sallysassalot said:

thanks for repeating yourself, i appreciate it!

i think your possible reasoning may be all well and good but it doesn't change the fact that he made the deal. when he went to universal he surely went there with the knowledge of his Tamar side project. he probably signed a deal that would guarantee a release for Tamar and if not...oh well. that's his bad business decision.

This statement is factless. There is no way of you knowing whether or not this is true, so your message is just a guessing game.

for me, its a turn off when prince behaves as unprofessional as he did with the whole AI thing. what would he do if someone kept him waiting until the last minute? would he wait or would he simply say, "they lose out" and walk away?

I actually agree. I think it was apart of the whole pimp act, but I agree with you.

why was it so bad for prince to talk to those people on the show? i would think if you want to make an impression on someone in the biz the best way to do it is to actually talk to them and make a positive impression as opposed to acting like you are some kind of king.

I don't know why you keep promoting this false negative rumor. The AI producers came out not too long ago, and specifically stated that Prince was never approached to coach or talk to the kids. Their statement was posted on this board and at the Club. They don't even know how that rumor got started. By the way, the kids did get to meet him on Wednesday.


whatever his reasons for doing the show, financial gain or deal clincher, his behavior is tiresome and childish. now i wish he'd shut the heck up with his bible banter. he gives jehovah's witnesses a bad name.

How is Prince's banter different from your constant guessing and speculation on things from which you have no hard facts to back up. I understand it's your opinion but it is unproven.

Now as far as him giving JW's a bad name. I don't know anything about JWs so it's not my place to make such a judgement.
[Edited 5/27/06 14:57pm]

sallysassalot said:

well, that's not exactly fair. where's he complaining about his current deal? he quoted some scripture and pulled one of his aloof pimpdiva-from-mars stunts. it's not like he's writing stuff on his face and ranting about pharoahs and CONtracts. i do think he's playing a game of "read between the lines", but it could just be prince needs a miss manners book or something. who knows?

After having read this entire thread I only ave one thing to say. For those of you who think Prince has sold out, get over yourself. It is HIS career. You are just alone for the ride. If you don't like it, GETT OFF.

herb4 said:

If it's good enough for Stevie it's good enough for Prince. Besides, Prince has a pop side to his music that Dylan and Springsteen don't. Prince has been fortunate that he can walk the line between serious musician and pop star even moreso than the Beatles who were probably the first in this mold. That's primarily what sets him apart from everybody else.

I don't know about y'all but the assless pants and the talking in riddles or via interpreter are far less cool. We should all know by now that the only thing Prince really stands for is music.

BartVanHemelen said:

The problem with what you're saying, is:

1. Prince performed on AI on his own terms. He didn't talk, give advise, guest judge, or anything else the producers would have liked.

2. He didn't perform the usual greatest hits. Yes, he has done a lot of that, but not this time.

3. You seem to be assuming that just because he was on the show he somehow is supporting it. I think he simply believes he's better than it all, and wants to show the show's contestants, judges, and huge audience the same.

for those of you who think doing american idol was beneath prince, you should know where his "twinz" came from...

Princely living for the fallen twin idols
May 27, 2006

BOMBING out of Australian Idol has paid off for Sydney twins Maya and Nandy McClean, who are now living a superstar existence as rocker Prince's latest showgirls.

The McClean sisters haven't looked back since controversially leaving the reality talent show in 2004, when a dummy spit ensued after Maya got through to the Top 30 and Nandy didn't.

Now the newest pair to join Prince's purple reign, the girls have scored several serious touchdowns since their Idol days.

Following their sultry performance's alongside the singer at this year's Brit Awards, the sisters -- known as The Twinz -- will tonight embark on a series of exclusive Prince shows at the Empire Ballroom in Las Vegas.
For $411, just 1500 fans will gain access to Prince's Club 3121, named after his recent hit release.

The hyped shows come just weeks after The Twinz shook their stuff at a private show hosted by Prince at his West Hollywood mansion, where the likes of Bruce Willis, Sharon Stone and Jude Law partied like it was 1999.
It sure is a long way from Channel 10's Idol studios at North Ryde.

"On Australian Idol they showed immense talent, so it's no surprise they are doing so well now," an Idol insider told Confidential yesterday.
In their search for stardom, the twins had roles in Moulin Rouge and TV series Above The Law.

Late last year the sisters left Sydney for Los Angeles, where they caught Prince's eye at an audition for a music video.
After being cast, the pop king asked the girls to join his band.

sallysassalot said:

I already knew that and it doesn't change my opinon that AI was/is beneath him. I also happen to think the Twinz are talentless when it comes to singing--so it figures that they were losers on Australian Idol (which is probably just as cheesy as the American version and obviously has its share of bad singers as well). On their website they state that it would be their dream to work with Michael Jackson...

jone70 said:

close enough.

Graycap23 said:

- I agree totally !!!!

I hate American Idol, and I missed the performance, is there any way that I can see it online?

ndigo said:

Go over to housequake.

NDRU said:

Just because you didnt give a HO an orgasm, doesnt mean you didnt lay in her bed.

I'm glad I can enjoy Prince without placing a million expectations on the guy.
For some of you, it seems Prince has to perform exactly the right song, exactly the right way on exactly the right show at exactly the right time or it's an utter failure.
If he goes out and just has a good time on stage, he's too Vegas-y, if he performs a five minute guitar solo he's too pretentious. If he says sho nuff he's too black. If he performs on a crappy show like AI or the Grammys, he's a sell out. If he doesn't, he thinks he's too good for everyone else. If he mentions anything religious, he's preaching. If he strays from anything he has ever said in the past, he's a hypocrite. And on and on and on.
Do those of you who judge Prince in such black and white terms judge people you actually know and interact with in the same way? I hope not, cause if you do you must be awfully lonely.
I love Prince's music and I love his style. It doesn't matter to me whether 40 people are watching him or 40 million, whether he's at the top of the charts or at the bottom.
I guess in a nutshell what I'm trying to say is Prince and his music are not rocket science or a cure for AIDS. I don't over analyze it because for me it's a pleasure. I mean, I don't spend days or weeks or months or years trying to figure out why I love sex. I just know I love it and that's enough for me.

shygirl said:

although i occassionally blast the guy for being an f up (and i've been expecially down on his vegas prices and possible extended stay in the city), i totally agree with this post! after all, it is only music and he is only human. sure, i'd appreciate a little consistency and less hypocrisy from him but i'ma still play the hell out of his music regardless of his personal antics.

thanks for the on point post!

shygirl said:

E X C E L L E N T P O S T!

Graycap23 said:

I think shygirl has said it all.

This Is Only My Opion,No Offensive Needed:

Prince Is Not A Sell Out,Actually He Is Smarter Than We Give Him Credit For,Being On American Idol Was A Smart Move,He Got Internationl Exposure And I Bet He Will Sell More Records,Cd Globally After American Idol Performance.Prince Did Well When He Was Symbol O+>,But It Isn't Just About Record Companies,I Think He Wanted 2 Create Cd's And Music 2 His Own Taste & For Fams.But I Think He Realized How Corrupt The World & Record Companies Are,And I Think Being On American Idol Will Rocket Sales For 3121,Not Bad For A Lad From Minnesota,He Is Not Dumb At All! Peace O+> "In Order 2 Float 1 Must Not Make Waves"! O+>

My conclusion is that. This is the org. People will over analyze everything they can about Prince to make the answer convenient for themselves.
[Edited 5/29/06 6:48am]

It’s not like Prince was jumping out of his skin to do the show in the first place. I would be more critical of P signing a distribution contract with a major label.. But then again I'm sure the terms of his contract are different than your average up and coming artist would be.


that's life, we all contradict ourselves in one way or another.

Very well put.I cant stand the fake machine that is american idol and i certainly will never buy a kelly Clarkson album.Artists like prince,and james brown had character in the day while todays artists are plastic and wooden.I'm very surprised at prince and i hate simon cowell the most in the music scene.

Imago said:

wha?... what ya say.. her Bust?.. huh?..

Graycap23 said:

Agreed 100% and one main thing: Prince is already and American Idol. He done already got his. He came on a show where constants are still trying to get theirs. And even the past winners, they might have gotten over the winner's hump, but they still have yet to prove if they can have the longevity that Prince has had. Kelly Clarkson is doing well for now, but for how many years?
Will any of them (Kelly, Ruben, Fantasia, Carrie, Taylor) have a #1 top-selling tour, or be inducted into the R & R Hall of fame or any Hall of Fame?

Prince you're not a sell-out for going on AI. You just showed what a true AI is.

A voice supporting the title of the thread: Skip Bayless, a writer on ESPN.com's "Page 2" section.

Next came Prince, singing one of his new songs, which sounds vaguely like his old stuff, just not nearly as great. The old Prince wouldn't have stooped to selling out to appear on this kind of show. This is when doves cry.

namepeace said:

Did he say that before or after his daily donut?

lazycrockett said:

That's a beautiful analogy, but I'd say the contestants are the hoes, AI is the pimp, and Prince is the pimp who pimped the pimp.

Seriously, I understand not liking the show. It's everything that's wrong with the music industry. There's not one contastant who's cd I'd buy. But I just can't see what's wrong with Prince doing his thing on it.

He didn't sing Kiss with Paris, he didn't trade dance steps with Taylor, he didn't appear in any commercials to promote the show (his surprise appearance only helped himself, not the show).

What show should he appear on? Does he have to only appear on shows he likes? Did appearing on SNL somehow indicate that he thinks it's a funny show? Does being on Jay Leno mean he hates Letterman? Does being on Ellen mean he supports gay marriage? Does being on Oprah mean he supports Scientology because Oprah loves Tom Cruise & John Travolta?

What show can a person be on without being a sell out? Say what you like about Prince's new music, I just can't be upset about him appearing on a show and singing his new songs.

Man i really didn't know people would take Prince doing AI so seriously.
I use to think P was a sell-out back when he performed with Beyonce,
But theirs a big difference between selling out and learning how to play the game...

Its not about being a SLAVE and working for the game
its about being a Player, and having it work for you...