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Reply #90 posted 05/10/06 10:18am

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Rebeljuice said:

ufoclub said:



I'll have to put both up in a music program and check it out, but from memory: the bassline with the popping bass is the same in many, many moments. so are the chords of the synth strings. I think the window squeaking type effect might be in both too...It's like he wasn't finished and continued pushing it into more creative territory by mainly adding the techno synth track, then went buck wild annd just redid it completely in a macho style.


That’s pretty much it. The original version has an organic drum track and the real bassline whereas the dance version has the four-to-the-floor type drum track and a more techno bassline. But the keyboard strings, “squeaky” noise and the vocals are exactly the same. The dance version is longer as the end goes off on its own mission whereas the original builds up to an organic band sound with heavy organ etc before ending quite abruptly (to segue into what the next track was supposed to be I gather)…

I think the dance version is a remix of the original as opposed to a remake… The dance version was used on the beautiful experience film…

But the original version is by far the best… Why he never released that one I don’t know. I get the impression that the Come album contains a few inferior versions of songs, perhaps deliberately… Space (Universal Love mix) is, imo, one of the best P tunes ever…


The dancetechno version has the same real popping bassline too (in addition to the keyboard part). I like the techno dance version the best!
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Reply #91 posted 05/10/06 10:51am

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Come - Space - Pheromone is one of the best 1-2-3's Prince has recorded, in my opinion.


Well said! Thought that to myself many times.
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Reply #92 posted 05/10/06 11:32am

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I always thought that the Come-Space segue didn't quite work so well.
The original Come-Endorphinmachine-Space sequence is a real killer!
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Reply #93 posted 05/10/06 12:09pm

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Thinking about it, Come is better than TGE cos it didnt have so much of that live NPG feel (IMO) so felt more like a Prince album, it was definately better than all the stuff up to Rave and was better than the Symbol album, so it comes just behind D&P and Graffiti Bridge - 3rd best 90s album is pretty good.
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Reply #94 posted 05/10/06 2:51pm

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...which simultaneously ruin any chance of me playing the album in front of anyone else


So true ! How many times I get slapped by a girl just because I introduce her to Prince with this CD, yeah I'm stupid, but sometimes, you never know...

Otherwise I totally agree with you, MY favorite album, perfect tracklist, FAT sound, best Cover, I love the "one word" style trackname etc...
Solo is not that bad and Orgasm is there just for the abrupt & genius ending! (I guess)
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Reply #95 posted 05/10/06 8:45pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

I always thought that the Come-Space segue didn't quite work so well.
The original Come-Endorphinmachine-Space sequence is a real killer!


That's interesting. I've always loved that segue...so much so that I consider Come and Space to be one giant suite. I don't listen to one without the other. I like the way he serves it up chilled for 15 minutes so I can just lay back and....well...chill. I'm trying to envision Endorphinmachine in between and I can't. It seems to interrupt the chillout mode too abruptly for me. Plus I like the way Pheromone pulls me up to a more energized level, with Loose maintaining and even increasing the energy.

My ear is also used to Endorphinmachine maintaining the energy of The Gold Experience after I hear P Control. I like the way P Control clobbers me with the big PHAT beats of the techno R&B style, then Endorphinmachine does the same in the guitar driven rock style.

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Reply #96 posted 05/10/06 10:13pm

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If you take the unreleased test pressing version of this album and combine it with the released version and take off the tracks you don't like, it is one of his best album of the 90s...Interactive, Come, End. Machine, Race, Papa, Dark, etc...just some great stuff.
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Reply #97 posted 05/10/06 11:44pm

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GREAT ALBUM exclaim
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Reply #98 posted 05/11/06 3:05am

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Man I will say, people just diss it as it comes from the time he had beef with Warners and had just changed his name. But if they listen to it, its something else, a very fine album with 8 dope tracks, 1 ok track (orgasm) and 1 bad (solo) track, that can be easily skipped. I have always defended this gem and I won't stop now, especially the tight excellence of Space-Pheromone-Loose, which is comparable to tracks 4-7 of Disc 2 of S.O.T and the first three songs on Controversy and 1999.
I bought this album on its day of release and have loved it ever since. I love the cover artwork too, Prince is dead, I nearly believed it.
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Reply #99 posted 05/11/06 3:38am

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I dig Come quite a bit, but I can see why others write it off so easily.

It's the "contract filler" album, so right away people will be quick to jump to the conclusion that it's shit, and probably won't allow it to grow on them the way they might with Prince's other albums.

The album also just has a real stylistic consistency though, with the poetry and all, so I think people are quick to lose sight of the individual songs there.

I dunno, I can see it growing on people in a big way when Prince passes away. That's when they'll be more receptive to his work as a whole.
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Reply #100 posted 05/11/06 4:34am

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gcu1 said:

BorisFishpaw said:

I always thought that the Come-Space segue didn't quite work so well.
The original Come-Endorphinmachine-Space sequence is a real killer!


That's interesting. I've always loved that segue...so much so that I consider Come and Space to be one giant suite. I don't listen to one without the other. I like the way he serves it up chilled for 15 minutes so I can just lay back and....well...chill. I'm trying to envision Endorphinmachine in between and I can't. It seems to interrupt the chillout mode too abruptly for me. Plus I like the way Pheromone pulls me up to a more energized level, with Loose maintaining and even increasing the energy.

My ear is also used to Endorphinmachine maintaining the energy of The Gold Experience after I hear P Control. I like the way P Control clobbers me with the big PHAT beats of the techno R&B style, then Endorphinmachine does the same in the guitar driven rock style.

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That is certainly true of the released longer re-recording of 'Come', as it's
very laid back compared to the original version. The reason I said I'm not
so keen on the released Come-Space segue is mainly due to the key change
between the two songs. If the final chord of Come was the same as the opening
chord of Space then it would work great, but I'm just not keen on the way it
has to slide down a note or two to get there (it just seems a little awkward
to me). Whereas on the original Endorphinmachine-Space segue the note is the
same (no awkward key change).

The original version of Come is much faster and shorter (and I'm particularly
fond of the remixed version of it too). It was also originally recorded with
Endorphinmachine, so the segue between the two tracks is actually part of
the way the songs were recorded. It always seemed odd to me that Prince kept
part of the segue as the intro to Endorphinmachine on the Gold Experience, as
without Come before it, this 'intro' seemed a little redundant. I think it's
no coincidence that Prince decided to put P Control in front of Endorphinmachine
on the Gold Experience, as P Control has a very similar feel and pace to the
original version of Come (particularly the remix).

Personally, I'd like to have seen an expanded version of Come released using
BOTH versions of the title track. The original shorter faster version to open
the album, and the longer slower one as the closer. Now THAT would have been
something (and I think it would have made it a much stronger cohesive album).
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Reply #101 posted 05/11/06 5:00am

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BorisFishpaw said:

gcu1 said:



That's interesting. I've always loved that segue...so much so that I consider Come and Space to be one giant suite. I don't listen to one without the other. I like the way he serves it up chilled for 15 minutes so I can just lay back and....well...chill. I'm trying to envision Endorphinmachine in between and I can't. It seems to interrupt the chillout mode too abruptly for me. Plus I like the way Pheromone pulls me up to a more energized level, with Loose maintaining and even increasing the energy.

My ear is also used to Endorphinmachine maintaining the energy of The Gold Experience after I hear P Control. I like the way P Control clobbers me with the big PHAT beats of the techno R&B style, then Endorphinmachine does the same in the guitar driven rock style.

.....



That is certainly true of the released longer re-recording of 'Come', as it's
very laid back compared to the original version. The reason I said I'm not
so keen on the released Come-Space segue is mainly due to the key change
between the two songs. If the final chord of Come was the same as the opening
chord of Space then it would work great, but I'm just not keen on the way it
has to slide down a note or two to get there (it just seems a little awkward
to me). Whereas on the original Endorphinmachine-Space segue the note is the
same (no awkward key change).

The original version of Come is much faster and shorter (and I'm particularly
fond of the remixed version of it too). It was also originally recorded with
Endorphinmachine, so the segue between the two tracks is actually part of
the way the songs were recorded. It always seemed odd to me that Prince kept
part of the segue as the intro to Endorphinmachine on the Gold Experience, as
without Come before it, this 'intro' seemed a little redundant. I think it's
no coincidence that Prince decided to put P Control in front of Endorphinmachine
on the Gold Experience, as P Control has a very similar feel and pace to the
original version of Come (particularly the remix).

Personally, I'd like to have seen an expanded version of Come released using
BOTH versions of the title track. The original shorter faster version to open
the album, and the longer slower one as the closer. Now THAT would have been
something (and I think it would have made it a much stronger cohesive album).


That's even more interesting! I would have preferred to hear an expanded version of Come (the album)...if for no other reason than to hear more songs. The title track is easily one of my favs so I wish I could hear all the different versions. I'm still holding out that Prince will consolidate all his remixes, extended and unreleased stuff in some more "Crystal Ball/B-Sides/Ultimate" type releases. I was hoping the 2000s would have MORE of that, not less. I hope he doesn't fall into the trap of just "an album" every two years (YAWN).

BTW - The kind of info you provide, Boris, is the kind of stuff I'm hoping to learn when I finally get my copy of The Vault. It sure is taking forever, though. They must have sent it by media mail.

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Reply #102 posted 05/11/06 5:14am

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BorisFishpaw said:

gcu1 said:



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That is certainly true of the released longer re-recording of 'Come', as it's
very laid back compared to the original version. The reason I said I'm not
so keen on the released Come-Space segue is mainly due to the key change
between the two songs. If the final chord of Come was the same as the opening
chord of Space then it would work great, but I'm just not keen on the way it
has to slide down a note or two to get there (it just seems a little awkward
to me). Whereas on the original Endorphinmachine-Space segue the note is the
same (no awkward key change).

The original version of Come is much faster and shorter (and I'm particularly
fond of the remixed version of it too). It was also originally recorded with
Endorphinmachine, so the segue between the two tracks is actually part of
the way the songs were recorded. It always seemed odd to me that Prince kept
part of the segue as the intro to Endorphinmachine on the Gold Experience, as
without Come before it, this 'intro' seemed a little redundant. I think it's
no coincidence that Prince decided to put P Control in front of Endorphinmachine
on the Gold Experience, as P Control has a very similar feel and pace to the
original version of Come (particularly the remix).

Personally, I'd like to have seen an expanded version of Come released using
BOTH versions of the title track. The original shorter faster version to open
the album, and the longer slower one as the closer. Now THAT would have been
something (and I think it would have made it a much stronger cohesive album).


While I'm at it....I was thinking of tracking down the Letitgo CD single:
1 Caviar Radio Edit 4.59
2 Cavi' Street Edit 5.02
3 Instrumental 5.02
4 On The Cool-Out Tip Radio Edit 4.34
5 Sherm Stick Edit 5.42
6 Original Album Version 5.33

Are these any good?

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Reply #103 posted 05/11/06 5:59am

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Swefan said:

The album sold pretty well in Sweden in the beginning, with the #7 spot as the peak.


It was his last UK #1 album. It sank pretty quickly, tho'.

Dark is the highlight for me and the title track is okay. I'm not so keen on the rest anymore.
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Reply #104 posted 05/11/06 7:05am

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Cloudbuster said:

Swefan said:

The album sold pretty well in Sweden in the beginning, with the #7 spot as the peak.


It was his last UK #1 album. It sank pretty quickly, tho'.

Dark is the highlight for me and the title track is okay. I'm not so keen on the rest anymore.



well you're wrong. smile
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Reply #105 posted 05/12/06 4:14am

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While I'm at it....I was thinking of tracking down the Letitgo CD single:
1 Caviar Radio Edit 4.59
2 Cavi' Street Edit 5.02
3 Instrumental 5.02
4 On The Cool-Out Tip Radio Edit 4.34
5 Sherm Stick Edit 5.42
6 Original Album Version 5.33

Are these any good?

.....[/quote]

My opinion, not really, these mixes dated from a period where he liked to play a version of the song, also for TMBGIW with different instrumental keyboard combinations. You are not missing much unless your a fan of these musical experiments. No6 is OK whereas the first part of the single is an edited version of Come, he had to do it in those day, remember sexy Mutha anyone????
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Reply #106 posted 05/12/06 4:53am

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XxAxX said:

Cloudbuster said:

Dark is the highlight for me and the title track is okay. I'm not so keen on the rest anymore.



well you're wrong. smile


I am? smile
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Reply #107 posted 05/12/06 6:49am

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Cloudbuster said:

XxAxX said:




well you're wrong. smile


I am? smile



sorry, but yes. come is a great album smile
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Reply #108 posted 05/12/06 6:21pm

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I thought I'd jump back in here and make a totally redundant duplicate expression of my earlier statement:

Come is awesome. I like what someone mentioned earlier... the FAT sound. Nicely recorded and mastered, anyone else agree?
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Reply #109 posted 05/12/06 7:45pm

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newpowergeneration said:

I thought I'd jump back in here and make a totally redundant duplicate expression of my earlier statement:

Come is awesome. I like what someone mentioned earlier... the FAT sound. Nicely recorded and mastered, anyone else agree?


Very PHAT...I love it! I'm VERY MUCH in agreement!!!

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Reply #110 posted 05/12/06 10:17pm

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PunchDrunk said:

All the critics reviews you'll read on this album will have it down as one of Prince's low points in his career, and simply a contract-filler. I've heard reviews describe Prince as sounding 'bored' and 'somewhere else' on the album - as if the thing is Prince by numbers.

I couldn't disagree any more. Save for the stupidly stupid 'Orgasm' and 'Solo', which simultaneously ruin any chance of me playing the album in front of anyone else, the album is steller and has some of my favourite ever P moments.

Come - Space - Pheromone is one of the best 1-2-3's Prince has recorded, in my opinion. I love every second of each of those songs. Loose and Race are also really cool tracks, and Papa is something original, thought-provoking, and yet catchy. Letitgo is great, too, and I consider Dark one of the best 90's ballads the guy did.

Anyone else think that, as far as 90's output go - save for a couple of self-indulgent moments - 'Come' is near-perfect?


Congrats...U hit the nail on the head, tho I disagree with ur take on Orgasm....I think its hilarious to play it and watch the uninitiated squirm...not gonna speculate on why they're squirming..... wink

...definitely C-S-P/1-2-3 punch is one of his best....the only one that comes close (to me) is Controversy-Sexuality-Do Me Baby...

...but back on point, Come is an unheralded classic....
He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
(George Eliot)

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Reply #111 posted 05/13/06 4:36am

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XxAxX said:

Cloudbuster said:

I am? smile


sorry, but yes. come is a great album smile


Whatever you say. smile
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Reply #112 posted 05/13/06 7:54am

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Cloudbuster said:

XxAxX said:



sorry, but yes. come is a great album smile


Whatever you say. smile


Yay, whatever *I* say!!!
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Reply #113 posted 05/14/06 9:47am

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Thinking about it, Come is better than TGE cos it didnt have so much of that live NPG feel (IMO) so felt more like a Prince album, it was definately better than all the stuff up to Rave and was better than the Symbol album, so it comes just behind D&P and Graffiti Bridge - 3rd best 90s album is pretty good.


I disagree for the following reasons...

Come was not all round as dynamic as Gold Experience, or LoveSymbol, Come doesnt sound like a full album somehow it feels like there 's something missing. Come has some good tracks but the singles on other two albums are probably stronger and catchier as far as commercial pop music is concerned.

I think Come is probably on par with C&D , but perhaps i would be inclined to listen to Come more, TGE and LS and D&P in my oppinion are overall stronger albums than Come, NPS is probably on par with Come or maybe a little weaker. Emancipation and Rave both stronger albums bur Rave not greatly stronger but stronger as is more varied and dynamic.
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Reply #114 posted 05/14/06 12:26pm

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This was one that took me awhile to like. I didn't even know it was out at the time. I was in the mall and saw a poster or something and was like, huh? Prince has a new one out? So, of course, I bought it on the spot, took it home, and made it to Solo...and put it away until at least when Gold Experience came out and blew me away. I got way back into his stuff and dusted off Come...since then I admit I think its a pretty good album. No where NEAR as great as Gold but good in a Chaos & Disorder kinda way. Space, Phermone, Loose, Papa, Dark, and Letitgo are top songs. The title song is too long and I think of doodie when I hear it when he sings about the shit stain in the chicks underwear...ew.
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