SlamGlam said:

You are correct about name changes not voiding any contracts. However, I ran into Prince's half-sister Sharon not long after the name change, and she said he DID change it to get out of the Warner's contract. Obviously, it didn't void the contract but it did get Warners to want him gone, and that's what he really wanted.

RodeoSchro said:

ahhh so it was a PR move to make is so difficult for WB to promote him that they would not resist his move to get out of the contract as soon as possibale. But didn't he fulfill the terms as far as # of albums?

I think so, but I don't really know. The talk back then was that "Chaos and Disorder" and "The Vault" were throwaways done to fulfill the contract.

SlamGlam said:

i guess i'm missing the big deal of all this.

prince is a pop star. american idol is a pop show. two great tastes that taste great together. its not like prince is some indie, artsy, homegrown kinda artist who is not about to sell out by doing major tv.

you like prince, right? you wanna see prince on tv, right? why would anyone who likes prince and wants to see prince on tv not want him to be on the most popular tv show in the nation? i don't much care for the show either but i'll be sure to watch it if prince is on.

in my mind, it doesn't lessen prince's worth but rather increases my interest in idol.

Prince himself has said in interviews that "record companies are good when you're an artist just starting out" so I dont think appearing on American Idol is selling out or a bad move at all.


- dolphinking

Ideally they would show Prince pre- recorded interacting with the contestants perhaps him on the piano whilst they sing (how many typical viewers even know he is a mighty fine pianist)

Then after the contestants have done some lame ass covers of LRC or whatever he could come on live and do a kick ass version of Fury followed by instantly leaving the stage in triumph cue an extra 500k album sales!!! and plenty of positive media coverage etc..


However in reality we would probably get some kinda left field pre-recorded bible class preaching interaction with the contestants followed by a live interaction between prince and Ryan Seacrest with him sucking on a lollipop and answering in some vague otherwordly manner to whatever banal question Ryan asks him followed by a live performance where they go to add break just before the guitar solo of Fury.


Followed by a return to Simon Cowell who says something to make Prince look like a jerk!!!which unfortunately most of middle america will agree with!!

Man though wouldnt the first scenario be cool! shame it aint gonna happen

WinstonChurchill said:

lol, I like the way you think!

NO! and again I say NO!...not that I dont want him to sell boocoo albums just not by going on THAT show...

CherrieMoonKisses said:

but why? will it somehow change the content of the new record? will it alter all the brilliant stuff he's done? i guess i could understand the big opposition to his appearance on the show if someone could reasonably explain what the big deal is.

sallysassalot said:

because it would just suck.

That show is full of talentless, karoake bar rejects.

The reason these idiots haven't been discovered before this show is they don't have it.

They just simply don't. No amount of shoving them down America's throats will change that fact.

It would be a sad day for Prince fans if he did that show. Very disappointing.




Could you find a bigger contrast to Princes genius and abundance of talent than American Idol?

roanmairin said:

so now that you've told me all the reasons the contestants aren't worth watching, can you tell me why it wouldn't be worth watching prince on the show? seems to me that you would enjoy seeing actual talent on the show since you think there's a lack of talent now.
[Edited 4/24/06 12:05pm]

What's AI?

Oh, I see. American Idol.

yes, why not give them some advice.

sallysassalot said:

There are countless venues worthy of Prince's talents.

A cheesy talent show is not one of them.

roanmairin said:

a venue which is based on the desire for pop stardom is a very worthy place for a pop idol to appear.

sallysassalot said:

Perhaps.

American Idol is trying to fast track stardom. Forget massive talent, years of experience, paying your dues, earning skills and stage pressence through years of practice and training we can give it to you in a few easy weeks.

At the end of the day you get what you put into it. Crap.

Prince is the antithesis of what American Idol is doing.

All the talent shows in the world will never give them that certain factor which makes superstars.

It is actually a mockery of people like Prince, who are so full of talent and charisma they were destined for greatness.

They desire pop stardom but they don't want to earn it.
[Edited 4/24/06 13:39pm]

jaynoonan said:

roanmairin said:

that's one way of looking at it. its also one way of making a lot of assumptions about people.

you really don't know how long some of these people have been working at it. the biz is all about making connections. american idol is a connection. kelly clarkson is doing pretty well for herself. considering how many people the industry turns out and how many actually make it anywhere, i'd say the odds on american idol are pretty good. what's it been four, five seasons? i know at least two names from the show and i don't even watch it.

i still think somne people need to wake up and realize prince is part of that machine, try as he may to convince people otherwise. he's a pop star wanting to have continued success. how he gets that success is irrelevant as long as its not hurting anyone. the same goes for anyone on american idol.

and you won't have to watch it if it airs, either.

by the way...you do realize we're talking about an artist whose latest collection is featured at starbucks, right? why is prince somehow above american idol?

sallysassalot said:

That's a whole different pile of sad state of affairs.

I knew the fuck would sell out. He cares more about promotion then art. So, when he does it, and goes back to number one, you all will say it was because he is good, not because of being on that stupid show..lol

2freaky4church1 said:

But even before that I knew you would post something like this.

2Freaky4Church,

U are just wrong in saying people would by Prince's CD because of AI and not because it was good. There are a lot of things in the world that are good, but fail to find an audience due to poor promotion. Prince has a good CD that needs better promotion. AI is almost like a free Super Bowl ad that WORKS!

ashynevermind said:

Yep!

i can't hold back any longer
if prince goes on this show...he is the biggest FRAUD there is
here's my reasoning behind this:
all of that real musi cby real musicians talk would mean BS
all of that CONtract talk would mean BS
all of that so-called idol worship aka FANatic would mean BS
and i can continue 2 go on and on why this is career suicide
(short term-he will reap the benefits, long term-he will be viewed by musicians/artists as a fucking joke)

on a personal note i cannot fathom seeing him prostituite himself like
that
one thing i had pride in being a prince fan was that i could say "oh he would never do that"
but if he does, he's a washed up attention whore just like the rest of them
( i already had a feeling he was, but doing AI would make it offcial)
4 the first time in my life, this would b something i would have 2 pass on
i just cant see him do that 2 himself and his career
(as i get ready 2 cut eye holes in my purple paper bag 2 put on my head in shame)

pt.2
after reading some of the pro-ai posts
i wanted 2 respond in a more dignified manner than b4
going on ai isnt a bad idea if u r kenny rogers or lionel richie
meaning if u r an entertainer/singer who doesnt have a CHANNCE in the world 2 produce the record sales u once did b4, by all means go ahead.

these kids these days dont give a fuck about prince and will not give a fuck about him afterwards.3121 debuted at #1 (whether that was due 2 universal or people like us)...there's no need 2 whore urself by going on american idol.
american idol is a system. the past winners like clarkson are owned by simon's production company. she and the rest of them have a certain percentage of their royalties owed to simon's compnay. they are (2 paraphrase the whore) "still on the plantation". when they are no longer needed, they will no longer be around

whereas if u're a musician who actually creates music and has something 2 say like a van hunt or a me'shell ndegeocello, u have a fucking hard time getting ur artistry heard because of the dumbing down of the music listener. people think that just becuase u can over-vocalize aka the mariah,u r a good singer.

someone said if prince auditioned 4 ai, he wouldnt even make it 2 hollywood and that is true. oh so true. so if he is going on that show. the hope of the musician/artist's window is closed!!!

revolution75 said:

INTERMISSION:

There's an easy fix for that. He gives them the "avoid the pitfalls" pep talk. The one where he tells them to find a happy balance etc...
The one where he teaches about compromise without selling your soul.

It's the sound byte some will need to hear. After that, all will be fine.

anon said:

I think he'll be on now..he was holding out for that Pickler chick to be ghost.