Novabreaker said: Okay, so if my favourite Prince song is "Uptown", does that mean the rest of his career has been a failure since?
Honestly speaking, yes. If someone hits two home runs in their first two at bats and never hits another homerun, then that person more or less peaked in their first game and failed to reach those heights again. If "Uptown" was a homerun for you and everything else Prince did was just bunts, singles, or walks, then one would have to say he failed. Paul McCartney's better days were with The Beatles, Robert DeNiro's better days were the seventies and early eighties, Irvine Welsh peaked with "Trainspotting" -- all artists tend to peak and then lose something. And, yes, even Prince. It is a crime for me to say that Prince peaked with the song "Mountains"? Does that make his career since then a failure? Of course not. But did he put it all together and peak with the song "Mountains"? Yes. "Mountains" was a World Series winning grand slam homerun. All that followed (though still great) never was able to touch the spectacular "Mountains." | |
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"Mounatins" is a great song. I just bought "PARADE" on CD the other day (the vinyl has long been packed away) and I'm still blown away by it. When this joint came out in 86, NOTHING on the radio sounded like it. This song (and the entire LP) has Wendy and Lisa's stamp and color all over it. Prince definetly lost a little bit of that melodic color when he lost Wendy and Lisa. | |
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SPYZFAN1 said: "Mounatins" is a great song. I just bought "PARADE" on CD the other day (the vinyl has long been packed away) and I'm still blown away by it. When this joint came out in 86, NOTHING on the radio sounded like it. This song (and the entire LP) has Wendy and Lisa's stamp and color all over it. Prince definetly lost a little bit of that melodic color when he lost Wendy and Lisa.
Well said. That PARADE album and that song "Mountains" just jump out of the speakers like nothing else. It is so alive. Even the oh, so quiet "Sometimes It Snows In April" has a huge, powerful sound that grabs you. | |
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PurpleKnight said: Okay. I disagree.
I'll take a bunch of Prince songs since then over Mountains. Sign 'O' The Times, Adore, The Question of U, Joy in Repetition, The Love We Make, etc. etc. How can you put The Question Of U, The Love We Make and Joy In Repetition in the same catergory as Sign O The Times and Adore ???? Shut up already, damn. | |
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pepper7 said: PurpleKnight said: Okay. I disagree.
I'll take a bunch of Prince songs since then over Mountains. Sign 'O' The Times, Adore, The Question of U, Joy in Repetition, The Love We Make, etc. etc. How can you put The Question Of U, The Love We Make and Joy In Repetition in the same catergory as Sign O The Times and Adore ???? i would..i dont consider any of them as good a Moutains..but they are all up there as one of my favs. Space for sale... | |
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uh, you think that "Face Down" was good?
I am horrified. Mountains was good, no doubt. But to say it's the last song Prince did that was good is going too far. So you think he hasn't done a good song since Prince and the Revolution was together? and you liked Face Down? wow | |
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Cloreen said: I don't want to bring anyone's head down, I don't want to spoil the party here, but Prince has not written a great song since "Mountains" -- that's a twenty year dry spell!
I just listened to "Mountains" today and it is monumental. It is mighty. Majestic. MAGNIFICENT! What song since "Mountains" can you say that about? Sure Prince has written many, many great song over the past twenty years, but nothing has come close to the masterpiece that is "Mountains." "Mountains" - Prince's last masterwork. I love that song. Yeah, "1+1+1=3" is great, "Face Down" is fantastic, "Sign O The Times" is out of this world, and "I Wish U Heaven" is wonderful, but Prince has never been able to come close to "Mountains" in twenty years. (In all honesty, no musical artist has been able to come close to "Mountains".) I've finally given up hope that Prince will top "Mountains." I've waited twenty years, I guess it's time to finally admit Prince will never write a song better than "Mountains." A part of me is sad over that. It's only mountains and the sea.... Come on, sing along to Prince's best. I love this song. More so now than when I first listened to it god knows how many years ago ! "Love will conquer if you just believe" For me the mountains represent the obstacles that you have to get over in life. They seem enormous and you think that you'll never get over them. Mountains are often refered to spiritually. People often use the expression "You can move mountains with prayer" It's like telling us to have faith and believe in the unbelievable. Shut up already, damn. | |
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sosgemini said: pepper7 said: How can you put The Question Of U, The Love We Make and Joy In Repetition in the same catergory as Sign O The Times and Adore ???? i would..i dont consider any of them as good a Moutains..but they are all up there as one of my favs. I think Sign Of The Times and Adore are up there with Mountains. But The Question Of U, The Love We Make and Joy In Repetition aren't nearly as close. Shut up already, damn. | |
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pepper7 said: sosgemini said: i would..i dont consider any of them as good a Moutains..but they are all up there as one of my favs. I think Sign Of The Times and Adore are up there with Mountains. But The Question Of U, The Love We Make and Joy In Repetition aren't nearly as close. Although I like "Mountains", I think all 5 of those songs are superior. I could name several others as well. I suppose everybody has their favorites. It's just going a little too far to say Prince hasn't done a thing since whatever your fav. song is. For me, I can never pick a favorite when so many songs have there own vibe to them. | |
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alwayslate said: uh, you think that "Face Down" was good?
I am horrified. This is supposed to be about "Mountains," but, yes, "Face Down" is very good. Remeber when Prince TRIED to be all trippy with "Around The World In a Day," or "Paisley Park"? Well, he failed miserably trying to get that trippy feel. Ten years later when he wasn't even trying he achieved that weird, spacey, trippy feel beautifully with "Face Down." Besides, I saw him perform "Face Down" live and it brought the house down. It's a great song. You feel differently, no problem. | |
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Many of Sign of the Times is better than Mountains. I could at least understand if you were saying he hasn't done a thing since Lovesexy.
I still love 3121 though. Some of it ranks UP there with the classics, like the Word and Fury. It's goin' down y'all.
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I prefer Love than mountains ANd family name.
hell i even take face down over mountaisn anyday. i particuloarlly rate mountains as boring music with great lyrics and interesting arrangments. | |
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Cloreen said: Novabreaker said: Okay, so if my favourite Prince song is "Uptown", does that mean the rest of his career has been a failure since?
Honestly speaking, yes. If someone hits two home runs in their first two at bats and never hits another homerun, then that person more or less peaked in their first game and failed to reach those heights again. If "Uptown" was a homerun for you and everything else Prince did was just bunts, singles, or walks, then one would have to say he failed. Paul McCartney's better days were with The Beatles, Robert DeNiro's better days were the seventies and early eighties, Irvine Welsh peaked with "Trainspotting" -- all artists tend to peak and then lose something. And, yes, even Prince. It is a crime for me to say that Prince peaked with the song "Mountains"? Does that make his career since then a failure? Of course not. But did he put it all together and peak with the song "Mountains"? Yes. "Mountains" was a World Series winning grand slam homerun. All that followed (though still great) never was able to touch the spectacular "Mountains." You said the VERY OPPOSITE in the same post a couple of sentences earlier. And "failed miserably" on ATWIAD? Are you putting that song down? | |
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i absolutely LOVE "Mountains" -- it probably is in my Top 5 (or even Top 3) Prince songs.
I think he's done equally classic music since. I don't think he's done equally classic "large" songs since. "Mountains" is a big, audacious stunner of a song: Booming drums; lush instrumentation; sweeping chord changes (an astounding bridge and vamp, to boot); lyrics that cover world and romantic politics and romantic theology, if you will; hidden, cryptic lyrics ("starvation"); and a latin jazz vamp on the extended version. To say there isn't another "Mountains," is less an indictment than I think you mean for it to be. I don't think there should be another "Mountains." The first, as good as it was, did quite a bit. And, gosh, "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker" is equally stunning to me. But, dynamically, it's the opposite of "Mountains." It tells a story, features sparse instrumentation in a downright claustrophobic arrangement and is far shorter. If anything, I mourn the fact that both songs are representative of the sorts of things he no longer does or does as well. | |
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ThreadBare said: i absolutely LOVE "Mountains" -- it probably is in my Top 5 (or even Top 3) Prince songs.
I think he's done equally classic music since. I don't think he's done equally classic "large" songs since. "Mountains" is a big, audacious stunner of a song: Booming drums; lush instrumentation; sweeping chord changes (an astounding bridge and vamp, to boot); lyrics that cover world and romantic politics and romantic theology, if you will; hidden, cryptic lyrics ("starvation"); and a latin jazz vamp on the extended version. To say there isn't another "Mountains," is less an indictment than I think you mean for it to be. I don't think there should be another "Mountains." The first, as good as it was, did quite a bit. And, gosh, "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker" is equally stunning to me. But, dynamically, it's the opposite of "Mountains." It tells a story, features sparse instrumentation in a downright claustrophobic arrangement and is far shorter. If anything, I mourn the fact that both songs are representative of the sorts of things he no longer does or does as well. beautifully said...now VOGUE!! Space for sale... | |
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Cloreen said: I don't want to bring anyone's head down, I don't want to spoil the party here, but Prince has not written a great song since "Mountains" -- that's a twenty year dry spell!
I just listened to "Mountains" today and it is monumental. It is mighty. Majestic. MAGNIFICENT! What song since "Mountains" can you say that about? Sure Prince has written many, many great song over the past twenty years, but nothing has come close to the masterpiece that is "Mountains." "Mountains" - Prince's last masterwork. I love that song. Yeah, "1+1+1=3" is great, "Face Down" is fantastic, "Sign O The Times" is out of this world, and "I Wish U Heaven" is wonderful, but Prince has never been able to come close to "Mountains" in twenty years. (In all honesty, no musical artist has been able to come close to "Mountains".) I've finally given up hope that Prince will top "Mountains." I've waited twenty years, I guess it's time to finally admit Prince will never write a song better than "Mountains." A part of me is sad over that. It's only mountains and the sea.... Come on, sing along to Prince's best. There's nothing greater, u and me looking for you in the woods tonight Switch FC SW-2874-2863-4789 (Rum&Coke) | |
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sosgemini said: ThreadBare said: i absolutely LOVE "Mountains" -- it probably is in my Top 5 (or even Top 3) Prince songs.
I think he's done equally classic music since. I don't think he's done equally classic "large" songs since. "Mountains" is a big, audacious stunner of a song: Booming drums; lush instrumentation; sweeping chord changes (an astounding bridge and vamp, to boot); lyrics that cover world and romantic politics and romantic theology, if you will; hidden, cryptic lyrics ("starvation"); and a latin jazz vamp on the extended version. To say there isn't another "Mountains," is less an indictment than I think you mean for it to be. I don't think there should be another "Mountains." The first, as good as it was, did quite a bit. And, gosh, "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker" is equally stunning to me. But, dynamically, it's the opposite of "Mountains." It tells a story, features sparse instrumentation in a downright claustrophobic arrangement and is far shorter. If anything, I mourn the fact that both songs are representative of the sorts of things he no longer does or does as well. beautifully said...now VOGUE!! I got yer Vogue, Gemini Boy!!!! | |
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Novabreaker said: Okay, so if my favourite Prince song is "Uptown", does that mean the rest of his career has been a failure since?
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What? Some people DONT like FACE DOWN?
Further crack evidence... | |
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I love the video too, still haven't heard the 12' | |
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I love Parade, especially Girls and Boys. That song just swings. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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parade is the best thing he's ever done IMO | |
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Cloreen said:[quote]I don't want to bring anyone's head down, I don't want to spoil the party here, but Prince has not written a great song since "Mountains" -- that's a twenty year dry spell!
I just listened to "Mountains" today and it is monumental. It is mighty. Majestic. MAGNIFICENT! What song since "Mountains" can you say that about? Sure Prince has written many, many great song over the past twenty years, but nothing has come close to the masterpiece that is "Mountains." u iz nutz or high or somethin, cuz he has had better songs since.... Stand Up! Everybody, this is your life!
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Cloreen-
"....Honestly speaking, yes. If someone hits two home runs in their first two at bats and never hits another homerun, then that person more or less peaked in their first game and failed to reach those heights again. If "Uptown" was a homerun for you and everything else Prince did was just bunts, singles, or walks, then one would have to say he failed...." If you think Prince peaked with "mountains" that's fine. That's your deal. However, your baseball analogy is screwed up. In sports, success depends upon scores and stats. A home run has a certain worth or value. However, with a song (or any art) success is MUCH more subjective than a homerun. To some, "mountains" could be Prince striking out. Therefore, Prince isn't necessarily in a slump if it's only in YOUR mind or opinion. "New Power slide...." | |
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skywalker said: Prince isn't necessarily in a slump if it's only in YOUR mind or opinion.
Of course it is my opinion. How could I possibly write and speak for millions of Prince fans? I feel Prince peaked with "Mountains." You may say he peaked with "Bambi." Others may say he peaked with "Fury." No matter how you slice it, the guy had to peak somewhere in his long recording career. I feel it is with "Mountains." | |
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Cloreen said: skywalker said: Prince isn't necessarily in a slump if it's only in YOUR mind or opinion.
Of course it is my opinion. How could I possibly write and speak for millions of Prince fans? I feel Prince peaked with "Mountains." You may say he peaked with "Bambi." Others may say he peaked with "Fury." No matter how you slice it, the guy had to peak somewhere in his long recording career. I feel it is with "Mountains." So what are we talking about then? The need to hold up our favorite "Prince time" as the apex of his greateness? My favorite Prince time was "Violet the Organ Grinder". Do I think that was Prince at his peak? No. Let me ask this--Why the need to have your favorite Prince song/era/etc. be acknowledged as "his peak"? Just curious. [Edited 4/17/06 12:02pm] "New Power slide...." | |
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skywalker said: Let me ask this--Why the need to have your favorite Prince song/era/etc. be acknowledged as "his peak"? Just curious.
Simple. I would love to hear another tune as monumental as "Mountains." I listened to it for the billionth time a few days ago and I just shook my head in amazement and thought, "Man, he hasn't been able to even come close to this." I think his current 3121 is a great record. But, come on, you have to admit that there is almost a laziness that is present and that laziness has been present for many, many years. Do you think Prince was lazy when he made "Mountains"? I don't. You can see Prince working so hard, gritting his teeth to craft "Mountains" into what it is. You think he put that much blood, sweat, and tears into "Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic"? Much of his work after "Mountains" is achieved on talent alone. The passion, fire, drive that is in "Mountains" I think is a thing of the past now. | |
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Cloreen said: skywalker said: Let me ask this--Why the need to have your favorite Prince song/era/etc. be acknowledged as "his peak"? Just curious.
Simple. I would love to hear another tune as monumental as "Mountains." I listened to it for the billionth time a few days ago and I just shook my head in amazement and thought, "Man, he hasn't been able to even come close to this." I know what you're talking about, but I disagree with the concept of there being a "peak" in general, especially as any individual song. "When Doves Cry" made me a fan, and it is still my undisputed favorite song and I'm sure it always will be, but it doesn't do for me what "Crystal Ball" does, or "The Word" or "U're Gonna C Me." I rank my favorites like anyone else, but I would never pick one song as his peak. I love "Mountains" too. ...: s l o w l y c a n d l e b u r n s :... | |
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