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Reply #30 posted 04/09/06 5:24pm

alwayslate

GoZero said:

...juvenile ...

Find the lyric where Prince endorses physical violence, w/o using figurative language! Bet you can't.

"I'm on the verge of rape
I don't think U heard me (Ooh ooh!)
I'm on the verge of rape
I'm on the..

I'm sorry, but I'm just gonna have 2 rape U
Now are U going 2 get into the tub or do I have 2 drag U?
Don't make me drag U
I can be very cruel
Yeah! "

from dtt-lyrics.com
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Reply #31 posted 04/09/06 5:40pm

GoZero

What song and on what album is that?!?
[Edited 4/9/06 17:41pm]
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Reply #32 posted 04/09/06 5:47pm

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GoZero said:

What song and on what album is that?!?
[Edited 4/9/06 17:41pm]


its from the unreleased "Extralovable"
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Reply #33 posted 04/09/06 6:21pm

padawan

GoZero said:

P has always put his musical themes in a pretty virtuous context. Just because he's created songs like Head, Sister, Lady Cab Driver, Zanallee, Billy Jack Bitch etc. doesn't mean that he is necessarily wholeheartedly, the activity depicted in those songs; he's just objectifying it. The albums, if not the songs themselves, put everything in context; love, God, and treating people right, the divine inherent in all women always rules out over prurient rants. This is reinforced by the fact that the sex stuff has almost always been entertainingly campy.

At the end of P Control, the bad boy's last effort to use every bad word in the book (before he got "LarryGrahamed"), ironically to promote virtuosity, he puts all the gutter talk in context again when he reprimands "juvenile" thoughts.

Yeah, he hits on sex a lot, as an aesthetic, but even the new Pope's recent encyclical letter hit on sex quite a bit -- context is key.
[Edited 4/9/06 16:10pm]


You're reaching.

Prince has made some seriously amoral music. EVIL by social standards.

He made Tipper Gore mad as a wet hen. She formed a committe to print warning labels on EVIL RECORDS, she was so mad.

But you know what? That's sort of the point of being an artist. Being unique and original by definition means you're breaking with the norm. And that upsets a lot of people.

Here's what's funny to me. People get bent out of shape over "Sister" and "Lady Cab Driver," but what I find disturbing are soft rock love songs.

Turn the dial to your adult contemporary radio station and you hear some of the most anguished, bitter, desperate shrieks and howls of pain. But you don't think twice cuz it's Phil Collins singing. It's music for seriously lovesick people, and it's some dark, dark shit.

All things being equal, I'd say Peter Cetera and Mariah Carey are every bit as dangerous as Prince.
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Reply #34 posted 04/09/06 6:27pm

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padawan said:

GoZero said:

P has always put his musical themes in a pretty virtuous context. Just because he's created songs like Head, Sister, Lady Cab Driver, Zanallee, Billy Jack Bitch etc. doesn't mean that he is necessarily wholeheartedly, the activity depicted in those songs; he's just objectifying it. The albums, if not the songs themselves, put everything in context; love, God, and treating people right, the divine inherent in all women always rules out over prurient rants. This is reinforced by the fact that the sex stuff has almost always been entertainingly campy.

At the end of P Control, the bad boy's last effort to use every bad word in the book (before he got "LarryGrahamed"), ironically to promote virtuosity, he puts all the gutter talk in context again when he reprimands "juvenile" thoughts.

Yeah, he hits on sex a lot, as an aesthetic, but even the new Pope's recent encyclical letter hit on sex quite a bit -- context is key.
[Edited 4/9/06 16:10pm]


You're reaching.

Prince has made some seriously amoral music. EVIL by social standards.

He made Tipper Gore mad as a wet hen. She formed a committe to print warning labels on EVIL RECORDS, she was so mad.

But you know what? That's sort of the point of being an artist. Being unique and original by definition means you're breaking with the norm. And that upsets a lot of people.

Here's what's funny to me. People get bent out of shape over "Sister" and "Lady Cab Driver," but what I find disturbing are soft rock love songs.

Turn the dial to your adult contemporary radio station and you hear some of the most anguished, bitter, desperate shrieks and howls of pain. But you don't think twice cuz it's Phil Collins singing. It's music for seriously lovesick people, and it's some dark, dark shit.

All things being equal, I'd say Peter Cetera and Mariah Carey are every bit as dangerous as Prince.

good point there--that shit is indeed every bit as dangerous as what the PMRC and similar groups was/is going after. nod
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Reply #35 posted 04/09/06 8:00pm

DiamondGirl

alwayslate said:

GoZero said:

...juvenile ...

Find the lyric where Prince endorses physical violence, w/o using figurative language! Bet you can't.

"I'm on the verge of rape
I don't think U heard me (Ooh ooh!)
I'm on the verge of rape
I'm on the..

I'm sorry, but I'm just gonna have 2 rape U
Now are U going 2 get into the tub or do I have 2 drag U?
Don't make me drag U
I can be very cruel
Yeah! "

from dtt-lyrics.com


BOOYA!

dont forget whippin her body till sh e starts to bleed from Horny Toad
biggrin

and the whole "bitch" usage in a few songs. While not physical violence, still verbally abusive.
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Reply #36 posted 04/09/06 8:28pm

alwayslate

DiamondGirl said:

alwayslate said:


"I'm on the verge of rape
I don't think U heard me (Ooh ooh!)
I'm on the verge of rape
I'm on the..

I'm sorry, but I'm just gonna have 2 rape U
Now are U going 2 get into the tub or do I have 2 drag U?
Don't make me drag U
I can be very cruel
Yeah! "

from dtt-lyrics.com


BOOYA!

dont forget whippin her body till sh e starts to bleed from Horny Toad
biggrin

and the whole "bitch" usage in a few songs. While not physical violence, still verbally abusive.

hey, i been saying for years that he "hits" the girl he's talking to in "Something in the Water"
you hear a thud right after he says "bitch, you think you're special? So do I"...then it sounds like he starts to say "come here" and then *thud thud* "why in God's name d'you wanna make me cry? why?"
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Reply #37 posted 04/09/06 9:05pm

DiamondGirl

alwayslate said:

DiamondGirl said:



BOOYA!

dont forget whippin her body till sh e starts to bleed from Horny Toad
biggrin

and the whole "bitch" usage in a few songs. While not physical violence, still verbally abusive.

hey, i been saying for years that he "hits" the girl he's talking to in "Something in the Water"
you hear a thud right after he says "bitch, you think you're special? So do I"...then it sounds like he starts to say "come here" and then *thud thud* "why in God's name d'you wanna make me cry? why?"


hey I already stated in that H2O thread a few weeks ago that that thud was Susan Rogers thumpin him in the head for saying "bitch!" ..Susan went clunk!
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Reply #38 posted 04/09/06 10:09pm

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DiamondGirl said:

Is Prince trying to gain absolution and not go to hell (lol) for his so called lascivious past work put out to a mass public?


Just thought you should know, In the JW religion, which prince is being a part of, they choose not to believe in "Hell".

Thus, Prince wouldn't be trying to "gain absolution" rather he would be trying to escape by repeating to him self "It doesn't exist". wink

Anyway, never thought Prince was slated for hell, but I just thought I should point this part out.
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #39 posted 04/10/06 12:31am

padawan

MickG said:

DiamondGirl said:

Is Prince trying to gain absolution and not go to hell (lol) for his so called lascivious past work put out to a mass public?


Just thought you should know, In the JW religion, which prince is being a part of, they choose not to believe in "Hell".

Thus, Prince wouldn't be trying to "gain absolution" rather he would be trying to escape by repeating to him self "It doesn't exist". wink

Anyway, never thought Prince was slated for hell, but I just thought I should point this part out.


If Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell, then what happens to the words of "Eye No?"

Eye No
There is a Heaven
But Eye'm not so sure
About a Hell
Listen to me people
I got a story to tell!

I just watched Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" and there's a funny scene near the beginning where two Jehovah's Witnesses approach Spike Lee's character Mookie, and he just says, "HELL no!" and walks on by.
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Reply #40 posted 04/10/06 5:35am

GoZero

Tipper Gore (...and where is she now? irrelevant...) was bent out of shape because of Darling Nikki which was just a "one night stand" causal encounter and masturbaton (most healthy humans masturbate, Anyone see American Beauty?), told in the sexiest way. The song is hardly a call to imitate behavior. Funny, Tip missed the songs about love, spirituality and God.

Why do people get bent out of shape about music lyrics when most music is tame by comparison to what is depicted in literature (great works and otherwise) even in works by award winners like John Irving, Toni Morrison, etc.
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Reply #41 posted 04/10/06 5:39am

GoZero

moonshine said:

GoZero said:

What song and on what album is that?!?
[Edited 4/9/06 17:41pm]


its from the unreleased "Extralovable"


Hence it was "unreleased". Artist have a whole world of experiences to draw from as a palette, but the colors they choose usually define what they are all about. There are probably a lot of really bad songs (that we haven't heard already...) that Prince developed/experimented with, and later said, "that's really not me", "not what I'm about". The albums he offically releases are the ones that will ultimately define him.
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Reply #42 posted 04/10/06 6:02am

GoZero

dont forget whippin her body till sh e starts to bleed from Horny Toad
biggrin
and the whole "bitch" usage in a few songs. While not physical violence, still verbally abusive.[/quote]


He's actually say's "rub" not "whip" which just suggests rough (albeit angry) sex. Been there, done that. Besides, he begins the song with:

"If I had your number
I'd call U on the phone"

It's all theoretical. In his head. Humans can think about/imagine anything; that doesn't make us immoral, because most moral people rationally tone down bad thoughts and THAT makes us moral. What makes us immoral is when bad thoughts translate freely into irrational actions. Even Lady Cab Driver could easy be seen as vocalized fantasy resulting from sexual, political, adolescent frustration. Spririt/flesh, love/lust, love/hate -- P depicts it all, but keeps it in a moral context if you care to look. It's what makes great art great.

Irresistable Bitch:
A study in jealousy. He loves her and hates her. Very much a part of universal human experience. Been there, done that. AND it was a "B-Side" -- not a part of the major statement he was making with the offical album, just in case any juveniles get confused. ...[u]
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Reply #43 posted 04/10/06 7:56am

alwayslate

GoZero said:

moonshine said:



its from the unreleased "Extralovable"


Hence it was "unreleased". Artist have a whole world of experiences to draw from as a palette, but the colors they choose usually define what they are all about. There are probably a lot of really bad songs (that we haven't heard already...) that Prince developed/experimented with, and later said, "that's really not me", "not what I'm about". The albums he offically releases are the ones that will ultimately define him.

come on now. did he tell you that?
You didn't ask for "official" releases. You asked for a lyric and I gave you one. Further, how do you know Prince decided that this song "wasn't was he was about?" He was young, he liked fuck, and he liked to bathe with girls. it was everything he was about at the time. He talked about bathing together and such in a lot of his stuff.
You obviously never heard it because it sound just like any of the other songs that he recorded at the time. It IS him. He wrote it. He recorded it. All his music "defines" him, not just the ones you heard, man.

..and for the record, Extraloveable was a banger. it was in no way a bad song.
[Edited 4/10/06 7:59am]
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Reply #44 posted 04/10/06 8:49am

FunkMistress

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alwayslate said:

GoZero said:



Hence it was "unreleased". Artist have a whole world of experiences to draw from as a palette, but the colors they choose usually define what they are all about. There are probably a lot of really bad songs (that we haven't heard already...) that Prince developed/experimented with, and later said, "that's really not me", "not what I'm about". The albums he offically releases are the ones that will ultimately define him.

come on now. did he tell you that?
You didn't ask for "official" releases. You asked for a lyric and I gave you one. Further, how do you know Prince decided that this song "wasn't was he was about?" He was young, he liked fuck, and he liked to bathe with girls. it was everything he was about at the time. He talked about bathing together and such in a lot of his stuff.
You obviously never heard it because it sound just like any of the other songs that he recorded at the time. It IS him. He wrote it. He recorded it. All his music "defines" him, not just the ones you heard, man.

..and for the record, Extraloveable was a banger. it was in no way a bad song.
[Edited 4/10/06 7:59am]


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Reply #45 posted 04/10/06 8:52am

Handclapsfinga
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FunkMistress said:

alwayslate said:


come on now. did he tell you that?
You didn't ask for "official" releases. You asked for a lyric and I gave you one. Further, how do you know Prince decided that this song "wasn't was he was about?" He was young, he liked fuck, and he liked to bathe with girls. it was everything he was about at the time. He talked about bathing together and such in a lot of his stuff.
You obviously never heard it because it sound just like any of the other songs that he recorded at the time. It IS him. He wrote it. He recorded it. All his music "defines" him, not just the ones you heard, man.

..and for the record, Extraloveable was a banger. it was in no way a bad song.
[Edited 4/10/06 7:59am]


biggrin

i nominate that chit as a quoteable on the front page.
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Reply #46 posted 04/10/06 8:54am

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

FunkMistress said:



biggrin

i nominate that chit as a quoteable on the front page.


My vote goes to this one:

alwayslate said:

DiamondGirl said:



it is?

Shoot, in the past he would have made Lollita bleed.


lol but he still would have prayed for forgiveness when he was done with her. "Father Jehovah, please, please forgive this wretched sinner for knockin' the bottom outta dem drawlz, Amen."
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Reply #47 posted 04/10/06 8:56am

Handclapsfinga
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FunkMistress said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:



lol but he still would have prayed for forgiveness when he was done with her. "Father Jehovah, please, please forgive this wretched sinner for knockin' the bottom outta dem drawlz, Amen."

that shit's classic. falloff
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Reply #48 posted 04/10/06 9:30am

alwayslate

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

FunkMistress said:


that shit's classic. falloff

Prince was kinda violent, ya'll. I miss violent Prince, don't you? That was a go-hard n*&&a. It was music, art, whatever... anything is acceptable in art, right? ask that mappelthorpe dude.
we know Prince was all peace and love God 'n shit. except when it came to the ladies. I mean, as long as the women were willing (When 2 R in Love, Insatiable, Do Me Baby,International Lover, etc) he was lovely and stuff and wanted to give give give the big O til your river was an ocean and all that. But the moment a woman said "no?"

sheeeeeit... look, he dragging her ass to the tub, now 'n shit. and cruelly, yet.
lol
the moral: you do not tell Prince, "no", bitches.
now I bet ya'll can't nobody name a song where a woman told Prince "no" and got away with it.
released OR unreleased. and don't say "Cindy C" neither. he was ASKING... we never heard her answer.

we are waaaaay off the topic of this thread aren't we? Anyway, I'm just trying to say, let's not kid ourselves. Prince is trying to make up for his past or whatever the topic of this joint was. i forgot, lol.
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Reply #49 posted 04/14/06 10:48am

DiamondGirl

GoZero said:

...juvenile ...

Find the lyric where Prince endorses physical violence, w/o using figurative language! Bet you can't.


"baby you need to bleed"-Bambi
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Reply #50 posted 04/14/06 1:33pm

padawan

GoZero said:

Tipper Gore (...and where is she now? irrelevant...) was bent out of shape because of Darling Nikki which was just a "one night stand" causal encounter and masturbaton (most healthy humans masturbate, Anyone see American Beauty?), told in the sexiest way. The song is hardly a call to imitate behavior. Funny, Tip missed the songs about love, spirituality and God.

Why do people get bent out of shape about music lyrics when most music is tame by comparison to what is depicted in literature (great works and otherwise) even in works by award winners like John Irving, Toni Morrison, etc.


Funny how Tipper freaked out over "Darling Nikki" and years later at the Democratic National Convention she gets her tongue on with her hubbie on national television.

They shoulda played "Darling Nikki" while they made out.

He woulda won the election by a landslide.
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