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Printablejtfolden said: DiamondGirl said: The sales comment meant thast not many peopel were feeling it. The outliers comment meant that of course there were some reveling in it.
...but the comment is really fairly baseless. "Not many people were feeling it" as opposed to what? It only sold 1+ million in the US but over 4.3 million copies world-wide... that's more than any album from For You through Controversy, comparable to SOTT, more than LoveSexy, more than any 90s album outside of D&P. I'm sure Prince hoped for some mainstream success with the movie tie-in but, comparatively, it did rather well considering it was anything but a mainstream album. You really can't use sales as a slight when looking back with hindsight. But Im here to tell ya that not many at that time were reveling in it just because YOU and a few others were. Parade has grown with affection during the past 20 years more then it garnered at time of release. Dont be upset.
There's nothing to be upset about... The fact that Parade has continued to enjoy growing affection over 20 years shows the high quality of this collection. Even Prince himself still mines this album for concert material today when he neglects much of his other works. [Edited 4/8/06 21:08pm] We both love Parade!  | |
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I didn't really like "Christopher Tracy's Parade" it reminded me of "Around the World Pt 2" for sure, and "Life can Be So Nice" was utter noise.
The rest of it I liked alot. ______________________________________________
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DMSR said: I didn't really like "Christopher Tracy's Parade" it reminded me of "Around the World Pt 2" for sure, and "Life can Be So Nice" was utter noise.
The rest of it I liked alot. It's quite odd that out of all the tracks on Parade, the local R&B station used to play "Christopher Tracy's Parade" to death. Someone at the station must have really loved that track as I heard it at least once a day for weeks after the album was released. | |
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jtfolden said: warning2all said: j PARADE was Prince's most collabroative effort; this is just his ego talking because he's being dismissive of the contributions of Wendy & Lisa et all. That quote came around the time he was also making fun/putting down W&L on his love4oneanother website.
I agree about the ego part but the quote originally surfaced back in the '80s, not long after the Revolution had been disbanded. That's true. The quote appeared pre-SOTT, I think, or within the two years after Parade dropped. I also agree that Prince was just being a bit of a dick in that interview, and with whoever said that Parade wiped the floor with ATWIAD in terms of songs. Kiss, Girls & Boys, Anotherloverholenyohead, Mountains, New Position... and those killer b-sides. Far funkier, at least, than the year before, by a mile. A lot of people let the slower album tracks and quirky production (not to mention Clare Fischer's omnipresence) distract from the insane, ambitious genius of this album. ...: s l o w l y c a n d l e b u r n s :... | |
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vainandy: As far as "Do U Lie", DJs had a field day with that one and "Venus De Milo". They played snips of older songs like "Controversy", "1999", "When Doves Cry", etc. and then played snips of "Do U Lie" and "Venus De Milo". They would say...."what the hell happened...the man went from this...to THIS". People would call in to the stations and fall out laughing on the air. The trend carried over to the clubs also.
Seems rather ignorant to me. Prince was often more willing to change and take chances than his listeners. | |
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jtfolden said: DMSR said: I didn't really like "Christopher Tracy's Parade" it reminded me of "Around the World Pt 2" for sure, and "Life can Be So Nice" was utter noise.
The rest of it I liked alot. It's quite odd that out of all the tracks on Parade, the local R&B station used to play "Christopher Tracy's Parade" to death. . What city was this??! | |
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Anx said: prince can just go on hating parade, cuz i love it.
This is why I sometimes state that Prince does not realise HOW good he is. For the people who love Parade we think "Prince, it's one of your greatest albums and the fact that you can't see that worries me" Shut up already, damn. | |
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DiamondGirl said: jtfolden said: It's quite odd that out of all the tracks on Parade, the local R&B station used to play "Christopher Tracy's Parade" to death. . What city was this??! It was one of the stations out of the Columbus, Ohio area... | |
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jtfolden said: DiamondGirl said: What city was this??! It was one of the stations out of the Columbus, Ohio area... wow..simply wow lol | |
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pepper7 said: Anx said: prince can just go on hating parade, cuz i love it.
This is why I sometimes state that Prince does not realise HOW good he is. For the people who love Parade we think "Prince, it's one of your greatest albums and the fact that you can't see that worries me" that Prince is such a hater isnt he , if he was registered on this website we'd probably be calling him a troll ,all the times he puts his music down  Check out Chocadelica , updated with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound album lyrics April 2nd 2009 :
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Yes, its good, but it could have been better - imagine if it had Wonderful Ass and Inalargeroomwithnolight on it. Not to mention Roadhouse Garden/Our Destiny. | |
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TheFreakerFantastic said: Yes, its good, but it could have been better - imagine if it had Wonderful Ass and Inalargeroomwithnolight on it. Not to mention Roadhouse Garden/Our Destiny.
Yes EVERYTHING could ALWAYS be better!!!!! What is your point ????? What's the point in something being perfect ? It wouldn't really reflect real life then . For me Parade is ABOUT imperfections. There was a great thread recently about Life Can Be So Nice and it's abrupt ending. It seemed that most people on the thread agreed that this is what made the song SO great. It suggested life ending abruptly. And then you think of the line "Those kinda cars don't pass you everyday" from Sometimes It Snows In April. It's the most beautiful line evoking how we all just pass each other on the great road of life. We're all cars really ! Shut up already, damn. | |
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pepper7 said: For me Parade is ABOUT imperfections.
Right.Becuase CT's Parade sucks. It would be a perfect album if not for that nonsense imho. | |
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Keep in mind, when he says "Good material", he may have just meant songs that fit in properly with the album's theme. It has a definite style that may not lend itself 2 many songs that were brilliant but not appropriate 2 the story he wished 2 tell. I never thought "Kiss" sounded right on it, much as I love that song. It didn't surprise me at all years later when I read that he included it only as an after thought. Listen to me on The House of Pop Culture podcast on itunes http://itunes.apple.com/u...d438631917 | |
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DiamondGirl said: The sales comment meant thast not many peopel were feeling it. The outliers comment meant that of course there were some reveling in it. But Im here to tell ya that not many at that time were reveling in it just because YOU and a few others were. Parade has grown with affection during the past 20 years more then it garnered at time of release. Dont be upset. Your logic is a bit flawed here. You can't use album sales to represent how the people who bought the record felt about it. Even if an album sold one copy that one person could really dig that record. So, if you want to cite poor sales for Parade to indicate how people felt about it that's not going to work. Someone who hasn't heard or bought an album can't really criticize it, can they? So, you can be in disbelief that people really liked the record when it came out, but citing sales numbers doesn't really beef up your case. If 3121 sells a million copies does that mean I like the record? No matter how much that one sells, my opinion won't be affected by it and isn't affected by it now. Regardless of how Parade sold, or was selling at the time (I didn't pay much attention to that sort of thing) the truth is I had that record the day it was out and loved it immediately. Still do today. Sorry it's not your bag...  No Sonny T?
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thebige said: DiamondGirl said: The sales comment meant thast not many peopel were feeling it. The outliers comment meant that of course there were some reveling in it. But Im here to tell ya that not many at that time were reveling in it just because YOU and a few others were. Parade has grown with affection during the past 20 years more then it garnered at time of release. Dont be upset. Your logic is a bit flawed here. You can't use album sales to represent how the people who bought the record felt about it. Even if an album sold one copy that one person could really dig that record. So, if you want to cite poor sales for Parade to indicate how people felt about it that's not going to work. Someone who hasn't heard or bought an album can't really criticize it, can they? So, you can be in disbelief that people really liked the record when it came out, but citing sales numbers doesn't really beef up your case. If 3121 sells a million copies does that mean I like the record? No matter how much that one sells, my opinion won't be affected by it and isn't affected by it now. Regardless of how Parade sold, or was selling at the time (I didn't pay much attention to that sort of thing) the truth is I had that record the day it was out and loved it immediately. Still do today. Sorry it's not your bag... Well said. That's how I feel too. Who can define if something is good or bad? It's really only opinion. Music is so difficult to define. Shut up already, damn. | |
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thebige said: DiamondGirl said: The sales comment meant thast not many peopel were feeling it. The outliers comment meant that of course there were some reveling in it. But Im here to tell ya that not many at that time were reveling in it just because YOU and a few others were. Parade has grown with affection during the past 20 years more then it garnered at time of release. Dont be upset. Your logic is a bit flawed here. You can't use album sales to represent how the people who bought the record felt about it. Even if an album sold one copy that one person could really dig that record. So, if you want to cite poor sales for Parade to indicate how people felt about it that's not going to work. Someone who hasn't heard or bought an album can't really criticize it, can they? So, you can be in disbelief that people really liked the record when it came out, but citing sales numbers doesn't really beef up your case. If 3121 sells a million copies does that mean I like the record? No matter how much that one sells, my opinion won't be affected by it and isn't affected by it now. Regardless of how Parade sold, or was selling at the time (I didn't pay much attention to that sort of thing) the truth is I had that record the day it was out and loved it immediately. Still do today. Sorry it's not your bag... Sales were brought up to denote the fact that not everyone was feelin it at the time. At least not as fanatical as those in this thread were. Calm down yall. | |
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diamondgirl, i know for a FACT that everyone (with the exception of a tiny number of outliers - about 3%) who bought that album at the time, loved it to DEATH. it is just insane of you to claim that they didn't when i know for a fact that they did. | |
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He rarely released really personal lyrics, and he likes the music to mesh with some theme. He is obsessive about that shit. And, frankly, I don't think he is a very good judge at what is good and bad in his music vault. He seems to think everything he puts out is a masterpiece. His ego plays too much into this. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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DiamondGirl said: Sales were brought up to denote the fact that not everyone was feelin it at the time. At least not as fanatical as those in this thread were.
Yes, but you failed to explain how you connect sales to people's satisfaction with the album. You have nothing to back it up. | |
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jtfolden said: DiamondGirl said: Sales were brought up to denote the fact that not everyone was feelin it at the time. At least not as fanatical as those in this thread were.
Yes, but you failed to explain how you connect sales to people's satisfaction with the album. You have nothing to back it up. You're right. I dont. Except my own personal tales of friends and their reactions. And the fact that not too man people bought it. Sure many who did loved it but some decline in sales also tells another obvuious story of that time. | |
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DiamondGirl said: You're right. I dont. Except my own personal tales of friends and their reactions. And the fact that not too man people bought it. Sure many who did loved it but some decline in sales also tells another obvuious story of that time.
4.3+ million word-wide is not too many people? It's pretty darn good for a Prince release, in hindsight. It's more than any album from For You through Controversy, comparable to SOTT, and more than any album since, except for Batman and D&P, IIRC. It basically sold what 1999 did prior to PR's release. The only people that can really call it a disappointing seller are those that expected, unrealistic PR-like numbers (like Prince himself, probably. lol). Going by your logic then Dirty Mind is a complete failure and no one was really feeling it, judging by the fact that not too many people bought it and it had vastly declining sales compared to the albums before and after it. | |
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jtfolden said: Going by your logic then Dirty Mind is a complete failure and no one was really feeling it, judging by the fact that not too many people bought it and it had vastly declining sales compared to the albums before and after it. Excellent point. ...: s l o w l y c a n d l e b u r n s :... | |
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jtfolden said: DiamondGirl said: You're right. I dont. Except my own personal tales of friends and their reactions. And the fact that not too man people bought it. Sure many who did loved it but some decline in sales also tells another obvuious story of that time.
4.3+ million word-wide is not too many people? It's pretty darn good for a Prince release, in hindsight. It's more than any album from For You through Controversy, comparable to SOTT, and more than any album since, except for Batman and D&P, IIRC. It basically sold what 1999 did prior to PR's release. The only people that can really call it a disappointing seller are those that expected, unrealistic PR-like numbers (like Prince himself, probably. lol). Going by your logic then Dirty Mind is a complete failure and no one was really feeling it, judging by the fact that not too many people bought it and it had vastly declining sales compared to the albums before and after it. Who said it was a failure? I said it wasnt felt big time at the current time of release. 4.5 million worldwide not immediately. And no sales doesnt equate quality. Did I say it isnt quality work? I said it was not on par with some of his more powerful material. Regardless of worldwide sales or how folks have an affectation for it. In retrospect and thorugh time we have grown to love it more. Yeah theres some who fell over it lie you did, but then again you said PR wasnt all that to you either so this is kind of dicey. Not too many people were feeling it in my area and it didnt stay at the top of the charts for too long either. Dirty Miond is in a different ocntext then coming up with Parade or DM material after the progession of Controversy, 1999, and Rain. Period. | |
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DiamondGirl said:[quote] thebige said: Sales were brought up to denote the fact that not everyone was feelin it at the time. At least not as fanatical as those in this thread were. Calm down yall. But does a good sale mean a good album ? D&P or Batman were a better album? I think not. My impression is an album which doesn't sell too much is far better (very often), the other is mainstram. And I don't like mainstream. The most of my records are financial losers , but I like 'em.[Edited 4/10/06 0:48am] |
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Anx said: OdysseyMiles said: There were also a lot of critics who dug Parade. It really does have a unified and cohesive sound. Very homogenic, if you ask me. I agree with Wendy Melvoin's obvservation of it. She stated that she felt it represented Prince as an artist the best because the music could not be easily categorized. Where other albums were a mix of this and that, Parade kinda blurred it all and you couldn't put your finger on what was pop or r&b or whatever. That floats my boat. Yes! Exactly! It's definitely like "Station To Station" that way where Bowie took all of his disparate influences and melded them into something all his own. | |
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ThreadBare said: I always have loved Parade and Parade-era B-sides.
To me, Prince demonstrated the sort of mature music he and his band could make. I see real growth into a pop star with Parade. Yes, Wendy & Lisa are to be credited for a lot of the great moments on that record, but it still bore Prince's stamp. A great album that complemented the movie really well. On its own, very cool. Just needs a rock guitar solo. That's what "Alexa De Paris" is for.  | |
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Prince is dead wrong about this. In fact, "Parade" and the unreleased material surrounding it are so strong that a double album would've been easily justifiable. Imagine the b-sides "Alexa De Paris" and "Love Or Money" along with outtakes like "All My Dreams", "Old Friends 4 Sale", "Splash", "Neon Telephone", "Others Here With Us", "Heaven" and "Sexual Suicide" cozying up next to those familiar album tracks. Not enough strong material my ass! | |
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PurpleRein said: origmnd said: Now Im sure we all love PARADE.
But if he didnt like those tracks, why didnt he use his countless vault tracks? We know how many GREAT unreleased tracks there were at that period. WHY wouldnt/didnt he use them? Reminds me of the current situation with 3121. Just where did Prince say that he didnt have good material?...gotta source it baby This quote was mentioned in the 1988 Musician cover story on Prince,and it has been re-printed elsewhere.He said.... "Parade was a disaster.Besides "Kiss",there's nothing on there that I'm particularly proud of.I made this album too soon after 'Around The World In A Day' and I just didn't have enough good material ready.I'm not gonna make that mistake again".  | |
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jtfolden said: The only people that can really call it a disappointing seller are those that expected, unrealistic PR-like numbers (like Prince himself, probably. lol). Yep.
This is why I hate people. Always trying ta purple rain on my Parade. | |
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