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Reply #30 posted 07/18/02 12:40pm

wellbeyond

SkletonKee said:

What I dont understand is, why do they have to get all emotional when people have a different view then them? Just understand its an opinion and agree to disagree...IMHO. wink

I think it depends on how the view is voiced...some on here don't simply say "We Gets Up is not a very good song, in my opinion"...they say "You must have your head so far up Prince's ass that you would think a fart sounds melodious!!...'We Gets Up' is horrid!!"... wink

The art of debate, at least in America, is quickly turning into the art of the soundbite...we don't know how to recognize a debate, we dont' know how to analyze during a debate, and we sure as hell don't know how to take it when someone analyzes our views during one...
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Reply #31 posted 07/18/02 1:12pm

TheBluePrince

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korovyov said:

the only thing that has changed is that I learned that a good majority of Prince's fans hate him and hate fams. doesn't seem to make sense does it?
[This message was edited Thu Jul 18 8:50:15 PDT 2002 by korovyov]


I agree, i've learned some interesting things about Prince that I didn't know. Mostly, I've learned that people at the org are very 'bitter' towards Prince.

I've always knew that Prince isn't perfect, he's human, why is that so difficult for people at the org to grasp. None of you are perfect, you come here just to criticize somebody else's humanity. Only God can judge him "Bottom line."

You can post all the silly, hateful, critical, smart-ass, sarcastic posts you want. None of us are perfect, and I bet, some of us are messed up in the head, waaayy more than Prince.

Prince isn't perfect, and you're not either!

But how many albums have you come out with?

What have you done the past 20 years to change the face of modern music?

Are you a musical Icon? I don't think so...

Blue Cashmere
Don't Play Me
Blue music
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Reply #32 posted 07/18/02 1:13pm

Abrazo

wellbeyond said:

I agree with you, Abrazo, except for this one line: "Like wellbeyond pointed out, before he came here, his "prince world" was fairly small and there were lots of things he didn't know about... much easier that way to stay in state of "bliss" about the man and the music."

Since you mentioned me, I wanted to point out that I was never in a state of "bliss" about the man...only about his music...I really didn't think much, if at all, about Prince the person...for the most part it was irrelevant to my enjoyment of the music...


sorry wellbeyond... I mean of course bliss about the man and/or his music. In your case that would be just the music. Nevetheless, the 'love" (can I say that? lol) for the man's music also brought you here... and this place probably showed you more about "the man" than you would have liked.
Knowing more about the man behind the music could effect your "bliss" about the music... if you let it, which I think is not the case with you.
Tho' you can't argue that the overall negative opinion about for example "New power soul' didn't affect your own opnion about it as well wink
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Reply #33 posted 07/18/02 1:17pm

GoldiesParade

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In coming to Prince Org I have realised that I am not the only person to type utter nonsence.

I am also please to find out that I am certainly no "fam", to that end I thank my Org mentor, the one and only Mr Icenine.
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Reply #34 posted 07/18/02 1:19pm

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TheBluePrince said:

Only God can judge him "Bottom line."




I would like to point out the fact that there are millions of people who do not believe in the existence of a god, therefore giving a mythological figure the exclusive rights to anything is nonsensical.

Just an opinion...
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Reply #35 posted 07/18/02 1:23pm

SensualMelody

IceNine said:

wellbeyond said:

I hardly doubt I'll be better of if while eating my favorite meal at a restaurant, I'm constantly being told by others at my table how nasty tasting my food really is, and that I need to "wake up" and realize it..lol..
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SensualMelody said:

My sentiments, exactly! There are some who seem to be
determined to make sure others don't like Prince TOO
much (for their own good). If someone is satisfied
with something, let him be that way. It contributes
to his personal happiness. A baloon never stays inflated
forever. Don't spoil my joy by constantly reminding
me of this. Just let me play with it while I can.
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ICENINE: Classic! :LOL: Yeah, I agree with that. I also mentioned that it is much more important to have opposing views on important things... When it comes to people's appreciation of music, everything is an opinion and nobody's opinion is better than anyone else's.
***


SensualMelody said: SO TRUE!


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---ICENINE: You are damned right! There was a time in my life when I was extremely in to Prince... his newer music doesn't thrill me that much, but I still want to hear it all... even preaching and all that... I gotta hear it. I still think that he is one of the greatest live performers ever!

On your last point: I was just thinking about that exact same thing earlier and I wondered if the population of those who call themselves "fams" is comprised mainly of people who have not been into Prince for a LONG time and he is newer to them.



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SensualMelody said:

The only problem I have here is the use of the "fam" term.
I know we have beaten the topic to death...but I like
the term. To me, it does not make me feel familial
with Prince, but a kindred with others who like him.
I have no posters, no pictures, of Prince, but I have
pictures I took with other Prince concert goers and other
Prince Orgers. To speak in generalizations about
fams is similar to making blanket statements about
ethnic groups; as if all in a particular group have
the exact same mentality.
So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #36 posted 07/18/02 1:30pm

Supernova

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Buttercup said:

It has changed the way I look at prince FANS


Indeed.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #37 posted 07/18/02 1:43pm

Freespirit

Almost question wink ... but then I prevail.love
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Reply #38 posted 07/18/02 2:04pm

MusicAngel

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I don't hate him, but I don't love him like I used to.


That's pretty much the way I feel. I don't think there's much about him or his current music to love anymore.
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Reply #39 posted 07/18/02 2:09pm

GoldiesParade

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IceNine said:

I would like to point out the fact that there are millions of people who do not believe in the existence of a god, therefore giving a mythological figure the exclusive rights to anything is nonsensical.

Just an opinion...


AMEN 2 (i mean to) that.
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Reply #40 posted 07/18/02 2:10pm

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No. It has changed my opinion of people that come to Prince.org though.
"Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above!"
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Reply #41 posted 07/18/02 2:16pm

herbthe4

Buttercup said:

It has changed the way I look at prince FANS

Indeed short for FANATIC

I pounce myself silly (see my profile)


EXACTLY.

I love Led Zeppelin also, but I'm not going to sit here and defend a lot of the dumb shit they've done ("Hot Dog", anyone? Needles in the arm..?).

Guess i'm not a TRUE fan.

Thank God.

Which anyone who knows me will tell you is complete bullshit.

His fanbase is as diverse as his music, for better or for ill, although I'll stick with the former. The people I meet at the shows are generally much more courteous and polite than the some of the one's goes down around here. Like I've said, though, everyone gets REAL tough on keyboard. It's still a minority of fans though. I keep meeting people who read the site, but hardly ever post, and almost all of them are laid back and nice. Maybe the more laid back are just that, and this place tends to draw out the aggresive types.

My opinion of Prince and his music is unchanged. I find him fascinating, even the stuff he does that strikes me as odd or misguided.
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Reply #42 posted 07/18/02 2:20pm

herbthe4

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'I don't hate him, but I don't love him like I used to'
Sounds like that quote from 'The Everlasting Now'!

Anyway, Prince.org has shown me that Prince has quite possibly the most diverse, analytical and mostly level-headed fan base there currently is.
Visiting sites devoted to the likes of Michael Jackson and David Bowie are enough to induce vomit, so excessively high is the unalloyed worship and arse-kissing that is doing the rounds there.



Good point too. You have to view this stuff in context before it makes any sense at all. Let's face it, you have to be at least SOMEWHAT open minded to be real Prince fan.
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Reply #43 posted 07/18/02 2:22pm

herbthe4

SensualMelody said:

IceNine said:

wellbeyond said:

I hardly doubt I'll be better of if while eating my favorite meal at a restaurant, I'm constantly being told by others at my table how nasty tasting my food really is, and that I need to "wake up" and realize it..lol..
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SensualMelody said:

My sentiments, exactly! There are some who seem to be
determined to make sure others don't like Prince TOO
much (for their own good). If someone is satisfied
with something, let him be that way. It contributes
to his personal happiness. A baloon never stays inflated
forever. Don't spoil my joy by constantly reminding
me of this. Just let me play with it while I can.
***
---

ICENINE: Classic! :LOL: Yeah, I agree with that. I also mentioned that it is much more important to have opposing views on important things... When it comes to people's appreciation of music, everything is an opinion and nobody's opinion is better than anyone else's.
***


SensualMelody said: SO TRUE!


___

---ICENINE: You are damned right! There was a time in my life when I was extremely in to Prince... his newer music doesn't thrill me that much, but I still want to hear it all... even preaching and all that... I gotta hear it. I still think that he is one of the greatest live performers ever!

On your last point: I was just thinking about that exact same thing earlier and I wondered if the population of those who call themselves "fams" is comprised mainly of people who have not been into Prince for a LONG time and he is newer to them.



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SensualMelody said:

The only problem I have here is the use of the "fam" term.
I know we have beaten the topic to death...but I like
the term. To me, it does not make me feel familial
with Prince, but a kindred with others who like him.
I have no posters, no pictures, of Prince, but I have
pictures I took with other Prince concert goers and other
Prince Orgers. To speak in generalizations about
fams is similar to making blanket statements about
ethnic groups; as if all in a particular group have
the exact same mentality.


Is it me, or does SensualMelody almost always have something nice and well thought out to say?
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Reply #44 posted 07/18/02 2:25pm

RavedIn2

I think that alot of people went through the "Prince is awesome I love him" phase, but opinions change because of a lot of reasons. Not just because of things you read on prince.org.

You can spend a lot of money on Prince and shower him with love and admiration, but after a while you realize you're jumping through all kinds of hoops and spending all kinds of money and getting precious little in return.

You're not getting into the afterparties, you're not getting any aftershows. You can't get the music that's only available through download. You try to contact Paisley on legitimate business and are dismissed as nobody fam. Enough of that will turn anybody into a hater and naysayer.
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Reply #45 posted 07/18/02 2:50pm

rio

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herbthe4 said:

SensualMelody said:

IceNine said:

wellbeyond said:

I hardly doubt I'll be better of if while eating my favorite meal at a restaurant, I'm constantly being told by others at my table how nasty tasting my food really is, and that I need to "wake up" and realize it..lol..
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SensualMelody said:

My sentiments, exactly! There are some who seem to be
determined to make sure others don't like Prince TOO
much (for their own good). If someone is satisfied
with something, let him be that way. It contributes
to his personal happiness. A baloon never stays inflated
forever. Don't spoil my joy by constantly reminding
me of this. Just let me play with it while I can.
***
---

ICENINE: Classic! :LOL: Yeah, I agree with that. I also mentioned that it is much more important to have opposing views on important things... When it comes to people's appreciation of music, everything is an opinion and nobody's opinion is better than anyone else's.
***


SensualMelody said: SO TRUE!


___

---ICENINE: You are damned right! There was a time in my life when I was extremely in to Prince... his newer music doesn't thrill me that much, but I still want to hear it all... even preaching and all that... I gotta hear it. I still think that he is one of the greatest live performers ever!

On your last point: I was just thinking about that exact same thing earlier and I wondered if the population of those who call themselves "fams" is comprised mainly of people who have not been into Prince for a LONG time and he is newer to them.



***

SensualMelody said:

The only problem I have here is the use of the "fam" term.
I know we have beaten the topic to death...but I like
the term. To me, it does not make me feel familial
with Prince, but a kindred with others who like him.
I have no posters, no pictures, of Prince, but I have
pictures I took with other Prince concert goers and other
Prince Orgers. To speak in generalizations about
fams is similar to making blanket statements about
ethnic groups; as if all in a particular group have
the exact same mentality.


Is it me, or does SensualMelody almost always have something nice and well thought out to say?


it's not just you..she is an amazing human being...
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Reply #46 posted 07/18/02 3:02pm

nLA

I'm a pretty new fan, having discovered Prince thru my girlfriend a few years ago. But I gotta say, the ORG shows you the broad spectrum of insanity.

I've met Prince fans before and there were a few you could point a finger out and whisper behind their backs FANATICAL FREAK! But for the most part everyone is pretty cool and kick back at a show.

I think anonymity brings out the crazies and they post their utmost deepest desires about Prince, whether its music related or babby daddy related... it tends to be over the top.

Otherwise, most of ya'll are very very cool. cool
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Reply #47 posted 07/18/02 3:07pm

herbthe4

nLA said:


I think anonymity brings out the crazies


That's it!...^^^

And glad to know that new Prince fans are still being born. I hear a lot of talk about "alternative", anti-establishment, sell outs, cookie-cutter bands, etc. and how they ruin the music scence, but all of these critics have had an artist like this right under their noses for years and, too often, have chosen to dismiss him as "wierd".

Go figure.
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Reply #48 posted 07/18/02 3:17pm

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Other people's opinions don't phase me one way or the other. I think some people who visit the Org spend far too much time perusing it and take it way too seriously! I look at this venue for purposes of entertainment value only. I get a kick out of some of the things I read here and yeah, every now and then something stands out and makes me wanna add my two cents. But again, I look at all of it as being strictly for fun.

As far as how I feel about Prince... hey, I really dig the guy! Always have, always will. For 7 nights straight he played for us at the Celebration. Let us rome the grounds of his domain, Paisley Park. Took us to the show! Let us wear our jam-jams to The Park. Invited Sheila E and Tavis, Cornell & Londell, along with other cool people to play for us and talk with us each day. Took time out to let us speak our minds each afternoon through video and watched all of our footage personally. Even changed the price of water because my cousin aka "The Water Boy" told him to!

Prince.Org has not influenced my opinions one bit! I'm cool with being a Prince Fam. The brotha will always be a source of musical enjoyment and enlightenment for me!

cool
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Reply #49 posted 07/18/02 3:20pm

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The thread has served its purpose and bought out the fams from hiding. We can now exterminate them. Move the gound troops in, IceNine. You may fire when ready.
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Reply #50 posted 07/18/02 3:35pm

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It has not changed the way I think of Prince. What it has done is given me a clear picture of what other fans think and feel about him. Before I came here, I was in my own little world with my interest in Prince's music. Know I can share and read what everyone else thinks as well.
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Reply #51 posted 07/18/02 3:40pm

IceNine

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GoldiesParade said:

The thread has served its purpose and bought out the fams from hiding. We can now exterminate them. Move the gound troops in, IceNine. You may fire when ready.



The De-FAM-ation shall commence very soon...
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Reply #52 posted 07/18/02 3:41pm

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nope.
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Reply #53 posted 07/18/02 4:11pm

Therapy

Has coming to Prince.org changed my opinion of Prince?

Im still loving what he's doing. Im relieved to find other people more into him than me. I enjoy the passion here and feel challenged by the difference in opinions. I think perhaps my opinion has changed of him. I feel more grounded with my interest in him. I suppose Im not the first to fantasise about him in bizzare ways (meeting him, putting him on a pedestal). I think I've taken him off 'idol' status and I think he's now in 'human' status. I suppose I owe various people here a thankyou for that. A bit ironic I guess, that by watching other people either blowing up his ego constantly or trying to put a pin in him to deflate him, I've been able to recognise the former in myself. Im not saying that I have never viewed him as another fellow human being. Its just that the component of me that put him on a pedestal is virtually zero now. I see him as a man that makes music for a living. And that he expresses a part of where he's at in life, through this music.
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Reply #54 posted 07/18/02 4:15pm

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Therapy said:

Has coming to Prince.org changed my opinion of Prince?

Im still loving what he's doing. Im relieved to find other people more into him than me. I enjoy the passion here and feel challenged by the difference in opinions. I think perhaps my opinion has changed of him. I feel more grounded with my interest in him. I suppose Im not the first to fantasise about him in bizzare ways (meeting him, putting him on a pedestal). I think I've taken him off 'idol' status and I think he's now in 'human' status. I suppose I owe various people here a thankyou for that. A bit ironic I guess, that by watching other people either blowing up his ego constantly or trying to put a pin in him to deflate him, I've been able to recognise the former in myself. Im not saying that I have never viewed him as another fellow human being. Its just that the component of me that put him on a pedestal is virtually zero now. I see him as a man that makes music for a living. And that he expresses a part of where he's at in life, through this music.


The Therapy is back. Hello how the devil are you. Is it me or have you not been in town lately.
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Reply #55 posted 07/18/02 4:31pm

Therapy

GoldiesParade said:

Therapy said:

Has coming to Prince.org changed my opinion of Prince?

Im still loving what he's doing. Im relieved to find other people more into him than me. I enjoy the passion here and feel challenged by the difference in opinions. I think perhaps my opinion has changed of him. I feel more grounded with my interest in him. I suppose Im not the first to fantasise about him in bizzare ways (meeting him, putting him on a pedestal). I think I've taken him off 'idol' status and I think he's now in 'human' status. I suppose I owe various people here a thankyou for that. A bit ironic I guess, that by watching other people either blowing up his ego constantly or trying to put a pin in him to deflate him, I've been able to recognise the former in myself. Im not saying that I have never viewed him as another fellow human being. Its just that the component of me that put him on a pedestal is virtually zero now. I see him as a man that makes music for a living. And that he expresses a part of where he's at in life, through this music.


The Therapy is back. Hello how the devil are you. Is it me or have you not been in town lately.


Indeed, I have not had my nose in the groin of this delightful town as much as I have had in days gone past.
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Reply #56 posted 07/18/02 4:38pm

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Supernova said:

Buttercup said:

It has changed the way I look at prince FANS


Indeed.


I agree with that statement.
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Reply #57 posted 07/18/02 4:40pm

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no
Peace and Love!
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Reply #58 posted 07/18/02 4:41pm

wellbeyond

Therapy said:

Indeed, I have not had my nose in the groin of this delightful town as much as I have had in days gone past.

I nominate "nose in the groin of this delightful town" as one of THE P.org "quotes of the year"...
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Reply #59 posted 07/18/02 4:56pm

Therapy

wellbeyond said:

Therapy said:

Indeed, I have not had my nose in the groin of this delightful town as much as I have had in days gone past.

I nominate "nose in the groin of this delightful town" as one of THE P.org "quotes of the year"...


'One' of the??? What others are there??! Oh, oh, I know. Its my 'treasure trail' and 'chest wig' descriptions, eh? wink
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