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Reply #30 posted 05/18/06 10:18am

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namepeace said:

Shapeshifter said:

There still isn't a definitive Prince book, covering both the music and the personal side - a cross between Possessed and The Vault.


I see what you're saying.

The book on SOTT was really interesting.

I also bet a top-notch music writer like Ashley Kahn -- who wrote tremendous books on the making of A Love Supreme and Kind of Blue -- could really dig into the subject. But for all of the associates, bandmates, muses, paramours, et al. the Kid has had over the years, none of them either know or reveal much inside info.


Mr Leeds was quite candid on here. The SOTT book was fascinating, you're right. I forgot about that one. I'd also love a book on Parade, another hugely ambitious album so ahead of its time no one bothered trying to catch up with it until Outkast released The Love Below (which, for all its strengths ain't Parade).
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Reply #31 posted 05/18/06 2:06pm

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Mr Leeds was quite candid on here. The SOTT book was fascinating, you're right. I forgot about that one. I'd also love a book on Parade, another hugely ambitious album so ahead of its time no one bothered trying to catch up with it until Outkast released The Love Below (which, for all its strengths ain't Parade).


You matched my sentiments on Parade precisely.

TWENTY YEARS LATER, people are still catching up to it.
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Reply #32 posted 05/18/06 4:07pm

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namepeace said:

Shapeshifter said:

Mr Leeds was quite candid on here. The SOTT book was fascinating, you're right. I forgot about that one. I'd also love a book on Parade, another hugely ambitious album so ahead of its time no one bothered trying to catch up with it until Outkast released The Love Below (which, for all its strengths ain't Parade).


You matched my sentiments on Parade precisely.

TWENTY YEARS LATER, people are still catching up to it.



Theres a very good book on albums called Prince by Geoff Brown published in 1995, which covers every song on all the albums from For You to Come and includes the Black album. He reviews every song and discusses each album at the start. The author is a big British fan and he went to the Dirty Mind show and took heaps of photos which are illustarted thruout the volume. Hardly deep but its quite good and his comments are as original as they come eg "For You is a satisfactory if touch lightweight introduction to his raw talent" Dirty Mind, "Warners wanted a consolidating follow up to a pop Million seller, instead they got some guy in his sisters clothese running around town singing about sex in as many places and permutations as possible" It may still be possible to get it.
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Reply #33 posted 05/18/06 5:33pm

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never red a prince book
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Reply #34 posted 05/18/06 5:42pm

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Did anybody read that 33 and a third book about Sign O The Times?
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #35 posted 05/18/06 6:46pm

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never red a prince book



They come in yellow too. wink
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Reply #36 posted 05/20/06 3:38am

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I'm reading, Prince a pop life again. Its like everytime I read it, its like I have never read it before and want to know more, thats the signs a book is good
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Reply #37 posted 05/20/06 4:05am

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"A Pop Life" is the one that reads like a full book to me, it's just a good read. "Slave 2 The Rhythm", "DMSR" or "Possessed" weren't written by people I'd consider that interesting authors, but Dave Hill is a proper author to me - instead of a bibliographer or a columnist type of a writer.
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Reply #38 posted 05/27/06 12:22am

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I was really impressed by Per Nielsen's "Dance-Music-Sex-Romance" book,which I just found about 1.5 years ago. I picked it up in a discount bin at a point where I hadn't listened to Prince's music much for about 10 years. It totally got me back into him, taught me A LOT that I didn't know, and impressed me with it's well-documented, historically accurate, account.

I thought it was a brilliant idea to focus on the first 10 years of Prince's recording career, in order to limit the focus and establish this important period in a definable context. Nielsen's thesis is that the For You to SOTT period is essentially the initial inspiration of Prince's career, after which he was never as creative intuitively.

Of course, the book is very "bare-bones" and has zero secret revelations or controversial points to make, but I respect that. It's written with a respect (but not sycophantic reverance) for Prince. I also tend to favor any biographer who comes from a long history of involvement with the subject. Nielsen worked on the Prince magazine (was it a fanzine?) for 10 years or something before doing the bio which means he's really an expect with his own perspective.

This is why I can't believe some people are recommended the "Possessed" book, which I thumbed through at a bookstore last year. It seemed to be a piece of gossipy-trash, intending to make Prince look as bad as possible. Didn't seem well informed at all. Lacked sources. I'm not interested in this kind of book.

As far as Prince telling his own story, either in autobiography or talking to an official biographer, I can't see that really working. Of course, it would be interesting, but I really think that Prince's ego in the public realm is too large for us to get at the real, regular guy underneath. That's not a knock on Prince, but some performers live behind a persona which is the projection of their ego, and Prince is one of them. I've never, ever, felt like I've seen the real guy from interviews (written or filmed). So I just don't think he would magically remove the veil to talk about himself in frank terms in an autobiography.
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Reply #39 posted 05/27/06 1:11am

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i liked and learned from:

Prince: A Pop Life
DMSR
Possessed

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Reply #40 posted 05/27/06 7:23am

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My god yes...expecially reading things he has said...I just finnished a rare book about him called "Imp of Perverse" by Barney Hoskyns. Omg what a good read! The author had excellent analysis skills, and got qoates from Prince like twenty five years ago that made me see him from a different angle. The only thing that bugged me about the book was the author's harsh critisim of Prince's music. He really ripped apart alot of his songs/albums...but oh well..it's just his opinion of the work..but cool stuff I found in it was something Jill Jones said in the book....like if you're a woman he'll talk your ear off once he trusts you. "He likes to tell stories" she says "and he can size somebody up in minutes and take them off brilliantly. He's got an excellent memory for details" And she also talked about how when he was in the studio with her and he wanted a certain emotion of feel in her voice he'd engage her in a conversation before hand to provoke that inside of her before she started singing. (THAT'S SO COOL!) Jill Jones also said something that I thought was so profound in the book...she said "No one really knows Prince that well. People think they do but none of us does". I'd definatly belive that! biggrin

Yes Prince books I think are one of the reasons I decided I really liked him...because some of the things he has said I can really relate to. biggrin


Im sorry I dont buy this mystical persona bullshit anymore anymore, perhaps at a certain age but not now. Prince is a Gemini (multi personality) and creative person I imagine he is probably quite a camelian when he wants to be and can adopt different personas...like an actor/actress. The thing is Prince is a human being just like all of us, yes he is very talented, yes he is very driven,yes he is a workaholic, yes he has had an amazing career , he is a somewhat interesting individual i agree but besides from that he is human like the rest of us, he has the same fears, and insecurities most people have and no i dont think there is some super hidden mystical thing about him or that he is so different to most people on a emotional and mental level. He is very into what he does and he does what he thinks/feels he needs to do for whatever reasons in terms of his music etc, but what is there to know, Prince is human.
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Reply #41 posted 05/28/06 9:28pm

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Yea as someone else said, it really depends on the book. I personally enjoyed Possessed:The Rise and Fall of Prince by Alex Hahn. I have checked out alot of books about prince from the library from time to time and after reading this book,I had to go buy it (like $16.95+tax at Borders)around the time that it was published. Possessed, gave in depth information about him from the rise (1958-1988) to the fall (1988-2002) of his career. I seriously reccomend this book. It talks about everything from his childhood growing up, to when he became famous, included stuff about Wendy, Lisa, Cat, Apollonia, Vanity, even Mayte (talked about the death of their child in 1996). It has to do with everything associated or dealing with Prince
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Reply #42 posted 05/30/06 12:51am

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OskarKristio said:

Krystal666 said:

My god yes...expecially reading things he has said...I just finnished a rare book about him called "Imp of Perverse" by Barney Hoskyns. Omg what a good read! The author had excellent analysis skills, and got qoates from Prince like twenty five years ago that made me see him from a different angle. The only thing that bugged me about the book was the author's harsh critisim of Prince's music. He really ripped apart alot of his songs/albums...but oh well..it's just his opinion of the work..but cool stuff I found in it was something Jill Jones said in the book....like if you're a woman he'll talk your ear off once he trusts you. "He likes to tell stories" she says "and he can size somebody up in minutes and take them off brilliantly. He's got an excellent memory for details" And she also talked about how when he was in the studio with her and he wanted a certain emotion of feel in her voice he'd engage her in a conversation before hand to provoke that inside of her before she started singing. (THAT'S SO COOL!) Jill Jones also said something that I thought was so profound in the book...she said "No one really knows Prince that well. People think they do but none of us does". I'd definatly belive that! biggrin

Yes Prince books I think are one of the reasons I decided I really liked him...because some of the things he has said I can really relate to. biggrin


Im sorry I dont buy this mystical persona bullshit anymore anymore, perhaps at a certain age but not now. Prince is a Gemini (multi personality) and creative person I imagine he is probably quite a camelian when he wants to be and can adopt different personas...like an actor/actress. The thing is Prince is a human being just like all of us, yes he is very talented, yes he is very driven,yes he is a workaholic, yes he has had an amazing career , he is a somewhat interesting individual i agree but besides from that he is human like the rest of us, he has the same fears, and insecurities most people have and no i dont think there is some super hidden mystical thing about him or that he is so different to most people on a emotional and mental level. He is very into what he does and he does what he thinks/feels he needs to do for whatever reasons in terms of his music etc, but what is there to know, Prince is human.


Ofcourse he is human...I don't like everything about him...I just think there are some people on this earth that inspire and bring out really great things in others and I feel like he is one of these people. He just has a special charisma and other people find him very facinating and enjoy being around him. Do I think there is something mysical about him? Not necessarily...but I do think he is very aware and can tap into his feelings and talents that where others might have trouble doing that in themselves or don't have the confidence to do that as he does. He just is a very dynamic person that I look up to, I wish I had the confidence to be myself as he does.
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Reply #43 posted 05/30/06 10:19pm

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OskarKristio said:

Krystal666 said:

he can size somebody up in minutes and take them off brilliantly. He's got an excellent memory for details" And she also talked about how when he was in the studio with her and he wanted a certain emotion of feel in her voice he'd engage her in a conversation before hand to provoke that inside of her before she started singing. (THAT'S SO COOL!) Jill Jones also said something that I thought was so profound in the book...she said "No one really knows Prince that well. People think they do but none of us does". I'd definatly belive that! biggrin

Yes Prince books I think are one of the reasons I decided I really liked him...because some of the things he has said I can really relate to. biggrin


Im sorry I dont buy this mystical persona bullshit anymore anymore, .

I think it's speaking more to his ability use psychological manipulation on people who were close to him than proclaiming him to be a telepathic mind reader.
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Reply #44 posted 05/30/06 10:35pm

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I learned a lot from the The Sacrifice of Victor picture book biggrin
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Reply #45 posted 06/15/06 11:55am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Did anybody read that 33 and a third book about Sign O The Times?


Yeah. On my way down to London on the train. Excellent read. Pity there wasn't more stuff. Well written!
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