GoldiesParade said:

Ball-nosed dolphin fucker!

IceNine said:

Vanilla Ice lover.

GoldiesParade said:

Damn you and your black heart!!!

I have been bested!

IceNine said:

Bow down to the mighty Goldie, who destroys all in his path.

Ice Ice Baby.

Please, no more... please...

NO MORE VANILLA ICE... EVER!

One more Vanilla Ice reference and I am calling Amnesty International!!!

IceNine said:

Ice Ice Baby, Ice Ice Baby
All right stop, Collaborate and listen
Ice is back with my brand new invention
Something grabs a hold of me tightly
Then I flow like a harpoon daily and nightly
Will it ever stop? Yo -- I don't know
Turn off the lights and I'll glow
To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal
Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.


Something like that anyhow

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

C'mon Battier! I think that deserves its own thread in the Site Discussion forum!

IceNine said:

Ice Ice Baby, Ice Ice Baby
All right stop, Collaborate and listen
Ice is back with my brand new invention
Something grabs a hold of me tightly
Then I flow like a harpoon daily and nightly
Will it ever stop? Yo -- I don't know
Turn off the lights and I'll glow
To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal
Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.


Something like that anyhow

Supernova said:

Great point, but what about the stuff that's not so spiritual/religious in tone? ONA in particular - I just don't get that one. ONA is really beautiful. I think the fact that it's so stripped down (which lots of people complain about) is what makes it so beautiful. It's so simple, just him & his piano, AND IT WORKS. But people are sneezing @ it left & right - WTF??

CalhounSq said:

- Hmm...I dont know...´When doves cry´ is miles away in musical terms (arrangements, melody, etc)
It happens because when P was younger, he probably had more hunger, and Wendy and Lisa helped a lot, because they didnt seem to accept every song he made then.

Ice Ice Baby, Ice Ice Baby
All right stop, Collaborate and listen
Ice is back with my brand new invention
Something grabs a hold of me tightly
Then I flow like a harpoon daily and nightly
Will it ever stop? Yo -- I don't know
Turn off the lights and I'll glow
To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal
Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.

CalhounSq said:

sub·par Pronunciation Key (sb-pär)
adj.
1. Not measuring up to traditional standards of performance, value, or production.
2. Below par in a hole, round, or game of golf.

Unless Prince has taken up golf, I'm guessing lovemachine means number 1.

lovemachine said:

No, absolutely not. I'm not talking like or dislike - I'm talking drilling him a new a-hole over it. Sometimes the venom is SO extreme over songs that ain't bad at all, they're actually GOOD songs...

Maybe my Q is really about the passion (good or bad) people show in regard to his music - they wouldn't bother if they didn't REALLY care (which is why the naysayers crack me up)...



Okay, it bores you. Fine. But when I see folks on here calling it "absolute SHIT!" it makes me wonder... Have they ever known serenity? Can they take it in? It's all relative, ain't it...



Of course not. I can probably count in single digit #'s how many times Chaos & Disorder, Rave (official release), The Black Album, NPS & Dirty Mind (yes, that one) have been plucked from their cases. My point is not to say, "love it all". More like, "Why ream him over the 'bad' stuff when it ain't really THAT bad?"



Probably not. Man, I don't even like "Northside" - there's a few NPGMC releases that have tickled my :C drive but didn't amuse me. This is not about cheerleading...



DEFINE "subpar"??? THAT is the question of the day...

It's not one of those discs you can play at just anytime. Sort of like Meshell Ndegéocello's Bitter album. It's a complete left turn from everything she's ever done, and not a shred of Funk on it, like on her other 3 albums. Some people don't like radical departures, and that's exactly what this one is.

And some have an issue with the very short length of ONA. It doesn't feel finished to them. It's sort of hard for me to compare this one to his retail releases, because it feels like it's just a glimpse of him in an introspective mood at the piano, and only for the fans who have stuck with him through thick and thin. It doesn't feel like a full-blown album really. So, in that respect I don't understand why people compare it to all his best (or even worst) albums.

I know what the JW's stand for and how they stand in live...

If i find that he goes to far with preaching and testifying and not comes up with any meaningfull album in the near future ,i will not longer be a fan.

I wish people would ask themselves, "is this good?" instead of, "how does this measure up to SOTT?"

Okay, let's take TRC & the JW stuff out of the equation for a second: do we judge him too harshly on THE OTHER STUFF???

Supernova said:

True. I guess it's hard for me to understand why some have problems w/ that. Me'Shell is a good example - 'Bitter' is quite different from the other albums, and it's GREAT. A more intimate, solemn side of her & it's GREAT. No, it doesn't make my head bob like "Call Me" or "Picture Show", but it's GREAT.

I knew she had that other side when I bought her first album (Outside Your Door) & I find it easy to embrace her exploration of that side on record.

Now let's get back to ONA: it's like nothing he's ever done before. It's a more intimate, serene side of him. It's not Lovesexy or Gold, it's not quite The Truth - it's just GREAT all on its own.

I wish people would ask themselves, "is this good?" instead of, "how does this measure up to SOTT?"

This got me thinking about other artists I really like and I think I judge them as hard as other artists but the big difference is that I don't hang out on a message board for these other artists.

For example when "The Globe Sessions" by Sheryl Crow was released I absolutely hated that ablum. I put it down just as harshly as I would have a Prince album but only to people who asked about it. I don't hang out on crow.org or anywhere where my opinion would have been seriously challenged so it wasn't that big of a deal.

Personally, I like it when recording artists take that left turn or throw you that curve ball. As long as they're capable of pulling it off, and Prince and Me'Shell are more than capable of pulling it off. It didn't shock me at all when I first heard Bitter, because she had talked about listening to and working with people that had nothing in common with her stylistically. She's in the Miles/Prince mold when it comes to that. In the long run music would be boring without those curveballs sometimes.