Prince taps into the Org...

Thats why he is so confused about himself and his journey! Coz he is listening to psychos!

Shhh!

The dumbasses are out in force today I see!

The attitudes displayed here today "hey I'm not doing anything wrong, why should I worry?" is exactly why Americans allow ludicrous infringments of civil liberties to become law on a regular basis. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act is just one recent example.

It isn't paranoid to want to protect your civil liberties. It isn't paranoid to fight for your privacy rights. Going down this road is a slippery slope which you may not all understand fully. The next step would be to outlaw outright all private use of encryption technology (as they did in France many years back). You may as well just start learning Newspeak right now.

It's true ... you don't truly appreciate something until it is gone.

ian said:

Thank you, Ian... that is what I have been trying to tell people...

BTW: The Libertarian Party (of which I am a member as I mentioned before) is the only political party in America that opposes this sort of thing. It is even part of the party's platform. Here is an excerpt from the Libertarian Party's privacy platform:

"The individual's right to privacy, property, and right to speak or not to speak should not be infringed by the government. The government should not use electronic or other means of covert surveillance of an individual's actions or private property without the consent of the owner or occupant. ...

We oppose all restrictions and regulations on the private development, sale, and use of encryption technology. We specifically oppose any requirement for disclosure of encryption methods or keys, including the government's proposals for so-called "key escrow" which is truly government access to keys, and any requirement for use of government-specified devices or protocols. We also oppose government classification of civilian research on encryption methods."


For more information on what I consider the best political party in America, go to:

http://www.lp.org

IceNine said:

I think the USA is becoming a police state more each day.

And I think this should come as no suprise, this was to be expected. Already after september 11 the US "Patriot" () act allowed your government to intrude your privacy in unprecedented ways. Like the artcicle says this act just builds on this act.
But now they want to bring in 'snitches', working as 'volunteers' (), so-called to protect your 'national security' ()

Sounds more and more communist to me. Totalitarian ideas, policies and laws... and most of you Americans still buy into the crap that its for their own "security". The government has got a lot of you brainwashed into believing they are really trying to protect your ass.




this is just plain ridiculious paranoid thinking and talking. But when you see where this "sponsor" comes from and who he usually deals with it all becomes clear...



Endorsements from Microsoft and Worldcom...

Two of the biggest companies that really respect the civil rights of the people... ha! Microsoft has just "updated" mediaplayer, so you can all get screwed by their Digital rights mangament (DRM), tracking your every move.
no more copies for your personal use, no more filesharing, no more freedom of information.

And we all know Microsoft is a monopolist.

And we all know Worldcom is based on an airbag of fraud.

And we all know you are all fucked.



Ohhh so it's all about the "economy" uh? So what's really new? well... new is that you can now get life in prison for doing that.

Imho the executives from your fraud based companies are endangering your economy and they should be seen as the true criminals that also jepordize the stability in the economy of the world.



Indeed it's all about the economy.


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ian said:

no fighting for your privacy rights isn't paranoid. Once they are endangered by these laws you have every reason to ask, protest and criticise.

what is paranoid is the attitude of the US government. They act like a cat in danger... a cat in danger makes funny moves... causing things to quickly get out of hand.

The veils are dissolving.

There will be no more secrets.

We thought we were free but the 'company store' has bought and sold us a thousand times.

The military industrial complex created by the robber barons of the last century is now fully visible in the face of George W.

Look at his face. He is a mirror. He shows you what you are not.

You are Light,
You are Electricity,
Dance the dance electric,
Be glad that you are free.

kimmydee said:

You mean that I am not the president??? I am going to have to order new stationery.

ahem...


HIDINK FOR PRESIDENT

TheMax said:

hi max, I see that this thread has also attracted the usual band of naive, shit-believing fools who honestly trust the US government because it loves them so much and really cares for its people. sorry bro, you are one of them.
go and
- let them tap your phone because you are a good citizin who has nothing to hide
- let them tell you that burgers and philly cheese sandwiches are good food
- let them tell you that american football is the world's most popular sports
- let them tell you that execution is a solution for criminals
- let them tell you that 9/11 was an attack of world and not only aimed at america
- let them tell you that you must not drink under 21
- let them tell you that serving in the army and killing innocent people is just alright when you are under 21
- let them tell you that america is god's own country...
- let them tell you that god is american
- let them tell you that the US air force did a great job when they achieved the air sovereignty in afghanistan one week after the beginning of the attacks (props, it must have been a huge effort to
destroy the 3 (or was it 16?) outdated combat planes of the taliban airforce
- let them tell you that Bill Clinton is a decent sax player
- let them tell you "either get inside or get outta here" when you are hanging out in front of a nightclub
- let them tell you that you will have to put your beer in a brown paper bag before you drink it in public because somebody might be able to regognize it as a beer
- let them tell you that lethal injection is a human way to be killed
- let them tell you that US troops are engaged in acts of war only because they want to help the poor
- let them tell you that the life of an american is worth more than the life of an arab
- let them tell you that its okay that 500,000 kids have died in the iraq because of US sanctions and
bombings
- let them tell you that anybody who critizes the President and his politics is a communist or conspirator
- let them tell you that you should be glad to have a chocolate micro chip in your neck...

quote]

I think the USA is becoming a police state more each day.

And I think this should come as no suprise, this was to be expected. Already after september 11 the US "Patriot" () act allowed your government to intrude your privacy in unprecedented ways. Like the artcicle says this act just builds on this act.
But now they want to bring in 'snitches', working as 'volunteers' (), so-called to protect your 'national security' ()

Sounds more and more communist to me. Totalitarian ideas, policies and laws... and most of you Americans still buy into the crap that its for their own "security". The government has got a lot of you brainwashed into believing they are really trying to protect your ass.



Yeah, the new Homeland Security Plan will definitely need to be reviewed, and Bush is going to get all the changes he's asking for. Alot of things the government has gotten heat for, such as interviewing thousands of arabic men throughout the U.S. and throwing many non-citizens in jail has benefited. Though it wasn't widely reported, this did prevent another attack in Washington D.C.

For the most part, the government's too incompetent for a vast conspiracy theory, although undoubtedly there can be rogue elements.

Also, keep in mind, alot of changes are going into effect now since we're hitting Iraq with everything we've got, possibly in November (I have a feeling this won't be a month by month build-up to pre-warn Saddam. He's already got missles packed away, most assurdely with more chemical/biological crap, with Israel in range. I have a feeling we're going to pull a quickie on that bastard the likes he never dreamed of). As a result of the coming ousting of Saddam, we have to assume more terrorist attacks, so that's why more security measures are going in place...but again, let's review 'em.

Correction, the one sentence should read:


and Bush is NOT going to get all the changes he's asking for.


My apologies.

Interesting... but off topic. Sorry.