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PrintableDavidEye said: NouveauDance said: Right off the bat it was a 'contractual obligatory' album, released as 'Prince', after he'd started using the stage-name '
 ' - So the image was that he'd chucked together a bunch of masturbatory left-overs to fulfill one more record of his contract.
It's kind of an unsatisfying album, and the jigging around it received didn't help - taking off songs like Interactive and Endorphinmachine. Plus Letitgo, the lead single, is one of the most depressingly turgid songs he's ever released IMO. The released version of the album is very downbeat, almost to a fault by the end of the LP - which is a shame because there's a lot of great upbeat music on there, it just doesn't feel like it by the end of Orgasm. 
It does have Papa though, which is one of the best 90s tracks IMO. I agree,the album is somewhat unsatisfying.It's too laid-back and is missing that "spark" that you normally find on Prince albums.It's not nearly as dynamic as what came before it ('Love Symbol') and what came after it ('The Gold Experience'). See, as much as I love , I felt like "Come" was a nice, concise, unadorned treat after that overblown album. I appreciate short, tight albums. | |
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PunchDrunk said: All the critics reviews you'll read on this album will have it down as one of Prince's low points in his career, and simply a contract-filler. I've heard reviews describe Prince as sounding 'bored' and 'somewhere else' on the album - as if the thing is Prince by numbers.
I couldn't disagree any more. Save for the stupidly stupid 'Orgasm' and 'Solo', which simultaneously ruin any chance of me playing the album in front of anyone else, the album is steller and has some of my favourite ever P moments. Come - Space - Pheromone is one of the best 1-2-3's Prince has recorded, in my opinion. I love every second of each of those songs. Loose and Race are also really cool tracks, and Papa is something original, thought-provoking, and yet catchy. Letitgo is great, too, and I consider Dark one of the best 90's ballads the guy did. Anyone else think that, as far as 90's output go - save for a couple of self-indulgent moments - 'Come' is near-perfect? I LOVE the cd and really dig solo. No song has ever shown off an artist singing range like solo. I love that song. | |
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I love this album and I am sure that one day, the critics will be all over Prince's "contractual obligation" albums - once they look past the media hysteria and actually LISTEN to the albums. Come is a fantastic album - tight and to the point, but at the same time weird as hell and all over the place. The only track I can't really get with is the last one, which I see as kind of phoned-in, since it's basically two old samples tacked together. But it makes for an appropriate ending, so even it is tolerable to me. | |
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Come was ahead of it's time. That's all. Folks weren't ready for it. "Pedro offers you his protection." | |
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Spinlight said: ufoclub said: basically the tchno version utilizes the same basic tracks as the original "live" funk band version. The one that is a completely new version is the one that was released on the album. The only similarities in the Techno and Rock/Funk versions are the vocal tracks. The instrumentation is completely different in all aspects. And yeah, the released R&B/Funk version is completely rerecorded/reworked (in a much more 18 And Over-ish way). I'll have to put both up in a music program and check it out, but from memory: the bassline with the popping bass is the same in many, many moments. so are the chords of the synth strings. I think the window squeaking type effect might be in both too...It's like he wasn't finished and continued pushing it into more creative territory by mainly adding the techno synth track, then went buck wild annd just redid it completely in a macho style. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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EmancipationLover said: Krystal666 said: Yeah I don't want to sound like a conspircy theorist but yes I belive the record lables and the press ARE connected...it's all money to them. Fuck with their money and they will rip u apart. I don't fully believe in this theory. What is the benefit for a record company in getting bad reviews for any of their products? They want to sell the damn CD! 
I believe it's more the critics being somehow blind when it comes to analyze certain developments in the music industry. They somehow live from having this industry which releases records on specific dates to a wide public, so they can write about them. Hence, the same people whose job it should be to separate the good from the bad have been completely dumb when it came to see where the boat was sailing. The awful status of mainstream pop music these days also is a product of these music critic idiots not doing their job properly imo.  You may have a really good point. But back then I did feel the media ganged up on Prince. At the time I didn't understand completley what was going on...I just knew Prince was unhappy with WB...but I thought the music was pretty good...yet lots of reviews painted him as losing his luster? It just didn't seem fair...it seemed very biased and I really didn't see that much Prince's music is going downhill press before the WB split.
I don't want to get into who was right and who was wrong in this whole thing because I don't really know all what happened but I think both Prince and WB were at fault. | |
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And what was up with Chronic Freeze? | |
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Milty said: Solo is one of the greatest things he's ever committed to tape. and it's prolly the last time he dug deep down to deliver a performance like that for a record.
Oh yeah. I first heard that on the UK Letitgo single (wayyy before I became a fan... I was just so fascinated in the record shop that he spelt it Letitgo and not Let It Go... I was like 12 ok!), and it is stunningly beautiful. I'm sure plenty of people that diss this go on and on about how great 'God' is. Hehe. Plus, yeah, I love Come, I love all his 90s output! But Come was dark and amazing at the time, I remember the sheer excitement of the weekend I bought it with a mate and we were listening to it, and by 'Papa' we were just ... wow. | |
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GangstaFam said: And what was up with Chronic Freeze?
What about Crysanthemum Dream? Ok I know not strictly related to Come but the name appeared on a remix for Rosie Gaines' 'I Want U' maxi in the UK... sounds a bit Prince-a-delic to me. We should start a Prince wiki. | |
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newpowergeneration said: What about Crysanthemum Dream? Ok I know not strictly related to Come but the name appeared on a remix for Rosie Gaines' 'I Want U' maxi in the UK... sounds a bit Prince-a-delic to me.
We should start a Prince wiki. Yes. Or a Princebonics dictionary. | |
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Contract filler or not, I like it. It was the 3rd Prince album I owned and I'm still not tired of it. Orgasm is a bit much though.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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I think this album is Fantastic -
'Space' is one of the best songs ever written IMO 
'Ive never been 1 2 hide my feelings, Baby, u blow my mind I painted your face upon my ceiling, I stare at it all the time...'
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Odd this thread came up, yesterday was the first time I listened to it in full. It pretty good minus Orgasm. Not a favorite but shouldn't be bashed at the same time 'A pillow covered in all our tears' | |
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newpowergeneration said: Plus, yeah, I love Come, I love all his 90s output! But Come was dark and amazing at the time, I remember the sheer excitement of the weekend I bought it with a mate and we were listening to it, and by 'Papa' we were just ... wow. AMEN! ..... Just say "NO" to cow mucus consumption! | |
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wendyrachel said: I think this album is Fantastic -
'Space' is one of the best songs ever written IMO Double AMEN!! ..... Just say "NO" to cow mucus consumption! | |
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bkw said: Come is not a bad album at all, just not all that it could have been. He used the wrong version of Come, the earlier grittier one was way better and he should have left Orgasm off. In addition, the removal of Interactive and Endorphinemachine left it a little bare.
However, the 92-95 period was probably Prince's second greatest after 82-87 in his career. If you want to hear just how good he was then just go and listen to Boris's great 3cd set called "The Dawn". There are so many great tracks. ABSOFUCKENLUTELY--that DAWN set should be released by PRINCE himself to show everyone how much great stuff he did in the 92-96 era. | |
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origmnd said: bkw said: Come is not a bad album at all, just not all that it could have been. He used the wrong version of Come, the earlier grittier one was way better and he should have left Orgasm off. In addition, the removal of Interactive and Endorphinemachine left it a little bare.
However, the 92-95 period was probably Prince's second greatest after 82-87 in his career. If you want to hear just how good he was then just go and listen to Boris's great 3cd set called "The Dawn". There are so many great tracks. ABSOFUCKENLUTELY--that DAWN set should be released by PRINCE himself to show everyone how much great stuff he did in the 92-96 era. Okay, this is like the 3rd time I've asked. Can someone please post that? | |
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GangstaFam said: origmnd said: ABSOFUCKENLUTELY--that DAWN set should be released by PRINCE himself to show everyone how much great stuff he did in the 92-96 era. Okay, this is like the 3rd time I've asked. Can someone please post that? Yes, what is The Dawn? An abandoned project of the 90's...? | |
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jacobpb said: Yes, what is The Dawn? An abandoned project of the 90's...? Something delicious that Boris put together. | |
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Krystal666 said: EmancipationLover said: I don't fully believe in this theory. What is the benefit for a record company in getting bad reviews for any of their products? They want to sell the damn CD!
I believe it's more the critics being somehow blind when it comes to analyze certain developments in the music industry. They somehow live from having this industry which releases records on specific dates to a wide public, so they can write about them. Hence, the same people whose job it should be to separate the good from the bad have been completely dumb when it came to see where the boat was sailing. The awful status of mainstream pop music these days also is a product of these music critic idiots not doing their job properly imo. You may have a really good point. But back then I did feel the media ganged up on Prince. At the time I didn't understand completley what was going on...I just knew Prince was unhappy with WB...but I thought the music was pretty good...yet lots of reviews painted him as losing his luster? It just didn't seem fair...it seemed very biased and I really didn't see that much Prince's music is going downhill press before the WB split.
I don't want to get into who was right and who was wrong in this whole thing because I don't really know all what happened but I think both Prince and WB were at fault. I guess we all have our own oppinions but I think in many ways Prince ;s music did go a little downhill since the WB split, but i dont think it was as a result of that. | |
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jacobpb said: GangstaFam said: Okay, this is like the 3rd time I've asked. Can someone please post that? Yes, what is The Dawn? An abandoned project of the 90's...? "The Dawn" (the real one) is an album that Prince has had many attempts at making over the years. The first time was back in 1986 (didn't get very far) then again in 93/94ish (hence all the "welcome 2 the Dawn..." segues on the Gold Experience) and again in 1996 (was going to be the follow-up album to Emancipation). Unfortunately, hardly anything is known about any of the incarnations of "The Dawn". All we know about the 93/94 "The Dawn" is that it would've featured a lot of the tracks that got used on 'Come', 'The Gold Experience', 'Chaos and Disorder', 'Crystal Ball' etc. and there was a good chance that it was intended as a triple album. So I put together my own personal "what if?" compilation a few years back, which is now 'out there' (so to speak). It's not meant to be a faithful recreation of how the album would've been, it's more a personal interpretation based on what is known (which is very little) and my experiment in mixing and segueing. Anyway, enough disclaimers and rambling, here's the tracklist... Act 1: 01. Welcome 2 The Dawn (2:05) 02. Npg Operator (0:11) 03. Come (part 1) (4:21) 04. Endorphin Machine (3:50) 05. Space (5:10) 06. Days Of Wild (7:15) 07. NPG Operator (0:17) 08. The Most Beautiful Girl In The World (4:55) 09. The Pope (4:32) 10. Ripopgodazippa (4:37) 11. NPG Operator (0:05) 12. Race (8:20) 13. Empty Room (3:16) 14. NPG Operator (0:06) 15. Mad (4:32) 16. Rock & Roll Is Alive (4:31) 17. Shhh (6:57) 18. Strays Of The World (4:41) Act 2: 01. Pussy Control (5:38) 02. NPG Operator (0:09) 03. Peach (3:05) 04. Chaos & Disorder (4:12) 05. Shy (4:55) 06. NPG Operator (0:15) 07. Pheromone (4:27) 08. 319 (3:19) 09. Hide The Bone (5:05) 10. 18 & Over (6:21) 11. NPG Operator (0:13) 12. Lemme See That Body Get Loose (4:31) 13. Papa (2:48) 14. NPG Operator (0:06) 15. Billy Jack Bitch (7:05) 16. Eye Hate U (8:50) 17. Let It Go (5:29) 18. Don't Talk 2 Strangers (3:12) Act 3: 01. Interactive (3:01) 02. Acknowledge Me (6:33) 03. NPG Operator (0:09) 04. Somebody's Somebody (3:41) 05. Love Sign (4:36) 06. What's My Name (3:01) 07. The Ride (8:31) 08. NPG Operator (0:19) 09. Now (3:59) 10. Face Down (2:10) 11. NPG Operator (0:12) 12. 2morrow (4:07) 13. The Same December (3:26) 14. Extraordinary (2:26) 15. Dolphin (6:17) 16. Come (part 2) (9:12) 17. NPG Operator (0:38) 18. Gold (7:22) . | |
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Hmm. You mixed songs from the Hits, 1-800-New Funk, Come, Gold Experience, Gold single with Rock & Roll Is Alive, Chaos & Disorder, Emancipation, Crystal Ball, the Truth and the Vault together. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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Boris, is the Welcome 2 the Dawn that kicks off the start of the first CD the same as Welcome 2 the Dawn (Acoustic Version) that's on The Truth? | |
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newpowergeneration said: Boris, is the Welcome 2 the Dawn that kicks off the start of the first CD the same as Welcome 2 the Dawn (Acoustic Version) that's on The Truth?
Yes (well it's a shorter edit of the song) Almost every song on there is an alternate version or mix of 2 different versions or edited in some way. | |
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come is one of my favorite Prince albums. who said it was bad? | |
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It's possible our opinion of his music(in the 90's) was negative due to all of the negative press surrounding Prince atthat time. I don't believe he put any must have efforts on the shelves. "Emancipation", "Gold", "Come" were good in sections, but not as total projects.
My two favorite songs on the album are "Come", which minus all of the pussy-licking, is a great band record dishing out an ass kicking. "Solo", to me, is a great track, original; something we have never really heard Prince do before. There is more money in boobs than there is in God- Jessica Simpson | |
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Come is ok album but not so good. I like Space, Letitgo & Dark a lot but the rest is just ok. It's better than C&D & NPS but not better than the other albums than was released in the 90's.. In my opinion | |
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BorisFishpaw said: jacobpb said: Yes, what is The Dawn? An abandoned project of the 90's...? "The Dawn" (the real one) is an album that Prince has had many attempts at making over the years. The first time was back in 1986 (didn't get very far) then again in 93/94ish (hence all the "welcome 2 the Dawn..." segues on the Gold Experience) and again in 1996 (was going to be the follow-up album to Emancipation). Unfortunately, hardly anything is known about any of the incarnations of "The Dawn". All we know about the 93/94 "The Dawn" is that it would've featured a lot of the tracks that got used on 'Come', 'The Gold Experience', 'Chaos and Disorder', 'Crystal Ball' etc. and there was a good chance that it was intended as a triple album. So I put together my own personal "what if?" compilation a few years back, which is now 'out there' (so to speak). It's not meant to be a faithful recreation of how the album would've been, it's more a personal interpretation based on what is known (which is very little) and my experiment in mixing and segueing. Anyway, enough disclaimers and rambling, here's the tracklist... Act 1: 01. Welcome 2 The Dawn (2:05) 02. Npg Operator (0:11) 03. Come (part 1) (4:21) 04. Endorphin Machine (3:50) 05. Space (5:10) 06. Days Of Wild (7:15) 07. NPG Operator (0:17) 08. The Most Beautiful Girl In The World (4:55) 09. The Pope (4:32) 10. Ripopgodazippa (4:37) 11. NPG Operator (0:05) 12. Race (8:20) 13. Empty Room (3:16) 14. NPG Operator (0:06) 15. Mad (4:32) 16. Rock & Roll Is Alive (4:31) 17. Shhh (6:57) 18. Strays Of The World (4:41) Act 2: 01. Pussy Control (5:38) 02. NPG Operator (0:09) 03. Peach (3:05) 04. Chaos & Disorder (4:12) 05. Shy (4:55) 06. NPG Operator (0:15) 07. Pheromone (4:27) 08. 319 (3:19) 09. Hide The Bone (5:05) 10. 18 & Over (6:21) 11. NPG Operator (0:13) 12. Lemme See That Body Get Loose (4:31) 13. Papa (2:48) 14. NPG Operator (0:06) 15. Billy Jack Bitch (7:05) 16. Eye Hate U (8:50) 17. Let It Go (5:29) 18. Don't Talk 2 Strangers (3:12) Act 3: 01. Interactive (3:01) 02. Acknowledge Me (6:33) 03. NPG Operator (0:09) 04. Somebody's Somebody (3:41) 05. Love Sign (4:36) 06. What's My Name (3:01) 07. The Ride (8:31) 08. NPG Operator (0:19) 09. Now (3:59) 10. Face Down (2:10) 11. NPG Operator (0:12) 12. 2morrow (4:07) 13. The Same December (3:26) 14. Extraordinary (2:26) 15. Dolphin (6:17) 16. Come (part 2) (9:12) 17. NPG Operator (0:38) 18. Gold (7:22) . Interesting, thanx for info.. | |
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ufoclub said: Spinlight said: The only similarities in the Techno and Rock/Funk versions are the vocal tracks. The instrumentation is completely different in all aspects. And yeah, the released R&B/Funk version is completely rerecorded/reworked (in a much more 18 And Over-ish way). I'll have to put both up in a music program and check it out, but from memory: the bassline with the popping bass is the same in many, many moments. so are the chords of the synth strings. I think the window squeaking type effect might be in both too...It's like he wasn't finished and continued pushing it into more creative territory by mainly adding the techno synth track, then went buck wild annd just redid it completely in a macho style. That’s pretty much it. The original version has an organic drum track and the real bassline whereas the dance version has the four-to-the-floor type drum track and a more techno bassline. But the keyboard strings, “squeaky” noise and the vocals are exactly the same. The dance version is longer as the end goes off on its own mission whereas the original builds up to an organic band sound with heavy organ etc before ending quite abruptly (to segue into what the next track was supposed to be I gather)… I think the dance version is a remix of the original as opposed to a remake… The dance version was used on the beautiful experience film… But the original version is by far the best… Why he never released that one I don’t know. I get the impression that the Come album contains a few inferior versions of songs, perhaps deliberately… Space (Universal Love mix) is, imo, one of the best P tunes ever… |
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Rebeljuice said: That’s pretty much it. The original version has an organic drum track and the real bassline whereas the dance version has the four-to-the-floor type drum track and a more techno bassline. But the keyboard strings, “squeaky” noise and the vocals are exactly the same. The dance version is longer as the end goes off on its own mission whereas the original builds up to an organic band sound with heavy organ etc before ending quite abruptly (to segue into what the next track was supposed to be I gather)… I think the dance version is a remix of the original as opposed to a remake… The dance version was used on the beautiful experience film… But the original version is by far the best… Why he never released that one I don’t know. I get the impression that the Come album contains a few inferior versions of songs, perhaps deliberately… Space (Universal Love mix) is, imo, one of the best P tunes ever… The original version of "Endorphinmachine". | |
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