How can anyone be a free-thinker when they follow such strict rules and guidlines. He used to be a freethinker, now he appears to think freely within guidelines!!!

lovebird: no proof, no belief in all of this.

I'm not getting excited, the only people here getting that way are the ones who have responded negatively toward me.

Now if indeed Prince is married to Mani, then he is looking for love in all the wrong places. No I am not jealous and I'm not making decisions for him either, he can do that on his own. All I am asking you to do is look at the situation itself, something ain't right about it. Business with pleasure? Nah uh. Then again, he is known for mixing the two together, which isn't a good combination. He should have known that there were millions of fish in the sea in order to really find his soulmate, not date some Personal Assistant and then all of a sudden marry her.

lovebird, it is still speculation.

How come we only see the 'news' about this on the internet, and not once has there been anything on the News on television here in NYC?? Strange isn't it? Even if it were his decision to not publicize it, the media would have really got a hold of him with the marriage thing if only it were seen on the regular news stations here in the City. But, nothing was ever shown.

Did you all ever stop to think that those pictures you saw online of him and Mani were just for publicity? I mean, hello, maybe it was that? You can't assume by some picture that he is married. That, too, isn't proof. They could have just been hanging out at the game as friends. But yet people jump to conclusions that they are hitched.

Even CNN didn't show anything.

You never know, people who went to the soundcheck probably did see him say that he was married, but maybe that was to get your minds boggled and fabricate some more stories.

This is a woman who has worked for him ever since the Prince and Mayte thing, and she is still around him. Why? Because she is not independent. Mayte wasn't independent either because she was there to get her 'free ticket'; even though he really did love her, she was only there for one thing; money and to become famous through him.

Prince has been tricking people for years. You should KNOW when he is telling the truth. A ring does not confirm anything. I believed it when Mayte and Prince got married, but for this one? There is no truth, nor there is a lie, there is still only speculation.

I'm not speaking bad about her either, I don't know the woman, she don't know me either, and I don't even want to know her - I'm just telling you the truth about what I think about this whole situation. And I'm pretty sure that the FEW PEOPLE who can see through all of this just like I can are in agreement with me too.