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Printable2freaky4church1 said: It was a hit video for a while, I guess if the song isn't on Itunes then it cannot be a hit. The lack of a chorus may be the real reason.
But it was on Itunes...they offered a chance at a Purple Ticket if you bought it, which I did. Is there even a physical single for Black Sweat? Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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DavidEye said: vainandy said: It's not a hit because Prince is the one that made it. Even if Prince completely sold out and released something that completely fits in with today's music, look who the music buyers are these days and the type of artists they are buying, not just musicwise but imagewise as well.
The majority of the music buying brats these days do not want an individual, they want a tired ass person with big ass jeans and a damn sports jersey. For an artist to be successful in this day and age, he has to not only be boring musically but he has to be boring visually as well. Precisely  Not exactly. It's what the Music Corporations are telling them that's what they want and thus it feeds onto itself. The kids nowadays don't know the difference between good music and bad music. Radio is no longer a barometer for them as you can't even find that one decent radio station left that plays good music. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: 2freaky4church1 said: It was a hit video for a while, I guess if the song isn't on Itunes then it cannot be a hit. The lack of a chorus may be the real reason.
But it was on Itunes...they offered a chance at a Purple Ticket if you bought it, which I did. Is there even a physical single for Black Sweat? I heard it wasn't on the UK Itunes initially, even though it was on the US version. I'm not sure if it is now because I don't use Itunes. For the UK chart, there needs to be a physical single associated with it for downloads to count - probably why they put out the '12 inch' of Black Sweat which is exactly the same as the album version. | |
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metalorange said: superspaceboy said: But it was on Itunes...they offered a chance at a Purple Ticket if you bought it, which I did. Is there even a physical single for Black Sweat? I heard it wasn't on the UK Itunes initially, even though it was on the US version. I'm not sure if it is now because I don't use Itunes. For the UK chart, there needs to be a physical single associated with it for downloads to count - probably why they put out the '12 inch' of Black Sweat which is exactly the same as the album version. And if you're one of the lucky ones, you got it on Picture disc...which is the only reason to get it. I can't even play mine it's warped  ...but it'll look nice in a frameChristian Zombie Vampires | |
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More importantly WHY NO REMIXES OR EXTENEDED VERSIONS ???
I'm sure we all agree that there has been such a riduculous dry spell ---what WAS the last remix or ext version has he released? After RAVE --NOTHING. | |
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Timekeeper,you never answered my question,so I will ask it again...
If "Black Sweat" was the latest single by Usher or Justin Timberlake,would radio stations ignore it?  | |
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metalorange said: In America, you get a hit through airplay, not sales, bonkers though that system is. So the reason is clear - the DJs didn't want to play it. So the question is now, why didn't DJs want to play Black Sweat? For this there could be multiple answers - Universal didn't bribe the station enough to put it on their playlists, or Prince insisted Universal didn't pay the usual fees (and so kept true to his song 'Jukebox With A Heartbeat'!), or with all the specific genre playing stations they couldn't decide what genre Black Sweat fit into, or DJs regard Prince still as a has-been and instead would rather play youth-orientated singles by artists with careers less than a few years old, or all of the above.
In the UK, the new number one got there by downloads alone which now count towards the chart. I may be wrong, but is Black Sweat even available via UK Itunes? So that hurts it a lot. Personally, I've never been able to get into the psyche of people who buy singles. I always think, save the money and put it towards the album, unless it is a 12 inch or has an unreleased b-side or remix. Personally, I don't buy the idea that it was a bad single choice. It's infectious, contemporary, but different enough to stand out from the crowd. I'd rather Prince put out a funky experimental sounding single than some done-to-death middle-of-the-road mushy r'n'b ballad. ----- "the DJs didn't want to play it. " On point with this answer. The amount of wisecracks and snickering the few times I did hear on the radio was outragous. Urban radio will play some crap like "I Am In Love With A Stripper" but not Black Sweat. Big time haterade is going on. | |
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metalorange said: NPD313 said: They've pretty much black balled him.
Most radio programmers hate PRINCE for some reason. I can only think that would be because Prince has rocked the boat, and no one likes someone who rocks the boat, especially when it's sinking! By going to the extreme of saying record contracts were like slavery, more than anyone he shone a spotlight on the inner workings of record companies. Add to that, he went off and bypassed record companies for so long and encouraged others to do the same - no wonder record companies as a whole hate him, and their way of getting back at him is to dissuade radios that they feed from playing him too much! It's a conspiracy, I tells ya! ----- A few years ago I would have said no but I am pretty sure he has been blackballed. Lucky for him he has a solid fanbase. So no real worries. | |
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superspaceboy said: DavidEye said: Precisely Not exactly. It's what the Music Corporations are telling them that's what they want and thus it feeds onto itself. The kids nowadays don't know the difference between good music and bad music. Radio is no longer a barometer for them as you can't even find that one decent radio station left that plays good music. The kids are the monster that Frankenstein (Clear Channel, MTV, BET, major record labels buying up smaller labels, etc.) created. You are absolutely correct about them not knowing the difference between good or bad music because they have been fed stripped down, midtempo, sampled hip hop since birth. There has been no real change in music (especially R&B) in 15 years. They didn't live through the various changes that so many of us lived through every five years or so such as the Motown era of the 1960s, R&B acts like Al Green, The Staple Singers, etc. of the early 1970s, funk of the 1970s, disco, funk of the 1980s, party rap of the early 1980s, house music, etc. The only thing they know is either midtempo hip hop or R&B that has been influenced by it. That's the only kind of R&B that has been in style in their entire lifetime. If Frankenstein died tomorrow, nothing would change because his monster only knows what has been fed by Frankenstein. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Black Sweat - I Love It !
I think it should of been a hit on the R & B - Hip Hop stations. Sad to say, Mainstream Radio is not going to warm up to a song called "Black" Sweat. Its too in their face. Lolita is "in my opinion" the song with the most potential for a radio hit. Prince - Save it for a June release. Its a good summertime hit. | |
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skip said: TimeKeeper said: Yeah, but you can kinda get an idea based on what songs become popular. For a second, imagine Prince's Black Sweat and Madonna's Hung Up fell into your lap before anyone ever heard it. Which song do you think would become the bigger hit with the same promotion and play? Be honest. Again, it's all about intention. Madonna sampled ABBA on that track which guaranteed that the song would be instantly familiar and catchy, even on first listen. It took me a few listens to "Hung Up" before I liked it on its own merits and not because the ABBA groove pulled me in. Just saying Prince has never resorted to anything like that, aside from one or two instances where he sampled himself ("My Name is Prince," "Musicology"). Because at the end of the day, he may want a hit, but it's not as important to him as Madonna. When you compare Madonna's music to Prince's, keep in mind that you are also comparing the work of dozens of different songwriters and producers who have all been selected for their hitmaking skills– to one songwriter, one producer, and in many cases, one musician. If he wanted a hit as badly as you seem to want one for him, he could hire a hit factory too. Guess he's got other priorities. I'm sure Prince doesn't care enough about hits. He's already rich and he'll continue to recieve checks in the mail. So he really couldn't care less what people like me think. But as much as I dig the fact that Prince can do it all himself, it doesn't mean much at the end of the day when I hit the skip button on most of the tracks. | |
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metalorange said: With the Abba sample - Madonna. Without the catchy sample, less so, but Madonna because she is still 'in'. But let me ask you this back, these days, do you think Prince would EVER get as much promotion and play as Madonna on radio? I don't think so - she's in and he isn't. I think if Prince released a really hot track, it would catch on. It may take a bit longer than it would for Madonna, but it would get out there and become a hit. Speaking of oldies, the Red Hot Chili Peppers have a new song out. Not only was the video shown on Channel 4 the other night, but I've heard it on radio the day before, yesterday twice on a car trip, and whilst wandering into my brother's room today. Now THAT'S the aiplay promotion Black Sweat never got and I'll bet the Chili's song charts highly. But at the same, Black Sweat is really a pretty weak track. I could understand some frustration if the song was the bomb and tons of people were demanding it, but that's not the case. Even on this site, the opinions go both ways. It's certainly not the prince.org favorite. | |
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DavidEye said: Timekeeper,you never answered my question,so I will ask it again...
If "Black Sweat" was the latest single by Usher or Justin Timberlake,would radio stations ignore it? They'd give it a shot, but ultimately it would fade quick. | |
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buttcheeks said: Black Sweat - I Love It !
I think it should of been a hit on the R & B - Hip Hop stations. Sad to say, Mainstream Radio is not going to warm up to a song called "Black" Sweat. Its too in their face. Lolita is "in my opinion" the song with the most potential for a radio hit. Prince - Save it for a June release. Its a good summertime hit. Lotita would get laughed right off the radio. It could be a hit with 9 year olds though. | |
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laurarichardson said: metalorange said: In America, you get a hit through airplay, not sales, bonkers though that system is. So the reason is clear - the DJs didn't want to play it. So the question is now, why didn't DJs want to play Black Sweat? For this there could be multiple answers - Universal didn't bribe the station enough to put it on their playlists, or Prince insisted Universal didn't pay the usual fees (and so kept true to his song 'Jukebox With A Heartbeat'!), or with all the specific genre playing stations they couldn't decide what genre Black Sweat fit into, or DJs regard Prince still as a has-been and instead would rather play youth-orientated singles by artists with careers less than a few years old, or all of the above.
In the UK, the new number one got there by downloads alone which now count towards the chart. I may be wrong, but is Black Sweat even available via UK Itunes? So that hurts it a lot. Personally, I've never been able to get into the psyche of people who buy singles. I always think, save the money and put it towards the album, unless it is a 12 inch or has an unreleased b-side or remix. Personally, I don't buy the idea that it was a bad single choice. It's infectious, contemporary, but different enough to stand out from the crowd. I'd rather Prince put out a funky experimental sounding single than some done-to-death middle-of-the-road mushy r'n'b ballad. ----- "the DJs didn't want to play it. " On point with this answer. The amount of wisecracks and snickering the few times I did hear on the radio was outragous. Urban radio will play some crap like "I Am In Love With A Stripper" but not Black Sweat. Big time haterade is going on. If the song didn't suck so much, it might get more respect. | |
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TimeKeeper said: DavidEye said: Timekeeper,you never answered my question,so I will ask it again...
If "Black Sweat" was the latest single by Usher or Justin Timberlake,would radio stations ignore it? They'd give it a shot, but ultimately it would fade quick. Lol...if "Black Sweat" was by Usher,it would be the Number One song in America right now. | |
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DavidEye said: TimeKeeper said: They'd give it a shot, but ultimately it would fade quick. Lol...if "Black Sweat" was by Usher,it would be the Number One song in America right now. Maybe, if the song were good. | |
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buttcheeks said: Black Sweat - I Love It !
I think it should of been a hit on the R & B - Hip Hop stations. Sad to say, Mainstream Radio is not going to warm up to a song called "Black" Sweat. Its too in their face. Lolita is "in my opinion" the song with the most potential for a radio hit. Prince - Save it for a June release. Its a good summertime hit. I think this is definitely part of it. You can't express any kind of racial pride and expect to get in the top 10 anymore. If only the chorus had gone "Knittin'...knittin' up a black sweat-er!' | |
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It’s a bit of a catch 22 where Prince is concerned. He is not viewed as current or mainstream enough by the mainstream media and radio stations for him to get airplay regularly. So he would have to have a hit in the charts for the radio to pick up on him. But he cant get a hit in the charts without radio play.
I still think that if he had an extended version, a remix or an additional track on the single that isn’t on the album, then all of us who bought the album in the first week would have bought the single too. If our buying power got the album to debut at no1, then surely that same collective of people would have got the single pretty close, if not directly to no1 too. Once the single was there in the charts the radio would naturally pick up on it and give it a good run, which in turn would generate more sales… Prince just cant rely on radio picking him up like they would Timberlake or 50 C*nt etc so he needs to use his fan base to get him that extra push. And he aint gonna get our help by releasing something that is exactly the same as the album version. I really think it has nothing to do with it being a good song or not… Not these days in a world consumed with bubblegum pop and monotonous “RnB” blurb… |
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I think the Kiss comparison is actually good - Kiss was not an "easy" radio hit. At the time it sounded strange and unusual. The falsetto was unfamiliar at the time, as was the sound. The radios plugged it because P was still cool (despite ATWIAD - after all, it had RB), and it felt fresh.
At the moment, despite the success of Musicology P is not "cool". And, although I think BS is amazing, and in many ways fresh sounding, it's also in many ways actually DERIVATIVE of many current sounds. So the main motivations to plug Kiss are absent from BS. I know its sounds contradictory, but what I'm saying is that BS is too difficult to be a hit unless pushed and that P is not cool enough at the moment for that to happen. OTOH, it is also not fresh ENOUGH for them to play it anyway (oh, well, maybe it is...) "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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DavidEye said: TimeKeeper said: They'd give it a shot, but ultimately it would fade quick. Lol...if "Black Sweat" was by Usher,it would be the Number One song in America right now.  jukebox w/a   I wish u heaven | |
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