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PrintableKrystal666 said: WildheartXXX said: Agree totally. You can also look to the complete ignorance of The Gold Experience when critics discuss his best albums. Yeah I don't want to sound like a conspircy theorist but yes I belive the record lables and the press ARE connected...it's all money to them. Fuck with their money and they will rip u apart. I don't fully believe in this theory. What is the benefit for a record company in getting bad reviews for any of their products? They want to sell the damn CD! 
I believe it's more the critics being somehow blind when it comes to analyze certain developments in the music industry. They somehow live from having this industry which releases records on specific dates to a wide public, so they can write about them. Hence, the same people whose job it should be to separate the good from the bad have been completely dumb when it came to see where the boat was sailing. The awful status of mainstream pop music these days also is a product of these music critic idiots not doing their job properly imo.  | |
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Milty said: what rock version?
The song Come went through some different guises before it ended in the smooth R&B suite that was featured on the album. The version I am talking about is sparsely arranged, with a kickdrum and the sample to get ya going... His vocal delivery is dead pan instead of the honey dripping vocals on the released version. I certainly like this version best of the studio recordings. During the previous year, on tour, Prince used to play an encore that consisted of the rock version of Come, incorporating the lyrics of What's My Name, before launching off into Endorphin Machine and Peach. Three (four, really) unreleased killer songs as encore. When Prince then started taking apart those recordings to fit several releases, he seemed not to be able to fit that original version into the picture he had in his head and then re-recorded into the, to me, rather boring version... |
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I always liked loose, papa and let it go the best off of come. Not his best album but it's good and I enjoy it. |
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I just don't get the whole 'bored' critiscm, though. The whole feel of the album is laid back, chilled and cool. I don't want Prince overplaying and getting all self-indulgent on songs like 'Come' and 'Space' - those kind of songs were made to be performed like that. | |
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Milty said: what rock version?
The version from the Beautiful Experience video, although it's not exactly rock. | |
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I dont know why COME is considered a bad album, it and The Truth, are probably.
the only 90's album i ever listen to. God knows i NEVER listen to The Gold Experience, and i know that stupid thing thing gets lots of love araound here. | |
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For me, it´s one of the best Prince albums ever! Love it. It took me a while to get into it though, but eventually I totally fell in love with it. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Imago said: The really underrated album of that era in my opinion is not COME, but Chaos and Disorder. . [Edited 5/5/06 20:28pm] Agreed ! Come for me was supposed to be an EP released in the summer of 93. The confusion over the "retirement" and name change hindered any musical quality the album had IMO. As with all Prince music post Purple Rain one should go back and listen carefully years after the intial release to get the full effect of the album. |
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PunchDrunk said: All the critics reviews you'll read on this album will have it down as one of Prince's low points in his career, and simply a contract-filler. I've heard reviews describe Prince as sounding 'bored' and 'somewhere else' on the album - as if the thing is Prince by numbers.
I couldn't disagree any more. Save for the stupidly stupid 'Orgasm' and 'Solo', which simultaneously ruin any chance of me playing the album in front of anyone else, the album is steller and has some of my favourite ever P moments. Come - Space - Pheromone is one of the best 1-2-3's Prince has recorded, in my opinion. I love every second of each of those songs. Loose and Race are also really cool tracks, and Papa is something original, thought-provoking, and yet catchy. Letitgo is great, too, and I consider Dark one of the best 90's ballads the guy did. Anyone else think that, as far as 90's output go - save for a couple of self-indulgent moments - 'Come' is near-perfect? I dont think it was a particuliarly bad album, I really like some of the tracks on it, I dont think there was much promotion behind it and it probably wasnt too pop friendly or chart friendly compared to previous albums in that time, Im not sure if I would rank it as overall better than Dianmonds and Pearls, LoveSymbol, or GoldExperience, but I agree there were some great tracks on it, my faves would be Come,Space,LetitGo, I suppose it was a somewhat shorter album than others just before it, or at least it seems shorter from memory. | |
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A good solid album. One of his best in the 90's. "The little 1 will escort u 2 the places within ur mind" | |
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POOK LOVE THIS RECORD IT DOWN AND DIRTY LIKE ELECTRO DIRTY MIND P o o |/, P o o |\ | |
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POOK said: POOK LOVE THIS RECORD IT DOWN AND DIRTY LIKE ELECTRO DIRTY MIND GREAT way to describe it. |
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I really dislike this album - it was another of the releases that made you believe it would be so good, and then it delivered so little. Out of all of it the only tracks I ever liked were "Loose!", "Papa", "Pheromone" and, to a lesser degree, "Race", but none of them really stand up as Prince classics for me. One of the biggest let-downs of it for me was the title track - so good in its earlier incarnations as played live on the "Act II" tour and also on the "The Beautiful Experience" TV show, but radically different and, to my ears, awful, on record. |
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gcu1 said: PunchDrunk said: All the critics reviews you'll read on this album will have it down as one of Prince's low points in his career, and simply a contract-filler. I've heard reviews describe Prince as sounding 'bored' and 'somewhere else' on the album - as if the thing is Prince by numbers.
I couldn't disagree any more. Save for the stupidly stupid 'Orgasm' and 'Solo', which simultaneously ruin any chance of me playing the album in front of anyone else, the album is steller and has some of my favourite ever P moments. Come - Space - Pheromone is one of the best 1-2-3's Prince has recorded, in my opinion. I love every second of each of those songs. Loose and Race are also really cool tracks, and Papa is something original, thought-provoking, and yet catchy. Letitgo is great, too, and I consider Dark one of the best 90's ballads the guy did. Anyone else think that, as far as 90's output go - save for a couple of self-indulgent moments - 'Come' is near-perfect? Come is one of the few Prince albums I love from beginning to end! The critics were probably still yanking their wanks to the 80s. I'm glad I didn't listen to their Bullshit...I would have missed out on some masterful songwriting and sound production from The Artist during the swingin' 90s!!! ..... Universal Love Remix of Space is excellent too....I forgot about that one. ..... Just say "NO" to cow mucus consumption! | |
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Come was a pretty cool cd, I had an argument with a buddy of mines, he says come is better than Gold Experience & Chaos & Disorder. For some strange reason I probably listen to Chaos & Disorder the most, then Come & finally Gold. I think P should have just taken the best songs from those 3 cds plus Exodus & came out with a slammin' double cd. |
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GangstaFam said: Milty said: what rock version?
The version from the Beautiful Experience video, although it's not exactly rock. Nah... That's the dance version. There really is a rock-esque version with the dead pan vocal delivery. It has a rock funk bass to the fore and I believe the only version of it circulating is when it was played over the PAs at Glam Slam. | |
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Spinlight said: GangstaFam said: The version from the Beautiful Experience video, although it's not exactly rock. Nah... That's the dance version. There really is a rock-esque version with the dead pan vocal delivery. It has a rock funk bass to the fore and I believe the only version of it circulating is when it was played over the PAs at Glam Slam. basically the tchno version utilizes the same basic tracks as the original "live" funk band version. The one that is a completely new version is the one that was released on the album. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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Come is not a bad album at all, just not all that it could have been. He used the wrong version of Come, the earlier grittier one was way better and he should have left Orgasm off. In addition, the removal of Interactive and Endorphinemachine left it a little bare.
However, the 92-95 period was probably Prince's second greatest after 82-87 in his career. If you want to hear just how good he was then just go and listen to Boris's great 3cd set called "The Dawn". There are so many great tracks. When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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bkw said: Come is not a bad album at all, just not all that it could have been. He used the wrong version of Come, the earlier grittier one was way better and he should have left Orgasm off. In addition, the removal of Interactive and Endorphinemachine left it a little bare.
However, the 92-95 period was probably Prince's second greatest after 82-87 in his career. If you want to hear just how good he was then just go and listen to Boris's great 3cd set called "The Dawn". There are so many great tracks. Could somebody please post that for me? | |
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ufoclub said: Spinlight said: Nah... That's the dance version. There really is a rock-esque version with the dead pan vocal delivery. It has a rock funk bass to the fore and I believe the only version of it circulating is when it was played over the PAs at Glam Slam. basically the tchno version utilizes the same basic tracks as the original "live" funk band version. The one that is a completely new version is the one that was released on the album. The only similarities in the Techno and Rock/Funk versions are the vocal tracks. The instrumentation is completely different in all aspects. And yeah, the released R&B/Funk version is completely rerecorded/reworked (in a much more 18 And Over-ish way). | |
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Individually, it has some stunning tracks (Race, Papa, Loose, Pheremone), but as a whole, it sounds chucked together, even with the segues trying their best to bind it.
It doesn't help that the versions of Come, Space and Dark are considerably weak. . |
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I bought Come on release date and really dug it, but then I played it 2 do waning Prince fan friends and they REALLY didn't get into it, which sorta reduced my enthusiasm - so it's not just the critics!
I think that this is one of the "difficult" albums - trax too long, styles all over the place, SOLO, Papa, Orgasm, all making it hard to "swallow." OTOH, my bro told me last year that he'd just "discovered" a P album from the 90s which kicks ass - it wasn't hard to work out which one he was talking about. This was the first time P went full JB with the horns and all, and I think that was cool. Plus the electro experimenting was timely. Dark is simply one of his most beautiful songs. But it was one of the first alums that leaves you feeling that something's not quite right - that he could've done it better, or even messed it up on purpose. A feeling which was destined to recur over the coming 8-10 years..... "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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The album sold pretty well in Sweden in the beginning, with the #7 spot as the peak. | |
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But it was one of the first alums that leaves you feeling that something's not quite right - that he could've done it better, or even messed it up on purpose.
A feeling which was destined to recur over the coming 8-10 years.. Exactly I agree, I was trying to put my finger on what it is about this album that makes it not so great, I think it might be the lack of variety, there's not really a lotta light and shade ,if you look at the few albums that preceded it they were much more dynamic and colourful.This album could of been lot stronger if it was little more dynamic. I agree with You this album was the beginning of what i see as a kind of confusion of direction in Prince's albums, I think Prince ended the roll he was on in the 80's with Graffiti Bridge, having said that Diamonds and Pearls and LoveSymbol were quite reasonable but they marked some kind of departure to the Prince of old, and I think Come and many of the albums that followed were albums that somehow didnt live up to the consistancy and creativity of 80's Prince. | |
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NouveauDance said: Right off the bat it was a 'contractual obligatory' album, released as 'Prince', after he'd started using the stage-name '
' - So the image was that he'd chucked together a bunch of masturbatory left-overs to fulfill one more record of his contract.
It's kind of an unsatisfying album, and the jigging around it received didn't help - taking off songs like Interactive and Endorphinmachine. Plus Letitgo, the lead single, is one of the most depressingly turgid songs he's ever released IMO. The released version of the album is very downbeat, almost to a fault by the end of the LP - which is a shame because there's a lot of great upbeat music on there, it just doesn't feel like it by the end of Orgasm. 
It does have Papa though, which is one of the best 90s tracks IMO. I agree,the album is somewhat unsatisfying.It's too laid-back and is missing that "spark" that you normally find on Prince albums.It's not nearly as dynamic as what came before it ('Love Symbol') and what came after it ('The Gold Experience'). | |
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Come is a prime example of how you can have a collection of actually very good
(on the whole) tracks, but not have it add up to a satisfying album. Come is only half the album it was intended to be. Basically, Prince put together the minimum he felt he had to when he submitted the album to WB. It's not that the tracks themselves are bad, it's that Prince was using them as 'contract filler' and stripped the album down to as little as possible, using an overly long version of the title track and the segues and Orgasm as a way of 'padding' the album out. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: Come is a prime example of how you can have a collection of actually very good
(on the whole) tracks, but not have it add up to a satisfying album. Come is only half the album it was intended to be. Basically, Prince put together the minimum he felt he had to when he submitted the album to WB. It's not that the tracks themselves are bad, it's that Prince was using them as 'contract filler' and stripped the album down to as little as possible, using an overly long version of the title track and the segues and Orgasm as a way of 'padding' the album out. That's exactly the feeling I get when I play this album.It sounds skimpy and incomplete....like he was intentionally holding back.At the time of it's release,fans were aware of strong,powerful songs like "Interactive","Days Of Wild","Acknowledge Me",etc,but none of those great songs are nowhere to be found on 'Come'. | |
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I made my own expanded version of 'Come' way back (using the mixes off The Dawn)
and it worked really well as a much longer album. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: I made my own expanded version of 'Come' way back (using the mixes off The Dawn)
and it worked really well as a much longer album. Please post all that. | |
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