i was thinking 3121 contains good production,but i heard van hunts new album: on the jungle floor.
wow,wow,wow the production is much better then prince's last studio effort.
its so fluent,organic it just grabs you and it doesn't let you go.
prince still haves nice music ideas but his production is under big question mark.
3121 production sounds sterile,dated,emancipation like,unfinished,cheap .
same thing about musicology.
love sounds like continental.
i wonder how can somebody make the rainbow children album with amazing production and after that he makes 3121?
maybe we all just listen to much of prince's music.

3121 needs to be remastered.



Can't spell numbers edit
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2015 is total crap

ok i see this is going to "pribce is god thread"

thebanishedone said:

When has Prince's music really sounded organic? Usually, it's synth driven, drum machines, swirling keys, guitar licks and bites, etc. Call it sterile, dated, whatever- it's how Prince does it. Play any of the "classics" for someone not in the know. They will give you a good 1st impression- Dirty Mind, 1999, even parts of Sign 'O' the Times sound do not sound "organic" and could be called "dated". As far as Prince goes, I think The Rainbow Children is kind of the exception as far as how Prince "sounds" production wise. With Prince the sound is usually a variation of what the MPLS sound is. It's key board driven music because it's how Prince does it. Point is, you are just noticing his production now?
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when had prince's music sounded organic???
well on these albums
for you,prince,dirty mind,contraversy,sign o the times,diamonds and pearls,symbol,gold ,chaos and disorder,the truth,news,expectations,madhouse,rainbow children,musicology,so better question is when did it not sound organic.

when had prince's music sounded organic???
well on these albums
for you,prince,dirty mind,contraversy,sign o the times,diamonds and pearls,symbol,gold ,chaos and disorder,the truth,news,expectations,madhouse,rainbow children,musicology,so better question is when did it not sound organic.

squirrelgrease said:

wait... what?

thebanishedone said:

Maybe we need to define "organic". You used the example of The Rainbow Children. The albums listed above have some of the same production qualities, but not much. That album sounds and feels "warm" and mostly has a natural sound. There are several examples of Non-organic sounds in the albums you listed-especially the early ones. Follow me:

Dirty Mind- This is one chirpy album, the synths are very new wave, and used in a punk funk fashion. Not very organic. The key board solos are totally machine sounding.

Controversy-Organic? Okay if you say so. I think the array of linn machine driven songs would disagree with you. The album is very plugged in and electric. Do the drum machines and pounding synths sound organice to me? Not so much. Annie Christian-organic? No cold and dissonant, in fact.

Sign O' the Times- Sometimes sure. Prince started using the synths a bit less and had introduced the warmth of horns. Still, songs like Hot Thing and U got the Look are straight up electric.

Diamonds and Pearls and 0(+>? Sure, I'll give you these. This is when Prince made his sound bigger and stopped doing his minimalistic thang as much. Much more use of strings, horns, and "real" instruments. Still "I wanna melt with U" is not very organic.It's damn near techno.

Gold Experience- Organic? I don't know. In parts it is. However, synth dominates a lot of these songs. Pussy Control especially. That being said, this album is a lot more warm and "organic" than say 1999.


Chaos and Disorder- Organic for the most part. However, you bitched about the production techniques and "cheap" sound of Emancipation. That sound is apparent on many tracks on this album. Especially, Dig U Better Dead and I rock, Therefore I am.

The Truth, News, xpectation, and the Madhouse albums- mostly very organic. Yet, there is frequent flourishes of a definite unnatural synth noises. Sometimes there are jarring unorganic sound FX like on the song The Truth.

Musicology? Didn't you 1st list this as an example of Prince's lack of organic sounding production? What do you mean then?

Bottom line: Prince's Minneapolis sound is synth driven and not usually known for being "organic". It can be like on the song "1+1+1=3". However, songs on 3121 are sort of like Prince going back to his original sound. Especially on a song like "Black Sweat".
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there are a couple REALLY well-produced songs on this album
and then a couple REALL bad produced songs on this album
I'm not sure why that is -- same producer, right??

Snap said:

some people dont know what the hell they are talking about....

Have to check the album from van hunt

I think a song like beautiful,l&b has a really bad and cheap drum sound...
the good thing about his music is, imo, that his best songs never sound old...

IMO, Prince could do with some new influences production-wise, everything just seems to roll into one over the past decade or so.

PurpleKnight said:

OK. So I mis-typed a four digit album title.

squirrelgrease said:

squirrelgrease said:

I didn't even notice that, I was wondering what you would do in a remaster of it.

thebanishedone said:

I don't care if the song is tongue in cheek, I just couldn't vibe with the whole "down here in Hell" song. It was almost poisonous to listen to.

skywalker said:

I agree with a lot of your post. I noticed that u left off the 1999 album. What's your take on that album, in the scope of this topic?

prettymansson said:

if u only knew

"I agree with a lot of your post. I noticed that u left off the 1999 album. What's your take on that album, in the scope of this topic?"

To me, 1999 is maybe Prince's most "mechanical" computerized album. It was very 80's futuristic type stuff. That being said, Prince has always been able to make the coldest computerized nosies have soul. 1999 is a perfect example of that.

How about Steely Dan? I don't care for the music..but the mixing and production is very clear, polished and strong..vibrant, full..not flat-sounding... I'd highly recommend anyone to give a listen and compare w/other stuff. I wish Prince chose this route more like on the Gold Experience.

I think he was going for a retro-vibe with a flat sounding production, mastering on Musicology... Thought it sounded like crap, but then again didn't care for the music.

squirrelgrease said:

dang!!!

already???

Van Hunt's cd SMOKES! Only critique I could make is that sometimes he's lost in his influences. You hear shades of Prince, Jimi Hendrix, Curtis Mayfield and Prince (did I say that already?). Purple heads need to get it...NOW. Production is great. Sometimes dirty, sometimes pristine, but all intentional and fonky as a ho after a convention.

jacobpb said:

Steely Dan frickin' rules. I hear something new and warm everytime I listen to an album. The right instruments are always up front. I think the key to good production relies on the artist's intentions. It's like writing and directing movies. Or commissioning a painting. If the artist produces it and he's got virtually unlimited time and money, then it came out the way it was supposed to sound. If the director IS the writer of the movie, it is the same.