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Reply #30 posted 05/22/06 4:15pm

NDRU

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Does your friend realize Jimmy Page produced Led Zeppelin?
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Reply #31 posted 05/22/06 5:47pm

ThePunisher

The studio is Prince's world. No producer on this planet could deal with him. But if he ever wants to get back to being played on the radio. Using them could get him there.. But I doubt he'll ever be open to the idea
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Reply #32 posted 05/22/06 7:30pm

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Anx said:

prince is an excellent musician and a great creator of melodies and lyrics, but i don't think he has a sense of music outside of his own little sphere, and i don't think he cares. of course collaborating with a producer would be a fantastic challenge for him, but it'll never happen because prince doesn't want to be challenged by anyone but himself.


nod Too bad, though disbelief
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Reply #33 posted 05/22/06 7:45pm

1999n3121

That would be from the viewpoint of someone who thinks they are necessary to the conversation. They might be recommended, but I think in the end, the only way a person can really do whe he/she really wants on such an endeavor is to produce themselves.
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Reply #34 posted 05/22/06 7:49pm

bellanoche

or andy kaulkin's "live band" one take production
- Prince already did this.

I agree with the poster who said that Prince needs some good old fashioned competition. Back in the day when Rick James, The Time and others were kickin ass, that forced Prince to up his game. There's such a dearth of talent out there that it is easy for a musician to stay on cruise control. If you look at the greatest periods of various musical genres, there were many top notch musicians pushing one another. Just look at late '50s to '60s Jazz. Now look at today's Jazz artists overall. Case closed.
perfection is a fallacy of the imagination...
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Reply #35 posted 05/23/06 2:07pm

wavesofbliss

he could definately use an good editor. i understand what they co-work means about him sounding "samey" to paraphrase. i think it would benefit him greatly to truly collaborate on a project from the ground floor up. he is still very closed off and in need of an injection. 3121 is the most solid work in the last 15 years but 'black sweat' sounds like he regurgetated the backing track from 'nasty girl' and used different lyrics. it's just not necessary.

but recalling what prince himself has said and what alan leeds said in the org interview, prince will always be too self-conscous(sp)to work on music that way.

i'm thinking of the 1985 rolling stone interview when he said something like " i just don't fell comfortable if i'm not totally in control of what's going on inthe room" he was responding to the question about why he didn't participate in 'we are the world', iirc.

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Reply #36 posted 05/23/06 2:11pm

Graycap23

Prince is Prince.....it can be no other way.
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Reply #37 posted 05/23/06 6:53pm

BEAUGARDE

bellanoche said:

or andy kaulkin's "live band" one take production
- Prince already did this.

I agree with the poster who said that Prince needs some good old fashioned competition. Back in the day when Rick James, The Time and others were kickin ass, that forced Prince to up his game. There's such a dearth of talent out there that it is easy for a musician to stay on cruise control. If you look at the greatest periods of various musical genres, there were many top notch musicians pushing one another. Just look at late '50s to '60s Jazz. Now look at today's Jazz artists overall. Case closed.

I agree, Prince can produce hits 4 himself, it's just that P wants 2 play it safe (his mind is set on Rightin' The Wrong in music). Back in the daze P was the most rawest Pop singer, hardcore if U will! Because he had to take out Rick & Morris. He wants to set an example for these new schoolers. If he had a producer they would quickly turn him back into what he was (he can do that himself) but thats not what he wants. wink
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Reply #38 posted 05/24/06 10:26am

BEAUGARDE

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Would Prince let anyone ( else ) take the reigns ? Who would dare ?

Just asking ...


AtWaD and Parade were pretty much done by Wendy and Lisa... so why not now? but not W and L someone that knows how to produce.

Here we go again with this Wendy & Lisa business! The only Prince album they produced was their debut album, it's honestly the only cd by them that I can stomache. it's actually a masterpiece.
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Reply #39 posted 05/24/06 10:29am

BEAUGARDE

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metalorange said:

Prince produces himself just fine. He's had 4 USA number one albums, I should think that's more than most producers or artists producing themselves, certainly over the time period involved. 3121 being number one surely makes him an 'in' producer right now (alright, the ticket promotion helped but only because he has built a fan-base that are so desperate to see him live that they would buy multiple copies. I'm sure many other artists would utilise that promotion strategy if they could). I'm sure there are many artists who would love Prince to produce them if only he was someone they could hire.

I think the definition of 'producer' has changed over the years, particularly recently with the huge amount of singers incapable of producing a note themselves or of having an original song idea. A producer should be someone who enables the artist or band to achieve the vision they have for their music but don't have the over-all knowledge to accomplish it. Someone to book the studio, hire technicians and session musicians, make day to day decisions on how best to record the music to achieve the effect the artists envisage. For all of that, Prince doesn't need anyone.

These days producers now create the sound for the artist - they have a particular sound the artist comes to them for and direct the artist so that they fit in with this sound. If Prince did this, sure his music might sound a bit like someone elses, but is that what we want? Is that growth? A producer is there to make a hit album, not encourage growth.

I refute the idea that Prince's music has not grown over the years, it's grown as much as any other artist I could think of and therefore the notion that 'a musician cn never grow if they produce themselves' is false. Each of Prince's albums have been unique visions from his own imagination, not the imagination of anyone else, and not all have been completely successful but part of growth is making mistakes, not constantly taking a safe established route ie changing your sound and trying new things.

Most people say that Prince should have a producer to stop him from releasing certain songs or make him re-do songs better. You would be hard to find someone with the experience that Prince has whose decisions are going to be any more valid than Prince's own. Even people with the calibre of Quincy or Stevie can make mistakes, and often do, so that is not inherently a solution.



totally disagree..there have always been producers who molded the artist and there always have been producers who were less hands on...same as it ever was.


artist who are less hands on but create an enviroment for the artist to thrive:

jon brion
tchad blake
rick ruban
craig street
andy kaulkin

prince should do himself a favor and call any one of these pronto...

I can see you're still hatin'!
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