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Reply #30 posted 04/05/06 7:11am

TimeKeeper

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Of course not. But a catchy song is a catchy song, no matter how bad you think it is.

Black Sweat isn't catchy.


It certainly has my Mom singing the chorus quite a bit. lol



Well, there ya go. neutral
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Reply #31 posted 04/05/06 7:13am

TimeKeeper

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Seriously. It is BAFFLING (sp?)!
I thought Universal was on top of it? WTF?


Here's the real reason. It's quite simple, actually.

DJs don't control what music they play. Clear Channel does. Clear Channel doesn't like Prince, therefore, they don't allow their stations to play "Black Sweat" or any other new Prince song regardless of quality. If you listen to satellite radio or if you're on the internet, you'll hear "Black Sweat." If you listen to corporate controlled (Clear Channel) radio, you will only hear what they want you to hear. Simple as that, really.


Even if that's the case, the song is still weak.
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Reply #32 posted 04/05/06 7:13am

TimeKeeper

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"Black Sweat" is not a hit for one reason...it's a good song and these days,"good" songs don't become hits.Crap songs become hits.



But Black Sweat IS crap.
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Reply #33 posted 04/05/06 7:43am

PurpleRein

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Airplay and playlists suck.


most of the radios stations in this country are owned by a few big corporations.
THEY decide what's played and what isn't. sucks, doesn't it?
think about it when you hear "Your beautiful...youre beautiful..." for the hundreth time in the day, or "Shake that thing...", or the Beep song by the Pussycat dolls.

God forbid radio plays something other then a few tracks
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Reply #34 posted 04/05/06 8:02am

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Black Sweat is no hit because it lacks a catchy chorus. I mean, in the last weeks i have heard Kiss more often on the radio then Black Sweat. Kiss is also a minimalistic funksong, but the main difference is, its has a memorable melody and a catchy chorus.
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Reply #35 posted 04/05/06 8:18am

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Remember the days when a Prince single had an awesome B side that wasn’t on the album? Remember the days when the single version was different to the album version?

If he had released a maxi single or an extended version then all us die hards would have been out and bought the single alongside the album. It would have charted pretty high, maybe even no.1 judging by how many albums were sold in the first week.

But alas, why would we buy a single which contains exactly the same version as the album and nothing extra?

Radio play or not, his fan base would have done the work for him if he actually released a single that would make us want it… He really missed the boat on this one. I can only assume he has something up his sleeve…
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Reply #36 posted 04/05/06 8:28am

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Rebeljuice said:

Remember the days when a Prince single had an awesome B side that wasn’t on the album? Remember the days when the single version was different to the album version?

If he had released a maxi single or an extended version then all us die hards would have been out and bought the single alongside the album. It would have charted pretty high, maybe even no.1 judging by how many albums were sold in the first week.

But alas, why would we buy a single which contains exactly the same version as the album and nothing extra?

Radio play or not, his fan base would have done the work for him if he actually released a single that would make us want it… He really missed the boat on this one. I can only assume he has something up his sleeve…


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That contributed to the sales success of a lot of his singles, especially in 91-94. I'll buy any Prince CD that has a track that isn't available anywhere else, but I haven't even considered buying the two 3121 singles.
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Reply #37 posted 04/05/06 9:06am

tripp

because prince never pics the right songs to make hits out of
noituloveR lautiripS weN a fo gninwaD eht si sihT
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Reply #38 posted 04/05/06 9:18am

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I hear they are playing Black Sweat on the radio and on MTV... and more and more people are telling me they heard it.
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Reply #39 posted 04/05/06 9:21am

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loudawg said:

Spanky said:

Seriously. It is BAFFLING (sp?)!
I thought Universal was on top of it? WTF?


Here's the real reason. It's quite simple, actually.

DJs don't control what music they play. Clear Channel does. Clear Channel doesn't like Prince, therefore, they don't allow their stations to play "Black Sweat" or any other new Prince song regardless of quality.


LOL. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Clear channel has no agenda. They exist solely to make money for their shareholders, period. If Prince makes a song that people want to listen to over and over, it will be played on clear channel stations and any other stations.

Black Sweat is a weak throwaway song that is poorly written. That's the reason it's not a hit.
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Reply #40 posted 04/05/06 10:17am

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truefunksoldier said:


Black Sweat is a weak throwaway song that is poorly written. That's the reason it's not a hit.


So how do you explain all the weak, throwaway songs that are poorly written and become hits by other artists? By your logic none of those would be hits either. These days it is far less about being 'well written' and far more about being pushed down our throats on the radio. And that is simply where Prince is losing out. Time and time again Orgers comment that they never or hardly ever have heard it on the radio, when plenty of other duff songs are being played every hour.
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Reply #41 posted 04/05/06 10:19am

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Spanky said:

Seriously. It is BAFFLING (sp?)!
I thought Universal was on top of it? WTF?



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IMHO

It has all the components of a great Prince song but like others have said above it lacks a strong melody and the hook is weak, therefore all the good work is undone. sad thats sums up quite a few songs on 3121,
but hearing the album live like fury/te amo ect.. would be a lot better i think biggrin
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Reply #42 posted 04/05/06 10:34am

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Might be the high pitched dog whistle synth which makes the song nearly unlistenable. neutral

More evidence that Prince could use a producer once in a while.
"What a lovely fat beat with a zompige baslijn"
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Reply #43 posted 04/05/06 11:16am

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roanmairin said:

Might be the high pitched dog whistle synth which makes the song nearly unlistenable. neutral

More evidence that Prince could use a producer once in a while.


thats the cool part, that and the synth bass boogie part that comes in on the chorus.

I hear they are playing Black Sweat on the radio and on MTV... and more and more people are telling me they heard it.
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Reply #44 posted 04/05/06 11:39am

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Spanky said:

Seriously. It is BAFFLING (sp?)!
I thought Universal was on top of it? WTF?


Quite simple Id say - Prince fans buy Prince singles and since he's wimped out of doing anything exciting/new with his singles his top 10 hits have taken a nose dive

It started with The Morning Papers when it just had normally released tracks on it....the only exception to that since would appear to be TMBGITW & Cinamon Girl (and even United States of Division was available on NPGMC)

The king of the B-sides has got lazy in the respect
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Reply #45 posted 04/05/06 11:45am

kisscamille

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I've never heard it on any local radio stations or seen it on any of the major music video stations here in Canada.


I saw the video on MMM about 2 weeks ago. Only saw it once though.
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Reply #46 posted 04/05/06 12:32pm

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this would be a really bad choice for a single. it doesn't have a universal appeal
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Reply #47 posted 04/05/06 12:36pm

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XxAxX said:

this would be a really bad choice for a single. it doesn't have a universal appeal


Pardon the pun.
"What a lovely fat beat with a zompige baslijn"
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Reply #48 posted 04/05/06 12:38pm

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XxAxX said:

this would be a really bad choice for a single. it doesn't have a universal appeal


Black Sweat? I'm hearing all kinds of people tell me (cause they know I like Prince stuff) that they heard Prince is back and that they heard the song on the radio and saw the video...and it's "Black Sweat".

Now as to whether they are buying it, i don't know, but I know of at least two people who have not bought a prince album since Purple Rain who talk about buying this one.

And none of them even know of the existence of the first single "Te Amo Corazon".
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Reply #49 posted 04/05/06 1:20pm

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ufoclub said:

I hear they are playing Black Sweat on the radio and on MTV... and more and more people are telling me they heard it.


yes, they are telling you "they heard it", but they are not saying they want to hear it again lol
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #50 posted 04/05/06 1:22pm

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MickG said:

ufoclub said:

I hear they are playing Black Sweat on the radio and on MTV... and more and more people are telling me they heard it.


yes, they are telling you "they heard it", but they are not saying they want to hear it again lol


no they like it! Like this one hypercritical guy who said Prince burned out after Purple Rain even liked it.
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Reply #51 posted 04/05/06 1:27pm

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ufoclub said:

MickG said:



yes, they are telling you "they heard it", but they are not saying they want to hear it again lol


no they like it! Like this one hypercritical guy who said Prince burned out after Purple Rain even liked it.


I am sure they lop liked it, least objectional programing, but you know, lop rymes with flop.
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #52 posted 04/05/06 1:34pm

1sexymf

I think it would have done well in the early 90's. That too bad, though. This is my fave song on the CD.
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Reply #53 posted 04/05/06 1:38pm

AVENUEMAN

Because the song is GARBAGE!!!!
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Reply #54 posted 04/05/06 1:55pm

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cool Black Sweat is a good song. It's not a hit because the younger audience are not really into Prince as much as they are into these wannabe artist(s).The charts are not what they use to be any more. If you can't get airplay you do not sell well. Now, just one song can make you sell over 2 million as long as you have that radio support backing it.
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Reply #55 posted 04/05/06 2:00pm

TimeKeeper

Howard Stern laughed at this song.

He's a Prince fan by the way.
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Reply #56 posted 04/05/06 2:09pm

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mellow1 said:

cool Black Sweat is a good song. It's not a hit because the younger audience are not really into Prince as much as they are into these wannabe artist(s).The charts are not what they use to be any more. If you can't get airplay you do not sell well. Now, just one song can make you sell over 2 million as long as you have that radio support backing it.


Hell yeah. Even if the song was 'garbage' is it really worse than most of the stuff out there that has been bigger hits? Hell no. The 'garbage' argument does not explain the lack of success at all. First off, Prince is never gonna create one almighty song that EVERYONE thinks is ace, even on this board! I think he did well with Black Sweat to get even half the people on here saying it is good! And even if he did release the most amazing song, without the backing of radio it still wouldn't go anywhere.

The younger audience is into these wannabe artists because they can identify with them in a way they can't identify with the older Prince. That's why they don't buy Prince records so much. How many 47 year old artists who were big a decade before I was born did I like when I was 14-16? None. It's about being cool and Prince hasn't yet climbed back fully into the 'cool' category.
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Reply #57 posted 04/05/06 2:19pm

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metalorange said:

truefunksoldier said:


Black Sweat is a weak throwaway song that is poorly written. That's the reason it's not a hit.


So how do you explain all the weak, throwaway songs that are poorly written and become hits by other artists? By your logic none of those would be hits either. These days it is far less about being 'well written' and far more about being pushed down our throats on the radio. And that is simply where Prince is losing out. Time and time again Orgers comment that they never or hardly ever have heard it on the radio, when plenty of other duff songs are being played every hour.


Instead of making generalisations, how about listing some of those songs that you think are weak and poorly written which have become hits?

And remember just because you don't like a song doesn't mean it's not well written and/or catchy.
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Reply #58 posted 04/05/06 2:25pm

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DiamondGirl said:

Because that one dj at that club only played it once. Remember?


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Reply #59 posted 04/05/06 2:29pm

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It's not a hit because Prince is the one that made it. Even if Prince completely sold out and released something that completely fits in with today's music, look who the music buyers are these days and the type of artists they are buying, not just musicwise but imagewise as well.

The majority of the music buying brats these days do not want an individual, they want a tired ass person with big ass jeans and a damn sports jersey. For an artist to be successful in this day and age, he has to not only be boring musically but he has to be boring visually as well.
Andy is a four letter word.
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