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Printablethesexofit said: Please, "under the cherry moon" is an awful song. And "venus de milo" is pointless too. I dig instrumental music, but that song misses.
"i wonder u" sounds like a shitty demo. Alright... that's quite enough from you... jesus!  | |
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GangstaFam said: Anx said: Yes! Exactly! It's definitely like "Station To Station" that way where Bowie took all of his disparate influences and melded them into something all his own. i can see that...plus i think of 'parade' as a very european album, and i think of 'station to station' as a very european album as well. | |
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DiamondGirl said: OdysseyMiles said: There were also a lot of critics who dug Parade. It really does have a unified and cohesive sound. Very homogenic, if you ask me. I agree with Wendy Melvoin's obvservation of it. She stated that she felt it represented Prince as an artist the best because the music could not be easily categorized. Where other albums were a mix of this and that, Parade kinda blurred it all and you couldn't put your finger on what was pop or r&b or whatever. That floats my boat. I know a lot of critcs liked it. It was stated as a return to his DM sound. Not saying it was hated. I mean as a fan I wasn't feeling it too too much at the time. Only Kiss and Mountains and Anotherlover. I remeber scoffing at one reviwers claim that he had written his best ballad "Sometimes It Snows In April." I was "thats not a good slow jam" and whats this "Do U Lie" crap? LOL.I agree its unclassifiable, the music. Im talking about at that time though for fans. I was still waiting for him to return to 1999-like music I got it at the time for my birthday, and although I thought 'what the *** is this?' I loved it (that feeling is what I missed from every P album between 1989 and 2001). Prince's comments may just have been off the cuff (he has been known to talk rubbish), or a reaction to the fact that W&L were so involved (along with others) and he was about to go solo again and do SOTT. It's my personal favourite whatever P thinks anyway. Got great reviews over here in the UK too 'Serioulsy God-Like' is one phrase that I remember. | |
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DiamondGirl said: OdysseyMiles said: There were also a lot of critics who dug Parade. It really does have a unified and cohesive sound. Very homogenic, if you ask me. I agree with Wendy Melvoin's obvservation of it. She stated that she felt it represented Prince as an artist the best because the music could not be easily categorized. Where other albums were a mix of this and that, Parade kinda blurred it all and you couldn't put your finger on what was pop or r&b or whatever. That floats my boat. I know a lot of critcs liked it. It was stated as a return to his DM sound. Not saying it was hated. I mean as a fan I wasn't feeling it too too much at the time. Only Kiss and Mountains and Anotherlover. I remeber scoffing at one reviwers claim that he had written his best ballad "Sometimes It Snows In April." I was "thats not a good slow jam" and whats this "Do U Lie" crap? LOL.I agree its unclassifiable, the music. Im talking about at that time though for fans. I was still waiting for him to return to 1999-like music | |
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Illustrator said: jtfolden said: The only people that can really call it a disappointing seller are those that expected, unrealistic PR-like numbers (like Prince himself, probably. lol). Yep.
This is why I hate people. Always trying ta purple rain on my Parade. I love that! | |
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tiger2 said: diamondgirl, i know for a FACT that everyone (with the exception of a tiny number of outliers - about 3%) who bought that album at the time, loved it to DEATH. it is just insane of you to claim that they didn't when i know for a fact that they did.
Bought it day it came out and thought it was so different I loved it. Those were the days when every album sounded so different than the previous. | |
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vainandy said: DiamondGirl said:
I know a lot of critcs liked it. It was stated as a return to his DM sound. It's far from "Dirty Mind". Exactly. I'm cool with funk or rock but when you start getting into classical and folk....hell to the naw! Im talking about at that time though for fans. I was still waiting for him to return to 1999-like music.
Most people were and "Parade" got rid of a lot of fans for good. . . [Edited 4/7/06 15:35pm] With fans like you who needs enemies ?? "Sometimes It Snows In April" is SUPPOSED to make you think and in your words is "depressing". Parade has a classical feel about it. So what? Are you a music fascist ? Shut up already, damn. | |
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thesexofit said: vainandy said: Most people were and "Parade" got rid of a lot of fans for good. . . [Edited 4/7/06 15:35pm] I hear ya. Artistically its pretty awesome, but its very hit and miss. Please, "under the cherry moon" is an awful song. And "venus de milo" is pointless too. I dig instrumental music, but that song misses. "i wonder u" sounds like a shitty demo. But hey, thats prince for ya, soemtimes he wants to be taken seriously as a musician, then sometimes he actually wants a hit and yet still be taken seriously as a musician. Dont work both ways mr nelson. [Edited 4/7/06 16:38pm] Whoooaaaah there. I'm sorry but I have to say "Under The Cherry Moon" is NOT an awful song. It's romantic and childlike but "awful" it isn't. It's pure Prince magic! The imagary of the moon evokes loneliness and believing in the stars and the universe. It has a childlike awe about it. The moon is "cherry". The song transforms you to another time like so many of Prince's songs. You feel like you are being whisked away to a fairy tale universe where people simply waste away if they don't find love. It's a heartfelt song. It's a questioning song. Prince is saying what do I do if I don't find love. His answer is that He'll die, but he finds this romantic too. "Maybe I'll die young like heroes die" Yes Prince is living in a make believe world, but what is SO real about falling in love. It is a mysterious thing. And it's so strong and powerful that you want to die if you can't have it. And don't forget he does probably see himself as Prince Charming ! Under The Cherry Moon by Prince. How can I stand 2 stay where I am? Poor butterfly who don't understand Why can't I fly away in a special sky? If I don't find my destiny soon, I'll die in your arms under the cherry moon I want to live life to the ultimate high Maybe I'll die young like heroes die Maybe I'll kiss u some wild special way If nobody kills me or thrills me soon, I'll die in your arms under the cherry moon If that's alright Lovers like us dear are born 2 die If they don't find us what will we do? I guess we'll make love under the cherry moon I'll die in your arms under the cherry moon [Edited 4/10/06 13:59pm] Shut up already, damn. | |
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DiamondGirl said: I said it was not on par with some of his more powerful material. Regardless of worldwide sales or how folks have an affectation for it. Not too many people were feeling it
I think the bottom line is you simply have preconceived OPINIONS about Parade based on your own feelings of that time period, music, and events. Fine, those are your opinions BUT it's quite obvious they aren't shared by every one of people in this thread. They aren't my opinions and they aren't fact. YOU think it was not on par with his more powerful material because of your own musical tastes and opinions. I think it was BY FAR the most outstanding and mature album he had ever done up to that point. Parade earned it's sales just like every other album and worldwide sales make it one of his best sellers, probably in the top 1/4 or 1/3 of all his releases. It wasn't a blockbuster but most great albums never are... It's pretty amazing how well received it was given the experimental nature of the contents. It was a great time for fans, period, given the wonderful out-takes and b-sides, and arguably the best maxi-singles ever. Dirty Miond is in a different ocntext then coming up with Parade or DM material after the progession of Controversy, 1999, and Rain. Period.
No, it really isn't.... In fact, that whole time period plays out like the later PR to Parade time period in microcosm. "Prince" was released and became a commercial hit on both main US charts. He attracts attention from both R&B and Pop audiences but instead of following the predictable formula he quickly turns around and tosses out the experimental, anything but mainstream, "Dirty Mind". By your logic, "no one was feeling" Dirty Mind. The opposite is probably more true in reality. Prince would have his "big" albums like Prince, PR, D&P along the way to put him in the public eye but one can see that those commercial performances were temporary spikes as most buyers left as quickly as they came. It was the more sublime outings like Dirty Mind and Parade that cemented a core following, as evidenced by the reactions in this thread. I'd, also, have to question what sort of a progression you see from Controversy to 1999 to PR. Artistically and style-wise, PR is a departure from what came before, almost as much as ATWIAD is to PR. Where commercial matters are concerned... Originally in the US, 1999 sold in the same ballpark as Parade and SOTT. It wasn't until after the release of Purple Rain that 1999 was even certified as double platinum. | |
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pepper7 said: vainandy said: Most people were and "Parade" got rid of a lot of fans for good. With fans like you who needs enemies ?? Parade has a classical feel about it. So what? Are you a music fascist ? A select few people seem to really like to dump on Parade with unfounded reasoning. For one, I'd love to know what fans Parade actually 'got rid of'. What magical number of fans were supposed to stick around after the shock and awe of a purposefully difficult work like ATWIAD? Sure, some casual fans didn't like Prince's experimental albums, but I'd argue that for every normal fan that left, he gained another one. If you look past the hype, Prince's core following seems to be right around 1 million fans in the US between 1982 and 1987. 1999 parade and SOTT all sold similar numbers once you remove the PR hype from the mix. It took LoveSexy to really shake the fruits off the tree, with a struggle just to go Gold. | |
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jtfolden said: DiamondGirl said: I said it was not on par with some of his more powerful material. Regardless of worldwide sales or how folks have an affectation for it. Not too many people were feeling it
I think the bottom line is you simply have preconceived OPINIONS about Parade based on your own feelings of that time period, music, and events. Fine, those are your opinions BUT it's quite obvious they aren't shared by every one of people in this thread. They aren't my opinions and they aren't fact. YOU think it was not on par with his more powerful material because of your own musical tastes and opinions. I think it was BY FAR the most outstanding and mature album he had ever done up to that point. Parade earned it's sales just like every other album and worldwide sales make it one of his best sellers, probably in the top 1/4 or 1/3 of all his releases. It wasn't a blockbuster but most great albums never are... It's pretty amazing how well received it was given the experimental nature of the contents. It was a great time for fans, period, given the wonderful out-takes and b-sides, and arguably the best maxi-singles ever. Dirty Miond is in a different ocntext then coming up with Parade or DM material after the progession of Controversy, 1999, and Rain. Period.
No, it really isn't.... In fact, that whole time period plays out like the later PR to Parade time period in microcosm. "Prince" was released and became a commercial hit on both main US charts. He attracts attention from both R&B and Pop audiences but instead of following the predictable formula he quickly turns around and tosses out the experimental, anything but mainstream, "Dirty Mind". By your logic, "no one was feeling" Dirty Mind. The opposite is probably more true in reality. Prince would have his "big" albums like Prince, PR, D&P along the way to put him in the public eye but one can see that those commercial performances were temporary spikes as most buyers left as quickly as they came. It was the more sublime outings like Dirty Mind and Parade that cemented a core following, as evidenced by the reactions in this thread. I'd, also, have to question what sort of a progression you see from Controversy to 1999 to PR. Artistically and style-wise, PR is a departure from what came before, almost as much as ATWIAD is to PR. Where commercial matters are concerned... Originally in the US, 1999 sold in the same ballpark as Parade and SOTT. It wasn't until after the release of Purple Rain that 1999 was even certified as double platinum. Please switch to decaffinated. | |
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DiamondGirl said: Please switch to decaffinated. Please refrain from comments of a personal nature when you can't keep up with a discussion among strangers. | |
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I think Parade is an album which gets better the more you listen to it. I remember driving to a concert with a friend and listening to it 2 or 3 times in a row.
Purple Rain is one of my favorites, but if you look at most popular artists, they only have one giant album in their career. Like with Michael Jackson, it was Thriller. Or with Springsteen, it was Born in the USA. It's pointless to try to compares sales to that one blip. Even though I don't like Around the World in a Day at all and gave it away recently, Prince was probably smart to distance himself from PR. Parade works for me as an album. It might not match up song-by-song vs. SOTT or Purple Rain, but it's cohesive and has it's own identity.  | |
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jtfolden said: DiamondGirl said: Please switch to decaffinated. Please refrain from comments of a personal nature when you can't keep up with a discussion among strangers. Please refrain from personalizing things said by a stranger. It shows. Like a narccissitic injury. Especially when someone does keep up and has said her stance. Sews you a Parade blanket  | |
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vainandy said: DiamondGirl said:
I know a lot of critcs liked it. It was stated as a return to his DM sound. It's far from "Dirty Mind". Exactly. I'm cool with funk or rock but when you start getting into classical and folk....hell to the naw! Im talking about at that time though for fans. I was still waiting for him to return to 1999-like music.
Most people were and "Parade" got rid of a lot of fans for good. . . [Edited 4/7/06 15:35pm] Exactlyyyyy 
But supposedly somewhere in Ohio, an rnb dj was playing Christopher Tracys Parade and it was supposed to be the jam  | |
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Prince said he didnt have enough good material when he made PARADE
He was right!  | |
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The album is okay, but not my favs. It is better than the albums that Prince made from 1997-2004. I don't listen to the album a lot like I do when listening to the albums he made like Dirty Mind and Controversy. | |
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The first time I listened to Parade, I really had no expectations - my brother lent me the tape to listen to on a walkman on a weekend car journey to London and back. I loved it straight off. I knew who Prince was and liked his music, but wasn't particularly a massive fan at the time.
The album, like so many of Prince's, is such a journey though musical styles and tempo's, even though the overall sound is one of his most consistent in a single album. It sounded so fresh and vital to me back then, and it still does today when I often listen to it. Particularly I love the drum sounds on this - the first 3 tracks are just mighty, as is, of course, Mountains. I think Girls & Boys, which was a single in the UK, is such an under-rated, awesomely funky track. Even tracks like Do U Lie? which shouldn't work, just do, for me at least. It's far more different to Purple Rain than ATWIAD is, no wonder it lost a lot of the fans of PR at the time. Some critics call it unrefined and demo-like, but that's exactly what I like about this album, the feeling that Prince didn't mess with it too much, it captures the rawness of the performances, such as the fingers moving up and down the frets on 'Sometimes It Snows...' I think it's a cool, underrated album, now and then, and what Prince thought about this album back then is certainly not what I have ever thought about the album - for me it is a far more timeless album than many of Prince's efforts. | |
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DiamondGirl said: Please refrain from personalizing things said by a stranger. It shows. Like a narccissitic injury.
Try that again when you aren't directing inappropriate non-sequiturs directly at someone in a discussion to begin with... Especially when someone does keep up and has said her stance.
If you'd been keeping up you might have actually had some data to back up your 'stance' instead of just trying to push your opinion as fact as you have from the first post (along with trying to discount everyone who doesn't agree with you along the way). Anytime someone questions your claims the only answer you have is for them to "calm down", "don't be upset" or "switch to decaffeinated".
Let's just establish that fact that YOU weren't really feeling Parade at the time and everyone else can speak for themselves. Sews you a Parade blanket
No thanks, I have real problems with the idea of Prince laying all over me in bed. | |
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Where did he make this statement? Parade is brilliant as is. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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DiamondGirl said: OdysseyMiles said: I look at it as just one of those things I disagree with him on. He can look back and say "it could have been better". I can look at it and say "it's one of my faves man, thanks for making it."
 I/We think that now. But then I was like "eh..this is it? lawd where isn the promise of 1999 and Purple Rain at?" Only through time has it grown in affection. Because at that time it wasn't all that. There's a reason Prince was crying on the couch (DMSR The First Decade). There's a reason a review blurb said "Prince returns to his senses" regarding SOTT At the time it was all that. Some fans simply didn't have expectations and just accepted whatever ride Prince took us on. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: At the time it was all that. Some fans simply didn't have expectations and just accepted whatever ride Prince took us on. KABOOM! | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: At the time it was all that. Some fans simply didn't have expectations and just accepted whatever ride Prince took us on.
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jtfolden said: DiamondGirl said: Please refrain from personalizing things said by a stranger. It shows. Like a narccissitic injury.
Try that again when you aren't directing inappropriate non-sequiturs directly at someone in a discussion to begin with... If you'd been keeping up you might have actually had some data to back up your 'stance' instead of just trying to push your opinion as fact as you have from the first post (along with trying to discount everyone who doesn't agree with you along the way). Anytime someone questions your claims the only answer you have is for them to "calm down", "don't be upset" or "switch to decaffeinated".
Let's just establish that fact that YOU weren't really feeling Parade at the time and everyone else can speak for themselves. Sews you a Parade blanket
No thanks, I have real problems with the idea of Prince laying all over me in bed. My opinoion is fact. Not everyone loved Parade. To state otherwise is crazyyyyy. I also doubt about a rnb dj also playing the heck oout of CT's Parade 
And I already stated facts about those in are clowning it and not feeling it, vainandy spoke on it..yet you came back with a rnb dj who was proppin CT's Parade. Okayyyy
Calm down, buy sanka, don't get heated. Its okay to love Parade back then and in retrospect if you didnt then | |
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jtfolden said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: At the time it was all that. Some fans simply didn't have expectations and just accepted whatever ride Prince took us on.
Yeah. And Lovesexy saved some peoples lives as well | |
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pepper7 said:
"Sometimes It Snows In April" is SUPPOSED to make you think and in your words is "depressing". Well, I don't listen to music to think. I listen to music with my ass and my ass doesn't have a mind. If a fast jam is good, my ass will move all on it's own. As for slow jams, I listen to them with something else and if the slow jam ain't for the bedroom, I ain't got time for it. As far as songs that make you think or songs that are considered art....if I want to think, I'll watch a movie or read. If I want art, I'll buy something to hang on the wall. When it comes to music, I like it for the dancefloor or bedroom and ain't got time for nothing else. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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jtfolden said:
For one, I'd love to know what fans Parade actually 'got rid of'. I know countless R&B fans that were with him years before he had pop success and they dropped him like a hotcake after "Parade". It was R&B stations in my area laughing and making fun of songs like "Venus De Milo" and "Do U Lie". The pop stations in my area just played the 45 of "Kiss" and dropped him after that until "Batdance" came out. The R&B stations played a few cuts off the album in regular rotation such as "Kiss", "Anotherloverholenyohead", "Girls And Boys", "Mountains", (especially the 12 Inch versions) etc. Prince still got pretty regular airplay and a lot of the songs were simply "liked" by many but the great love for Prince that had been there for years was gone. I remember when "Sign O The Times" came out, hardly anyone was exited about it and many didn't even bother to buy it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: jtfolden said:
For one, I'd love to know what fans Parade actually 'got rid of'. I know countless R&B fans that were with him years before he had pop success and they dropped him like a hotcake after "Parade". It was R&B stations in my area laughing and making fun of songs like "Venus De Milo" and "Do U Lie". The pop stations in my area just played the 45 of "Kiss" and dropped him after that until "Batdance" came out. The R&B stations played a few cuts off the album in regular rotation such as "Kiss", "Anotherloverholenyohead", "Girls And Boys", "Mountains", (especially the 12 Inch versions) etc. Prince still got pretty regular airplay and a lot of the songs were simply "liked" by many but the great love for Prince that had been there for years was gone. I remember when "Sign O The Times" came out, hardly anyone was exited about it and many didn't even bother to buy it. Kapoow | |
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DiamondGirl said:
And I already stated facts about those in are clowning it and not feeling it, vainandy spoke on it..yet you came back with a rnb dj who was proppin CT's Parade. Okayyyy If a particular R&B DJ was feeling it, that was probably his personal like for it. I heard R&B DJs playing particular tracks and countless callers were calling in laughing.....it wasn't just one or two people. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: pepper7 said:
"Sometimes It Snows In April" is SUPPOSED to make you think and in your words is "depressing". Well, I don't listen to music to think. I listen to music with my ass and my ass doesn't have a mind. If a fast jam is good, my ass will move all on it's own. As for slow jams, I listen to them with something else and if the slow jam ain't for the bedroom, I ain't got time for it. As far as songs that make you think or songs that are considered art....if I want to think, I'll watch a movie or read. If I want art, I'll buy something to hang on the wall. When it comes to music, I like it for the dancefloor or bedroom and ain't got time for nothing else. Where do you think music comes from then? Why DO you think it affects people so deeply and stirs up such a raging debate? If music DIDN'T make you think then NONE of us would be here having an online discussion about it. Music IS communication. It talks to us. We don't even know where music started. We DON'T know when it dates back too. Maybe someone bashed to sticks together and a beat was created. Maybe someone realised that if they used their voice in a particular way it sounded melodic. Who knows ?? Music IS art. It's all a means of expression and voicing our opinion. Where do you think songs like "Amazing Grace" come from? Poetry, music, art, literature. There all branches from the same tree. Where do you think Prince was inspired to write a song like "The Cross" or "If I Was Your Girlfriend" ? Do you not think they come from him in some way. You can only write about something you know about. [Edited 4/11/06 14:22pm] Shut up already, damn. | |
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