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#1 debut in perspective WEEKEND TOP 10: Lyric Street’s Rascal Flatts are on target for the year’s largest first-week debut, with totals approaching 770-780k as we head into the weekend. UTV’s Now 21 looks like a lock for #2, with 330-340k in its debut week. Grand Hustle/ Atlantic’s T.I. drops around 66% from its chart-topping opening week of 532k to around 170-180k for third place, where it will battle with Walt Disney Records’ High School Musical, up slightly to 170-180k, while LaFace/ZLG’s Pink is set to bow at #5 with between 115-120k. With a prime-time NBC special this week, Curb’s Tim McGraw should notch between 100-105k. The rest of the Top 10 includes Custard/Atlantic’s James Blunt (60-65k), the debut of Purple Ribbon/Virgin’s Bubba Sparxxx (55-60k), Epic’s Shakira re-issue (50-55k) and Universal’s Prince (45-50k). (4/7p)
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I never really thought his 200K no.1 during a dry week release was about shit anyways.
Universal saw to it the releases during that time were going to allow for prince to have a week to himself so he could claim a no.1. and how many of that 200k were wonka cds? [Edited 4/7/06 15:17pm] | |
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DiamondGirl said: I never really thought his 200K no.1 during a dry week release was about shit anyways.
Universal saw to it the releases during that time were going to allow for prince to have a week to himself so he could claim a no.1. and how many of that 200k were wonka cds? [Edited 4/7/06 15:17pm] Okay here's my view on this. 200K for a big artist with lots of radio play is "shit". 200 K for an artist who couldn't get radio play if he offered all the diamonds and pearls in the world is not "shit". A tad disappointing maybe for the most optimistic but not "shit". The album will go over 300K total sales after next week. The album will go gold. It will go gold with no support from the traditional venues. Gold with no tour as of yet. Not bad for an artist who couldn't sell saltines to a salad factory 5 years ago. Prince has sold a lot of albums in his career but mostly because he has released a lot of albums. Take away Purple Rain and he averages a million a release, maybe a little more. Lovesexy, released in Prince's prime, went Gold. Diamonds and Pearls with all of its hit singles and videos only went double platinum. Prince, with a few notable exceptions, has never been a huge album sales guy. The majority of his albums have been bought by the hardcore and a few new fans brought in by a snappy single. So yes 3121 is not selling what Rascal Flatts is or TI but neither of them are underplayed 50 years olds who have been in the industry for 30 years. [Edited 4/7/06 15:41pm] All good things they say never last... | |
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GottaLetitgo said: DiamondGirl said: I never really thought his 200K no.1 during a dry week release was about shit anyways.
Universal saw to it the releases during that time were going to allow for prince to have a week to himself so he could claim a no.1. and how many of that 200k were wonka cds? [Edited 4/7/06 15:17pm] Okay here's my view on this. 200K for a big artist with lots of radio play is "shit". 200 K for an artist who couldn't get radio play if he offered all the diamonds and pearls in the world is not "shit". A tad disappointing maybe for the most optimistic but not "shit". The album will go over 300K total sales after next week. The album will go gold. It will go gold with no support from the traditional venues. Gold with no tour as of yet. Not bad for an artist who couldn't sell saltines to a salad factory 5 years ago. Prince has sold a lot of albums in his career but mostly because he has released a lot of albums. Take away Purple Rain and he averages a million a release, maybe a little more. Lovesexy, released in Prince's prime, went Gold. Diamonds and Pearls with all of its hit singles and videos only went double platinum. Prince, with a few notable exceptions, has never been a huge album sales guy. The majority of his albums have been bought by the hardcore and a few new fans brought in by a snappy single. So yes 3121 is not selling what Rascal Flatts is or TI but neither of them are underplayed 50 years olds who have been in the industry for 30 years. [Edited 4/7/06 15:41pm] SO SO TRUE!!!! I have been saying this for so long that if U took away a few of Prince albums, like Purple Rain, ATWIAD,1999, that Princ has been a very consistent "hardcore" seller, basically bringing in a Gold Record when theres some hype and bacially around 200,000 when there isnt hype. I mean look at the Rainbow Children, that brought in about 150,000, had no single, no airplay, it wasnt even in most stores. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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GottaLetitgo said: DiamondGirl said: I never really thought his 200K no.1 during a dry week release was about shit anyways.
Universal saw to it the releases during that time were going to allow for prince to have a week to himself so he could claim a no.1. and how many of that 200k were wonka cds? [Edited 4/7/06 15:17pm] Okay here's my view on this. 200K for a big artist with lots of radio play is "shit". 200 K for an artist who couldn't get radio play if he offered all the diamonds and pearls in the world is not "shit". A tad disappointing maybe for the most optimistic but not "shit". The album will go over 300K total sales after next week. The album will go gold. It will go gold with no support from the traditional venues. 1.dude went on SNL 2.Did a Tower Records show 3.Did an industry only show 4.Has a prmoninant video on vh1 5.has advertising on VH1 6.has adverstising up the yuinbg yang at major record stores across the states 7.Has had excellent positive reviews since and before 3121 release 8.Has done major promo listening sessions for the press Dont even try and tell me Universal and Prince haven't worked this one like a 9 to 5 through traditonal venues and only sold so far 200k to me with all that has been done in favor of the record...200K aint shit | |
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GottaLetitgo said: So yes 3121 is not selling what Rascal Flatts is or TI but neither of them are underplayed 50 years olds who have been in the industry for 30 years.
Yes, I have no idea who Rascal Flatts is/are (clearly they haven't hit the UK yet...always good to remember Prince is one of the few GLOBAL artist) but somehow I doubt they will be selling 300k or more in 20 years time like Prince, I doubt they will be even remembered in 5 years time, as pop music acts have such short lifespans these days. It's all relative. Still, it's a shame Prince isn't selling more. I don't think it is reflective of the quality of the album, I think it is simply a case that Prince has been around so long that people have enough Prince albums in their collection and have reached saturation point; they would rather spend their pennies on fresh artists. Kind of in the same way that I think the Rolling Stones are great but I don't have much interest in buying their latest album. | |
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I'm not a Rascal Flats fan but I do know who they are. Why? Because the came out 2 where I was stationed in Iraq last year. I mean, during the show we were attacked on our base twice...Whatever success they get they deserve 4 coming out 4 the troops...I know it made alot of peoples week...So good 4 them... | |
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metalorange said: Still, it's a shame Prince isn't selling more. I don't think it is reflective of the quality of the album, I think it is simply a case that Prince has been around so long that people have enough Prince albums in their collection and have reached saturation point; they would rather spend their pennies on fresh artists. Kind of in the same way that I think the Rolling Stones are great but I don't have much interest in buying their latest album. I agree - I don't see the numbers as disappointing, and I don't think the album is necessarily 'finished' in the charts. Something better happen soon, though, to keep momentum. This is the first time in a long time that Prince has put together an album that is stronger than the sum of the songs, and there are enough songs on this album that have the potential to draw in new listeners...if they get to hear them. "I got the devil in me, girl." - 'John the Baptist', Afghan Whigs
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DiamondGirl said: GottaLetitgo said: Okay here's my view on this. 200K for a big artist with lots of radio play is "shit". 200 K for an artist who couldn't get radio play if he offered all the diamonds and pearls in the world is not "shit". A tad disappointing maybe for the most optimistic but not "shit". The album will go over 300K total sales after next week. The album will go gold. It will go gold with no support from the traditional venues. 1.dude went on SNL 2.Did a Tower Records show 3.Did an industry only show 4.Has a prmoninant video on vh1 5.has advertising on VH1 6.has adverstising up the yuinbg yang at major record stores across the states 7.Has had excellent positive reviews since and before 3121 release 8.Has done major promo listening sessions for the press Dont even try and tell me Universal and Prince haven't worked this one like a 9 to 5 through traditonal venues and only sold so far 200k to me with all that has been done in favor of the record...200K aint shit None of that equals the millions of listens that radio play brings. All of this got the base excited but the unwashed masses are only brought in by hits on the radio. All good things they say never last... | |
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DiamondGirl said: GottaLetitgo said: Okay here's my view on this. 200K for a big artist with lots of radio play is "shit". 200 K for an artist who couldn't get radio play if he offered all the diamonds and pearls in the world is not "shit". A tad disappointing maybe for the most optimistic but not "shit". The album will go over 300K total sales after next week. The album will go gold. It will go gold with no support from the traditional venues. 1.dude went on SNL 2.Did a Tower Records show 3.Did an industry only show 4.Has a prmoninant video on vh1 5.has advertising on VH1 6.has adverstising up the yuinbg yang at major record stores across the states 7.Has had excellent positive reviews since and before 3121 release 8.Has done major promo listening sessions for the press Dont even try and tell me Universal and Prince haven't worked this one like a 9 to 5 through traditonal venues and only sold so far 200k to me with all that has been done in favor of the record...200K aint shit SNL i never watch i dont think many ppl watch snl and one appearance is easily forgotten Tower u had to be in LA and presonally stand in line i dont think its much of publicity it reached very few ppl which industry only show?? vh1 was a benefit ok but not many ppl get vh1 excellent reviews becasue its a ncie album?? is that a crime?? listening session for press which is 2 dozen ppl so i guess his albums 24 more copies now dont be a bitch!!! or worse still a whore!! rascal flatt sell becasue they r country act and those have solid following even age doesnt matter !! but thats only in red neck states Plus see everyone is all over TV sharika was on american idol and ellen and i am sure on many more shows pink was on nbc is goin to oprah and many more shows!!! [Edited 4/7/06 18:05pm] | |
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DiamondGirl said: GottaLetitgo said: Okay here's my view on this. 200K for a big artist with lots of radio play is "shit". 200 K for an artist who couldn't get radio play if he offered all the diamonds and pearls in the world is not "shit". A tad disappointing maybe for the most optimistic but not "shit". The album will go over 300K total sales after next week. The album will go gold. It will go gold with no support from the traditional venues. 1.dude went on SNL 2.Did a Tower Records show 3.Did an industry only show 4.Has a prmoninant video on vh1 5.has advertising on VH1 6.has adverstising up the yuinbg yang at major record stores across the states 7.Has had excellent positive reviews since and before 3121 release 8.Has done major promo listening sessions for the press Dont even try and tell me Universal and Prince haven't worked this one like a 9 to 5 through traditonal venues and only sold so far 200k to me with all that has been done in favor of the record...200K aint shit Other than SNL (which he did very early....and didn't even perform the single on), he really didn't do any shows, which is a damn shame. The album sales could have been much better if he did half as much as he did when "Musicology" came out! | |
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asg said: DiamondGirl said: 1.dude went on SNL 2.Did a Tower Records show 3.Did an industry only show 4.Has a prmoninant video on vh1 5.has advertising on VH1 6.has adverstising up the yuinbg yang at major record stores across the states 7.Has had excellent positive reviews since and before 3121 release 8.Has done major promo listening sessions for the press Dont even try and tell me Universal and Prince haven't worked this one like a 9 to 5 through traditonal venues and only sold so far 200k to me with all that has been done in favor of the record...200K aint shit SNL i never watch i dont think many ppl watch snl and one appearance is easily forgotten Tower u had to be in LA and presonally stand in line i dont think its much of publicity it reached very few ppl which industry only show?? vh1 was a benefit ok but not many ppl get vh1 excellent reviews becasue its a ncie album?? is that a crime?? listening session for press which is 2 dozen ppl so i guess his albums 24 more copies now dont be a bitch!!! or worse still a whore!! rascal flatt sell becasue they r country act and those have solid following even age doesnt matter !! but thats only in red neck states Plus see everyone is all over TV sharika was on american idol and ellen and i am sure on many more shows pink was on nbc is goin to oprah and many more shows!!! [Edited 4/7/06 18:05pm] I think you need to calm down. | |
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GottaLetitgo said: DiamondGirl said: 1.dude went on SNL 2.Did a Tower Records show 3.Did an industry only show 4.Has a prmoninant video on vh1 5.has advertising on VH1 6.has adverstising up the yuinbg yang at major record stores across the states 7.Has had excellent positive reviews since and before 3121 release 8.Has done major promo listening sessions for the press Dont even try and tell me Universal and Prince haven't worked this one like a 9 to 5 through traditonal venues and only sold so far 200k to me with all that has been done in favor of the record...200K aint shit None of that equals the millions of listens that radio play brings. . Ah. Gotcha. So its all about playing the record. The hell with everything else. Even though I think the everything else is promotion as well as what GETS/MAKES the station owners have it played.  | |
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