Anx said:

and NO kool-aid bongs, either...that shit's dangerous!

Imago said:

No. I can't. I'm straight.

The point is, for weeks all we've hearing round here is:

- Where's Prince?
- Why no promtion?
- He really blew it.
- Another wasted album.
- He should do Leno.
- He should do Oprah.
- He should do a coffee commercial.
- yada, yada, yada...

NOW, he pulls another major coup by getting huge exposure (promotion, afterall is just the method of getting that), and the very same people are now complaining about his METHOD of promotion.

That is simply moroninc...

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

reports say that almost 3,121 people almost would have died from doing purple kool-aid bongs in 2005. JUST SAY NO-WAH!!!

Let me see if I can boil this down for you... Every (say "Every"), musician who has ever had any kind of impact on popular music has "sold out" then, in your terms.

You critics need to wake-up and realize that Prince has proven himself in the past few years, to have excellent instincts and business sense.

To call last night a "sellout", makes you at best, someone who doesn't understand the "business" in "music business", and at worst, a plain hater.

The point is, for weeks all we've hearing round here is:

- Where's Prince?
- Why no promtion?
- He really blew it.
- Another wasted album.
- He should do Leno.
- He should do Oprah.
- He should do a coffee commercial.
- yada, yada, yada...

NOW, he pulls another major coup by getting huge exposure (promotion, afterall is just the method of getting that), and the very same people are now complaining about his METHOD of promotion.

That is simply moroninc...

jpav said:

No. YOU just don't seem to understand our arguments. There are so much other COOL shows he could've appeared on, but he chooses the worst of them all. Plus he is contradicting himself in the baddest way, because he always preached about artists rights and integrity. If you can't see why AI is such a pain in the ass and why some fans HATE seeing prince on there, then you're the 'friggin idiot'.

NOTE: Revised thread title... Hopefully the Napoleon quote will help those who take offense at being called "morons".

O.K., sorry for the bluntness, but anyone who can seriously say Prince sold out, or somehow compromised his integrity last night, doesn't know a thing about what Prince does for a career.

Let me see if I can boil this down for you... Every (say "Every"), musician who has ever had any kind of impact on popular music has "sold out" then, in your terms.

The Stones, Zeppelin, Elvis, Sinatra, Aerosmith, The Who, Dylan (remember Dharma and Greg?, the Beatles... you name it, have ALL used various methods of crossover promotion; whether it be Super Bowl shows, commercials, corporate tours, movie roles.

It's simply assinine to fault Prince for using THE biggest promotional tool to get his music to more people. Not to mention that it is at least a "music-related" show; not simply a widely-seen show.

The same sanctimonious critics have no problem with him doing Leno, Oprah, Ellen. (The last time I checked, those are sellout-machines, where EVERYONE is whore-ing their product, show, cause, talent).

You critics need to wake-up and realize that Prince has proven himself in the past few years, to have excellent instincts and business sense.

To call last night a "sellout", makes you at best, someone who doesn't understand the "business" in "music business", and at worst, a plain hater.

You may now return to fantasyland... Gosh!
[Edited 5/25/06 7:40am]

Fauxie said:

that's like a 5 foot 7 man saying he's not short

ludwig said:

Hmmm. I see so tell what "much other COOL shows" you would approve of... ER?... The Supernanny?... A Golden Girls Reunion?...

Face it, you HAVE no argument, other than another negative thread.

I'm an idiot and a moron I suppose.

The show is a bad joke, has nothing to do with "music" and in my opinion is beneath an artist of Prince's talent and accomplishments. It was embarassing and, for that matter, not a particularly good performance. Appearing on this travesty of American culture flies in the face of everything Prince has said about "real music" and "real musicianship"

People are running around saying "Prince needs exposure!" Are you shitting me? Who the hell doesn't know about Prince? If it's to boost record sales, well, count me as one who's never measured his success by the charts, although I know that so many here do.

I hated it.

...And if you think Prince is a good a business man, its you that need your head testing!

jpav said:

Hmmm. I see so tell what "much other COOL shows" you would approve of... ER?... The Supernanny?... A Golden Girls Reunion?...

herb4 said:

Well, hating it... That's another matter entirely.

I thought the performance, for Prince, was incredibly mediocre, but the heart of this thread has been, that there no such promotional method that is "beneath" Prince, or any other artist.

Check me intial post... Is Ellen, or The Super Bowl, or a sitcom appearence, or "chatting it up with Leno" the height of class and dignity? It's how the game is played... I just can't understand criticizing Prince for playin' it.

But yes, the performance was pretty lousy.

SquirrelMeat said:

If he's not, then he's learning, & last night was a step in the right direction.

anon said:

And not doing his brand new single!?! Clever man....

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[Edited 5/25/06 8:41am]

Whats so wrong about him doing a show for MUSICIANS?

ludwig said:

But shows like Ellen or Leno are supporting musicians and let them play live with a full band.
AI is just promoting talentless people who can sing a little, but have no muscal abilities. It's not about musicianship, it's not about artistry, it's just about getting famous the fastest possible way and to generate as much money as possible. And that's very sad, isn't it ?

SquirrelMeat said:

Playing a real guitar isn't appropriate for a show like AI.

luv4all7 said:

LOL !

There are no musicians on AI.

ludwig said:

Its totally appropriate if you want to make a point about real music for real musicials....

anon said:

And not doing his brand new single!?! Clever man....

SquirrelMeat said:

Not if you're a sellout like prince.

jpav said:

No. YOU just don't seem to understand our arguments. There are so much other COOL shows he could've appeared on, but he chooses the worst of them all. Plus he is contradicting himself in the baddest way, because he always preached about artists rights and integrity. If you can't see why AI is such a pain in the ass and why some fans HATE seeing prince on there, then you're the 'friggin idiot'.

ludwig said:

Yes, that is what is hard for me to accept. AI is such a HORRIBLE show, at least on Leno, Letterman, or Oprah, Prince would have the chance to discuss the album (how he produced it, or wrote every note of every song) or tour, and you see the entire band so people realize music comes from instruments.

I thought it was an awful idea to go on AI from the beginning...

I don't think he fully sold-out, but I still maintain the performance on AI will reinforce the general American public's belief that he is a HAS BEEN. My office mate (older than me) is not a Prince fan in the least and she thought the performance was okay--but she also said the whole episode was about seeing "great performers from the past." If it weren't for me, she wouldn't even know Prince was still around.

I don't understand y people r so mad that Prince was on the show. He got the Grand Entrance type performance. He's still the man! Whats so wrong about him doing a show for MUSICIANS?

Sheesh, damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.

Poor Prince!

As long as he's not on an awards show singing like a virgin and toungin' Michael, I don't think he's a sell out.

I'm just thankful I got to see him, and he's puttin' himself out there. You go Prince! Hope to see more of ya!

NOTE: Revised thread title... Hopefully the Napoleon quote will help those who take offense at being called "morons".

O.K., sorry for the bluntness, but anyone who can seriously say Prince sold out, or somehow compromised his integrity last night, doesn't know a thing about what Prince does for a career.

Let me see if I can boil this down for you... Every (say "Every"), musician who has ever had any kind of impact on popular music has "sold out" then, in your terms.

The Stones, Zeppelin, Elvis, Sinatra, Aerosmith, The Who, Dylan (remember Dharma and Greg?, the Beatles... you name it, have ALL used various methods of crossover promotion; whether it be Super Bowl shows, commercials, corporate tours, movie roles.

It's simply assinine to fault Prince for using THE biggest promotional tool to get his music to more people. Not to mention that it is at least a "music-related" show; not simply a widely-seen show.

The same sanctimonious critics have no problem with him doing Leno, Oprah, Ellen. (The last time I checked, those are sellout-machines, where EVERYONE is whore-ing their product, show, cause, talent).

You critics need to wake-up and realize that Prince has proven himself in the past few years, to have excellent instincts and business sense.

To call last night a "sellout", makes you at best, someone who doesn't understand the "business" in "music business", and at worst, a plain hater.

You may now return to fantasyland... Gosh!
[Edited 5/25/06 7:40am]