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Thread started 03/31/06 2:26am

Rebeljuice

The Evolution stopped in 94

The sound Prince had during the Gold era and Come was, in my opinion, one of his most unique and original periods where his sound was purely his own. Some people didn’t like this era and thought it was all beginning to sound the same, which they may have a point. I watched the Beautiful Experience on DVD last night and it reminded me of how brilliant the music was that was coming out of Paisley Park at the time.

I think the 94 period was the end of the evolutionary road in terms of Princes music. You can hear his sound evolve through all his albums (especially when you listen to some of the bootlegs surrounding each album) and then, after TGE it seemed to stop. After that we just got one off albums where there was no real direction in terms of where one ends and the next one comes along.

Emancipation through to now has been a very disjointed 10 years that hasn’t ebbed and flowed like 1980 through to 1994 did. It seems that each album during the 80’s and early 90’s evolved and built upon the album that preceded it. You can hear how Dirty Mind became Controversy and how that album became 1999. You can hear how purple Rain came from 1999 and how ATWIAD came from PR… and so on right up until TGE. Then it just goes crazy. Up and down. Each album not really having its own sound and not really stemming from anything, it just appears. TRC just showed up. We never really heard his music evolve towards it. It just happened, and thus shocked many of us and confused us. Musicology. Where did that suddenly come from? And now 3121? I suppose 3121 has a very loose connection with Musicology. Maybe we will see more of a flow between his albums again now? Each one sounding different, but with a natural progression from the last as opposed to a complete in-your-face- u-turn in style and direction.

Ok, I waffle. I know. My point is beyond me….
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Reply #1 posted 03/31/06 2:58am

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I think this is a very valid point and pretty much support it. Although I would add C&D (regardless of whether it is a good album on the whole) as this angry rock album clearly feels developed from Come and TGE era (mostly recorded at same time).

I would say that since 1996 and Emancipation Prince has appeared to almost cover too much musical ground (hey everyone look at me, look at what I can do). And I would also agree with the fact that TRC seemed to come out of nowhere as opposed to having developed from the sound of New Power Soul.
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #2 posted 03/31/06 3:17am

YODAHENDRIX

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Rebeljuice said:

The sound Prince had during the Gold era and Come was, in my opinion, one of his most unique and original periods where his sound was purely his own. Some people didn’t like this era and thought it was all beginning to sound the same, which they may have a point. I watched the Beautiful Experience on DVD last night and it reminded me of how brilliant the music was that was coming out of Paisley Park at the time.

I think the 94 period was the end of the evolutionary road in terms of Princes music. You can hear his sound evolve through all his albums (especially when you listen to some of the bootlegs surrounding each album) and then, after TGE it seemed to stop. After that we just got one off albums where there was no real direction in terms of where one ends and the next one comes along.

Emancipation through to now has been a very disjointed 10 years that hasn’t ebbed and flowed like 1980 through to 1994 did. It seems that each album during the 80’s and early 90’s evolved and built upon the album that preceded it. You can hear how Dirty Mind became Controversy and how that album became 1999. You can hear how purple Rain came from 1999 and how ATWIAD came from PR… and so on right up until TGE. Then it just goes crazy. Up and down. Each album not really having its own sound and not really stemming from anything, it just appears. TRC just showed up. We never really heard his music evolve towards it. It just happened, and thus shocked many of us and confused us. Musicology. Where did that suddenly come from? And now 3121? I suppose 3121 has a very loose connection with Musicology. Maybe we will see more of a flow between his albums again now? Each one sounding different, but with a natural progression from the last as opposed to a complete in-your-face- u-turn in style and direction.

Ok, I waffle. I know. My point is beyond me….
I completely agree except the part about rainbow children...I believe it 2 be Prince's next big Bang in sound and focus ala Dirty Mind, 1999, Purple Rain, Parade, Lovesexy, Gold etc.

I agree that it came outta nowhere but dude thank God it did...would u have liked It if Prince decided 2 evolve that tired New Power Soul sound or most of what was on Rave?

I personally believe that out of all the eras and sounds his most uniquely his, and completely original, that bridged everything he had done b4 and was progressive 4 him musically was the entire Parade project, Ive given this a lot of thought lately,It is like past, present and future music all together, latin, carribean, rock,funk, pop, it has everything done well!!!

This though I say all this isnt actually my fav era that would be the LOVESEXY era but i think it was his most original and classical music.

And not just the album cuts but the stuff left off it b sides, with an orchestra conducted by Clare Fischer pure class anyways....


Gold is his defining statement of the 90's especially Gold around the Love 4 one another period...he looked great...the band looked exceptionally funky he didnt wear as much make up as he did around the beautiful experience time...it was just a landmark time musically 4 him listen 2 the days of wild he does in L4OA it is past P Funk funky!
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Reply #3 posted 03/31/06 4:23am

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This is a great topic, you are all making some very valid points.

However, I think there is indeed a special sound and vibe that comes with Emancipation...whether we´re happy with it or not is another story ( just imagine Emancipation as a real band effort with that supertight NPG, it would be killer). It managed to capture that whole feeling of the mid-nineties and where Prince was at during that particular time, even though it was not really a continuation of that Come/Gold/Exodus vibe...it´s funny, one can immediately hear the old NPG on Betcha By Golly Wow, even though it´s just a coverversion...but their energy shines through..


One important factor, IMO, is also the change in the musical landscape after 1995...this did not only affect Prince´s music but also other genres.
Contemporary music, no matter if "black", "white" or whatever, has never been the same since then....the competítion and musical environment was no longer the same.

What I don´t understand though is that there is still some great music out there , from melodic rock ( I , for instance, happen to like some of the Foo Fighters´ songs) to modern RnB ( Erykah Badu, D´Angelo, Maxwell)..yet, this influence cannot be heard that much in the post 95 music og Prince, except for the two obvious D´Angelo influenced songs U Make My Sun Shine and Mellow....then again, those guys borrowed heavily from Prince.


Anyway, interesting thread.
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Reply #4 posted 03/31/06 7:01am

YODAHENDRIX

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KoolEaze said:

( just imagine Emancipation as a real band effort with that supertight NPG, it would be killer).


Anyway, interesting thread.
Unfortunately KoolEaze we can only imagine.

2 reiterate ure point....basically the best tunes on this record feature Michael Bland, Sonny T, Tommy Barberella, Morris Hayes like Betcha it has a great sound now Prince's efforts would have been better if he had used on his solo efforts live instrumentation.


Some of those songs woulda been classics
Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter.
Is this 2morrow or just the END of time?
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Reply #5 posted 03/31/06 7:25am

vivid

Will have to diagree there - For me the evolution peaked in '87 and started to head downhill even with Lovesexy which I still think is a great album in its way. Batman and GB proved that the descent was not going to be a slow one, and as one reviewer put it; by Diamonds & Pearls in '91 'the daring was gone' TGE was one of his better albums in the decade that followed, but it doesn't work for me really, and he was trying too hard to compete with the current big things at the time. TRC was the first album since Lovesexy that had some ofthe old magic going on and I can't tell you how surprised and relieved I was when I heard it.
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Reply #6 posted 03/31/06 8:13am

Rebeljuice

vivid said:

Will have to diagree there - For me the evolution peaked in '87 and started to head downhill even with Lovesexy which I still think is a great album in its way. Batman and GB proved that the descent was not going to be a slow one, and as one reviewer put it; by Diamonds & Pearls in '91 'the daring was gone' TGE was one of his better albums in the decade that followed, but it doesn't work for me really, and he was trying too hard to compete with the current big things at the time. TRC was the first album since Lovesexy that had some ofthe old magic going on and I can't tell you how surprised and relieved I was when I heard it.



That may be the case. Its all a matter of taste. But at least you could hear the evolution of the music that ended up as TGE. Lovesexy into Batman which led nicely into GB, through D&P and into Symbol, Come, TGE (and C&D indeed)... there is a connection. I would call it growth, you may call it slacking off. Whatever it is, the route there can be seen and heard. TRC didnt have any road or journey leading up to it. It just happened (thank goodness some will say). Emancipation didnt have any preceding workout that gave clues to what it would be. Rave, NPS, TCI, Slaughterhouse, Musicology and indeed 3121 were just standalone projects trying to be all things to all men. It was like Prince was no longer in the zone after 94.

The music no longer carried him, he carried the music.

Its not a complaint or critisism, just an observation. Like I said before, those that expect Prince to stay in that creative zone forever and a day are not being fair on the guy. He has had a more sustained and productive peak than most, now we should just let the guy do what he does and enjoy it for what it is and not what we expect it to be.
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Reply #7 posted 03/31/06 8:22am

PurpleRein

great thread, well thought out opinions, all respectful...how'd that happen?
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Reply #8 posted 03/31/06 9:19am

YODAHENDRIX

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PurpleRein said:

great thread, well thought out opinions, all respectful...how'd that happen?


Thank God it happens here sometimes lol
Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter.
Is this 2morrow or just the END of time?
The Funk will always b with u
"I've got a face, not just my race, Bang
Bang I've got you babe!"
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Reply #9 posted 03/31/06 9:22am

Graycap23

Rebeljuice said:

The sound Prince had during the Gold era and Come was, in my opinion, one of his most unique and original periods where his sound was purely his own. Some people didn’t like this era and thought it was all beginning to sound the same, which they may have a point. I watched the Beautiful Experience on DVD last night and it reminded me of how brilliant the music was that was coming out of Paisley Park at the time.

I think the 94 period was the end of the evolutionary road in terms of Princes music. You can hear his sound evolve through all his albums (especially when you listen to some of the bootlegs surrounding each album) and then, after TGE it seemed to stop. After that we just got one off albums where there was no real direction in terms of where one ends and the next one comes along.

Emancipation through to now has been a very disjointed 10 years that hasn’t ebbed and flowed like 1980 through to 1994 did. It seems that each album during the 80’s and early 90’s evolved and built upon the album that preceded it. You can hear how Dirty Mind became Controversy and how that album became 1999. You can hear how purple Rain came from 1999 and how ATWIAD came from PR… and so on right up until TGE. Then it just goes crazy. Up and down. Each album not really having its own sound and not really stemming from anything, it just appears. TRC just showed up. We never really heard his music evolve towards it. It just happened, and thus shocked many of us and confused us. Musicology. Where did that suddenly come from? And now 3121? I suppose 3121 has a very loose connection with Musicology. Maybe we will see more of a flow between his albums again now? Each one sounding different, but with a natural progression from the last as opposed to a complete in-your-face- u-turn in style and direction.

Ok, I waffle. I know. My point is beyond me….



When a man get's married his mind gets F*cked up.....
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Reply #10 posted 03/31/06 9:45am

Payt

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A big contributing factor is the technology that came available. A lot of P's early sound was determined by analog synths, which were later on complemented by one of the first digital drumcomputers (linndrum).

Prince apparently later on fell in love with everything Roland. The roland D50 determined a big deal of the sound of albums like SOTT, lovesexy and batman. A little later the roland JV series saw the light of day, which then promptly started to become P's synth of choice.. it's all over the symbol album, kamasutra, gold experience, Emancipation. Kirky J used a lot of roland V-drums on several albums.

P has always been fond of technology, and this is reflected in the music he makes.
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Reply #11 posted 04/15/06 7:12am

YODAHENDRIX

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Graycap23 said:

Rebeljuice said:

The sound Prince had during the Gold era and Come was, in my opinion, one of his most unique and original periods where his sound was purely his own. Some people didn’t like this era and thought it was all beginning to sound the same, which they may have a point. I watched the Beautiful Experience on DVD last night and it reminded me of how brilliant the music was that was coming out of Paisley Park at the time.

I think the 94 period was the end of the evolutionary road in terms of Princes music. You can hear his sound evolve through all his albums (especially when you listen to some of the bootlegs surrounding each album) and then, after TGE it seemed to stop. After that we just got one off albums where there was no real direction in terms of where one ends and the next one comes along.

Emancipation through to now has been a very disjointed 10 years that hasn’t ebbed and flowed like 1980 through to 1994 did. It seems that each album during the 80’s and early 90’s evolved and built upon the album that preceded it. You can hear how Dirty Mind became Controversy and how that album became 1999. You can hear how purple Rain came from 1999 and how ATWIAD came from PR… and so on right up until TGE. Then it just goes crazy. Up and down. Each album not really having its own sound and not really stemming from anything, it just appears. TRC just showed up. We never really heard his music evolve towards it. It just happened, and thus shocked many of us and confused us. Musicology. Where did that suddenly come from? And now 3121? I suppose 3121 has a very loose connection with Musicology. Maybe we will see more of a flow between his albums again now? Each one sounding different, but with a natural progression from the last as opposed to a complete in-your-face- u-turn in style and direction.

Ok, I waffle. I know. My point is beyond me….



When a man get's married his mind gets F*cked up.....



No his biggest mistake was putting Mayte up on a pedestal.

I love the way she looked man but Prince like a lot of men chose to deify their woman thus inventing this aura of purity etc which is detrimental to all concerned, this muse, angel,earth mother of light creature, no one can live up 2 that billing just look at Mayte on that Tommy Lee Naked truth docu thats the real chick not the beautiful floaty thing dancing during 7 with those kids.
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Is this 2morrow or just the END of time?
The Funk will always b with u
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Bang I've got you babe!"
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Reply #12 posted 04/15/06 7:29am

Spookymuffin

I agree. 94/95 is my favourite era. In studio and live. It was unbelievably cool and incredibly funky.
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Reply #13 posted 04/15/06 8:08am

zennabell

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From For You right up to Graffiti Bridge Prince never really released a bad single.

The Hits 1 and 2 proves this. Nevermind the songs not on the Hits CD's.

The collected singles from 1991 unto now would no way stand up to the first 13 odd years.

Not that he's been bad just not as consistent.

If you think of some of the all times greats most only had five years at most.

Elvis
Little Richard
Jerry lee Lewis
The stones
the who
Britney!
e.t.c.
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Reply #14 posted 04/15/06 8:15am

SexyBeautifulO
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zennabell said:

From For You right up to Graffiti Bridge Prince never really released a bad single.

The Hits 1 and 2 proves this. Nevermind the songs not on the Hits CD's.

The collected singles from 1991 unto now would no way stand up to the first 13 odd years.

Not that he's been bad just not as consistent.

If you think of some of the all times greats most only had five years at most.

Elvis
Little Richard
Jerry lee Lewis
The stones
the who
Britney!
e.t.c.



Ok,you had me til you listed Britney as some of the all time greats. Please tell me your fingers slipped and you meant to type Whitney!


Otherwise...banned
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Reply #15 posted 04/16/06 11:05am

zennabell

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that was a joke

Whitney had about five years.
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Reply #16 posted 04/18/06 8:31am

padawan

YODAHENDRIX said:

Graycap23 said:




When a man get's married his mind gets F*cked up.....



No his biggest mistake was putting Mayte up on a pedestal.

I love the way she looked man but Prince like a lot of men chose to deify their woman thus inventing this aura of purity etc which is detrimental to all concerned, this muse, angel,earth mother of light creature, no one can live up 2 that billing just look at Mayte on that Tommy Lee Naked truth docu thats the real chick not the beautiful floaty thing dancing during 7 with those kids.
[Edited 4/15/06 7:18am]


Yeah. Lionizing women: Not a good idea. The thing people crave the most, more than anything in the world, is to be seen and acknowledged and accepted for who they are--not your fantasy image of them.

If it was Mayte that derailed Prince music, maybe that's what he needed. Emancipation was inspired by her, right? Well it sure as shit sounds like he was channeling a high school student.
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Reply #17 posted 04/18/06 8:43am

Eye

I agree that Prince has gone through a de-evolution after Emancipation (except TRC) and now what is left is just a pale image of his once blooming creativity..
I think that his religion has turned off that love-sexy part of his nature and now he sounds a bit like the rest..
One cannot help himself while listening to his new albums, about his long gone crativity, and the new stuff just reminds me of how good he used to be...
I'm even a bit sad because of it.
Too bad he cannot judge his new songs objectively, or maybe he lost his edge and now the only goal is to make money and satisfy his ego.
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Reply #18 posted 04/18/06 9:39am

whoknows

I agree with almost everything that's been said. It almost seems in a way like there was a certain loss of confidence after Emancipation didn't 'blow everyone away' as he told Bryant Gumbel he wanted it to(GE hadn't set the world alight either). As each successive bid to make himself matter again failed it seemed like he felt he had to rethink his approach whereas in the past he was dancing purely to the tune of his own muse and never even had the time to stop and think. If Prince would forget about competing with the young guns and just make music to surprise himself I think we and he would be much better off. This is why I'm glad he's back in touch with Wendy & Lisa. They're probably the only two people alive who can give him the kick up the ass he needs and get him back in touch with the artistic ethos that used to be second nature to him.
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Reply #19 posted 04/18/06 10:11am

Mercedes73

prince doesen't need a "kick in the ass" musically or otherwise.

he's someplace else now,it's called GROWTH.

ok.so he's not doing spellbinding, mind-blowing music anymore. am i gonna sit here and gripe an moan about how he's not "what he used to be"? NO life is too short to waste on something so trivial.i know i mentioned on another thread about the prince songs i dislike (yep i'm callin myself out here) but you want to know the truth? i wish i had a 1/3 of his musical genetics to make the music he has over the years.it's his path.LIVE AND LET LIVE.
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Reply #20 posted 04/18/06 11:23am

thebige

whoknows said:

It almost seems in a way like there was a certain loss of confidence after Emancipation didn't 'blow everyone away' as he told Bryant Gumbel he wanted it to(GE hadn't set the world alight either). As each successive bid to make himself matter again failed it seemed like he felt he had to rethink his approach whereas in the past he was dancing purely to the tune of his own muse and never even had the time to stop and think. If Prince would forget about competing with the young guns and just make music to surprise himself I think we and he would be much better off.


You're right on with the loss of confidence thing. I picked up on that right away at the first Emancipation show I saw in '97. It was the first time I'd ever seen him so un-confident. After getting off WB and not setting the world on fire with Emancipation he seemed to be unsure of his audience and unsure of himself. It was sad to see the way he was trying to sell himself at that '97 show. I was like, "I paid 50$ to stand in the back fool, I don't think you need to convince me of your coolness!" I think he regained some of his musical confidence during the TRC/Xpectation/NEWS period, but that kind of music doesn't translate to the pop market peeps. Now he's been going for the ego justification of having "hits" again rather than produce the music of his muse. I do wish he'd go back to following his own tune. Maybe next time, since he got his #1 record with 3121. Too bad Prince has such a need for public acceptance. When he just does his own thing regardless of what the public would think that's when things get interesting...

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Reply #21 posted 04/18/06 11:35am

whoknows

prince doesn't need a kick in the ass musically or otherwise


Maybe I didn't phrase it very politely. I'm not known for my delicacy. Prince has a special place reserved in heaven for all he's given us but don't you think even the best artists sometimes need to be challenged? I've just read Bob Dylan's Chronicles. In it he describes in detail recording his 1989 album Oh Mercy when he was roughly the same age P is now. He speaks about the anger, frustration, and conflict he and producer Daniel Lanois went through. At one point Lanois threw equipment across the room and punched his fist into the wall. A girl working there ran out of the room crying. I'm sure this was all very unpleasant but the result was the best Dylan album in 15 years. I remember an interview with P in 98 when he was asked "Who says no to you? Is there anyone around you who can say "The Artist, this is substandard.""( I should point out by the way that as he was asked this Prince was surrounded by Kirk J, Rhonda, Larry et al and they were sitting in front of a giant promotional poster of NPS. You couldn't make it up) Anyway, P said "I tend to focus on things that are complimentary. That's what's going to feed my soul". This is sensible but it's not where great art comes from. I think a bit of friction in the studio with W&L would do him the world of good though in all honesty I gave up expecting anything years ago. That doesn't mean I don't still love the guy. Hell, I've watched the Brit performance 10 times already and I love it, but as regards new albums I'm a realist. I would love to be wrong.
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Reply #22 posted 04/18/06 11:45am

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I agree to some extent. Obviously 1994 and before were the glory years.

But I hear a definite progression. Chaos & Disorder came from the rock side of Gold--Endorphinmachine, & Shhh. He was primarily a guitar player on on Gold's live shows, and the Undertaker & Chaos came from that. Also, I think he was intending a Dirty Mind type "demo as album," that didn't quite go over as well, considering people felt his motives were to screw Warner Bros. I don't feel the music was intended to be less than perfect.

He then mixed the slickness of the earlier NPG era with the one man show of the early 80's, but not to the best effect, for Emancipation. He was attempting to one-up 1999, I believe.

Emancipation flowed right into the Jam of the Year tour and into NPS and eventually Rave, for better or worse.

Rave took Emancipation's "new 1999" concept one step further, bringing the Linn back into the music (of course that record came out in 1999.

Then Prince summoned some of his 80's superpowers to surprise us again with TRC. he sounded like Prince again for the first time in years on "Prince's" first album since 1993.

Musicology saw him return to the Emancipation style of pop, but shorter & more concise in the vein of the 80's records.

3121 is the record Musicology was trying to be. It sounds like Prince, but uses the short, concise formula as well.

It doesn't always work, but I definitely hear the flow.
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Reply #23 posted 04/18/06 11:45am

thebige

whoknows said:

I remember an interview with P in 98 when he was asked "Who says no to you? Is there anyone around you who can say "The Artist, this is substandard". Anyway, P said "I tend to focus on things that are complimentary. That's what's going to feed my soul". This is sensible but it's not where great art comes from.




This reminds me of that Beautiful Strange interview from that same time period where he's talking about how he views his talent as coming from God, so to criticize his music is really like criticizing God lol . Meanwhile, God's going, "Come on P, get back to kicking out the jams..." wink


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Reply #24 posted 04/18/06 11:55am

padawan

whoknows said:

prince doesn't need a kick in the ass musically or otherwise


Maybe I didn't phrase it very politely. I'm not known for my delicacy. Prince has a special place reserved in heaven for all he's given us but don't you think even the best artists sometimes need to be challenged? I've just read Bob Dylan's Chronicles. In it he describes in detail recording his 1989 album Oh Mercy when he was roughly the same age P is now. He speaks about the anger, frustration, and conflict he and producer Daniel Lanois went through. At one point Lanois threw equipment across the room and punched his fist into the wall. A girl working there ran out of the room crying. I'm sure this was all very unpleasant but the result was the best Dylan album in 15 years. I remember an interview with P in 98 when he was asked "Who says no to you? Is there anyone around you who can say "The Artist, this is substandard.""( I should point out by the way that as he was asked this Prince was surrounded by Kirk J, Rhonda, Larry et al and they were sitting in front of a giant promotional poster of NPS. You couldn't make it up) Anyway, P said "I tend to focus on things that are complimentary. That's what's going to feed my soul". This is sensible but it's not where great art comes from. I think a bit of friction in the studio with W&L would do him the world of good though in all honesty I gave up expecting anything years ago. That doesn't mean I don't still love the guy. Hell, I've watched the Brit performance 10 times already and I love it, but as regards new albums I'm a realist. I would love to be wrong.



I agree 100% about the need to be challneged for creativity to blossom. It's like sex--you gotta have friction, there's gotta be some discomfort, some frustration. Thesis and antithesis, which through the labor pains of child rearing, yields synthesis.

To quote Bono: "There's always pain before the child is born."

And Tom Hanks from "A League of their Own": "It's the hard that makes it great."
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Reply #25 posted 04/18/06 12:32pm

Mercedes73

"you don't have to suffer continual chaos in order to grow"

-John C. Lilly
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Reply #26 posted 04/18/06 12:38pm

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The era that is so critisized- Prince's Mother passed away; Prince's Father passed away; he was exploring new Religious beliefs; he was caught up in lLegal wranglings over his music/career; his marriage he paraded in the media was a failure; he witnessed the birth and death of his deformed child.

That's a lot for anyone to deal with; The sum of all that earns a "Pass" for the sub-standard material. Maybe he should have just gone away for a few years, or released "vault" albums instead.

From TRC to 3121 he has sounded back on track to me.
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Reply #27 posted 04/18/06 12:50pm

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Mercedes73 said:

"you don't have to suffer continual chaos in order to grow"

-John C. Lilly


No one said anything about chaos. The quotes I gave mention "pain" and "hard" (difficulty) as a prerequisite and condition for enjoyment and creativity.
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Reply #28 posted 04/18/06 1:05pm

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whoknows said:

I remember an interview with P in 98 when he was asked "Who says no to you? Is there anyone around you who can say "The Artist, this is substandard". Anyway, P said "I tend to focus on things that are complimentary. That's what's going to feed my soul". This is sensible but it's not where great art comes from.




This reminds me of that Beautiful Strange interview from that same time period where he's talking about how he views his talent as coming from God, so to criticize his music is really like criticizing God lol . Meanwhile, God's going, "Come on P, get back to kicking out the jams..." wink


cool


Funny. God may be perfect, but conduits & vessels can be broken!
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Reply #29 posted 04/18/06 1:55pm

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Graycap23 said:

Rebeljuice said:

The sound Prince had during the Gold era and Come was, in my opinion, one of his most unique and original periods where his sound was purely his own. Some people didn’t like this era and thought it was all beginning to sound the same, which they may have a point. I watched the Beautiful Experience on DVD last night and it reminded me of how brilliant the music was that was coming out of Paisley Park at the time.

I think the 94 period was the end of the evolutionary road in terms of Princes music. You can hear his sound evolve through all his albums (especially when you listen to some of the bootlegs surrounding each album) and then, after TGE it seemed to stop. After that we just got one off albums where there was no real direction in terms of where one ends and the next one comes along.

Emancipation through to now has been a very disjointed 10 years that hasn’t ebbed and flowed like 1980 through to 1994 did. It seems that each album during the 80’s and early 90’s evolved and built upon the album that preceded it. You can hear how Dirty Mind became Controversy and how that album became 1999. You can hear how purple Rain came from 1999 and how ATWIAD came from PR… and so on right up until TGE. Then it just goes crazy. Up and down. Each album not really having its own sound and not really stemming from anything, it just appears. TRC just showed up. We never really heard his music evolve towards it. It just happened, and thus shocked many of us and confused us. Musicology. Where did that suddenly come from? And now 3121? I suppose 3121 has a very loose connection with Musicology. Maybe we will see more of a flow between his albums again now? Each one sounding different, but with a natural progression from the last as opposed to a complete in-your-face- u-turn in style and direction.

Ok, I waffle. I know. My point is beyond me….



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I can vouch for that! lol
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