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Reply #30 posted 07/16/02 4:43pm

narcotizedmind

herbthe4 said

I disagree on the 3 issues that the USA was built on. I've always, perhaps naivley, asumed that it had to do with religous freedom, taxation without representation and the idea that citizens should own the Government


Tell that to the Indians, Blacks and Chinese! It's a well known fact, I think, that the German dream of 'Lebensraum' in Eastern Europe was inspired/encouraged by novels about the American West (written in German by someone whose name I've long since forgotten). The Germans were going to do in the 20th century what Americans did in the 19th, only with typical Teutonic thoroughness. Cool avatar BTW.
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Reply #31 posted 07/16/02 4:46pm

Vagina

Paranoia" WILL DESTROY You" The Kinks. Lola. L---O---L---A. Lola. La, la, la, la, LoooLa...!!
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Reply #32 posted 07/16/02 4:47pm

Vagina

Vagina said:

Paranoia" WILL DESTROY YA The Kinks. Lola. L---O---L---A. Lola. La, la, la, la, LoooLa...!!
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Reply #33 posted 07/16/02 6:15pm

2the9s

narcotizedmind said:

It's a well known fact, I think, that the German dream of 'Lebensraum' in Eastern Europe was inspired/encouraged by novels about the American West (written in German by someone whose name I've long since forgotten).


Zane Grey?
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Reply #34 posted 07/16/02 6:18pm

2the9s

2the9s said:

narcotizedmind said:

It's a well known fact, I think, that the German dream of 'Lebensraum' in Eastern Europe was inspired/encouraged by novels about the American West (written in German by someone whose name I've long since forgotten).


Zane Grey?


Karl May! I just remembered!
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Reply #35 posted 07/16/02 6:21pm

theC

we r losing rights left and right.nobody is noticing the slight of hand.they r making the best use of 911 2 get all
the control they can.the ONLY PEOPLE THAT'S SUFFERING SINCE
911 IS MIDDLE AMERICA.whether it's coporate scandals or
a loss of rights or layoffs.nobody is getting a rawer deal.
something has got 2 change and soon.
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Reply #36 posted 07/16/02 6:24pm

welcum2thedawn

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If all this stuff will prevent four more planes from being hijacked, or another USN Ship from being attacked, or ten tons of sodium cyanide from being dumped into a drinking water supply, some idoit blowing up a dirty bomb in the middle of NYC, or some zealot with smallpox from entering the country, then I'm all for it...

Personally, I don't want to know what steps the gov't is taking to protect my freedoms...let them tap my phone, my computer, or my ass, for that matter...I have nothing to hide. I wonder what all the whiners have to hide...

And while I'm at it...I'll glady take off my shoes, my pants, or my jock at any random airport check anytime...If I fit the profile of a terrorist, then let me be profiled...
Peace Out, Trout!!
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Reply #37 posted 07/16/02 6:28pm

welcum2thedawn

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theC said:

we r losing rights left and right.nobody is noticing the slight of hand.they r making the best use of 911 2 get all
the control they can.the ONLY PEOPLE THAT'S SUFFERING SINCE
911 IS MIDDLE AMERICA.whether it's coporate scandals or
a loss of rights or layoffs.nobody is getting a rawer deal.
something has got 2 change and soon.


unbelievable, what rights have you lost?

the right to be not blown up?

the economy is booming, growing...now i'm not talking the markets here, but the econmoy in general...

the majority of those who lost were those who were market amateurs, who have never seen a market down-turn...

this is the beauty of the USA, you have freedom...freedom to be vigilant and control you own destiny or freedom to be complacent and be a victim...
Peace Out, Trout!!
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Reply #38 posted 07/16/02 6:50pm

AUMIAM

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HEY I GOT A SOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY...


AHEM

READY can U handle this...HERE IT COMES...

GOD has the biggest tap of all on your phones and everything else WHY? just cuz and U know what...DONT FEAR

cuz when it gets right 2 it...LOVE conquers EVERY DARN FEAR there is...
DONT WORRY ABOUT what man does...CUZ GOD AINT WORRYING ...


THANK U

lets listen to the conversation of the electricity in YO HEART...
PS...
IF I dial 777 what will that give me 2311? hey wait what area code tho...heck I dont know... I GUESS I will just keep on listening to myself and how I treat others then I NEVER have to worry about MY PHONE LINES being tapped...GODBLISS...

SINGMIA~ARJUNA rose
Eheieh Asher Eheieh

GOD FIRST ALL on this planet of LOVE IS EQUAL
Know this B still and KNOW that GOD and U ARE ONE!!! no matter who u are what or where U live U are loved completely...NO DEBATE...NO ARGUMENT...GODBLISS YA
and GODKISS YA, GODLOVE
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Reply #39 posted 07/16/02 6:52pm

AUMIAM

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REMEMBER THE TWO SONGS CALLED...

THERE WILL B PEACE IN THE VALLEY...

LET THERE B PEACE ON EARTH AND LET IT BEGIN WITH ME...

Go ahead the songs are there for U to listen 2...
find em listen and get a PEACE plant in your garden...now watch it grow...

GODNITE...

SINGMIA~ARJUNA
Eheieh Asher Eheieh

GOD FIRST ALL on this planet of LOVE IS EQUAL
Know this B still and KNOW that GOD and U ARE ONE!!! no matter who u are what or where U live U are loved completely...NO DEBATE...NO ARGUMENT...GODBLISS YA
and GODKISS YA, GODLOVE
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Reply #40 posted 07/16/02 6:58pm

2the9s

I heard that they tapped Asiam's phone at DreamFirstBornJew and the agency shut down for a day.
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Reply #41 posted 07/16/02 7:00pm

Nep2nes

neutral So? I don't have anything 2 hide.

Go ahead and tap my phone...u'll just hear me talking 2 a friend or pretending 2 have a conversation with my father or having phone sex...

Now would u really want 2 tap my phone after knowing THAT? lol
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Reply #42 posted 07/16/02 7:06pm

Tom

bonojr said:

IceNine said:

So... what do you think of this???



House OKs life sentences for hackers

By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
July 15, 2002, 6:00 PM PT


WASHINGTON--The House of Representatives on Monday overwhelmingly approved a bill that would allow for life prison sentences for malicious computer hackers.
By a 385-3 vote, the House approved a computer crime bill that also expands police ability to conduct Internet or telephone eavesdropping without first obtaining a court order.

The Bush administration had asked Congress to approve the Cyber Security Enhancement Act (CSEA) as a way of responding to electronic intrusions, denial of service attacks and the threat of "cyber-terrorism." The CSEA had been written before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks last year, but the events spurred legislators toward Monday evening's near-unanimous vote.

CSEA, the most wide-ranging computer crime bill to make its way through Congress in years, now heads to the Senate. It's not expected to encounter any serious opposition, although there's not much time for senators to consider the measure because they take August off and are expected to head home for the year around Oct. 1.

"Until we secure our cyber infrastructure, a few keystrokes and an Internet connection is all one needs to disable the economy and endanger lives," sponsor Lamar Smith, R-Tex., said earlier this year. "A mouse can be just as dangerous as a bullet or a bomb."

Smith heads a subcommittee on crime, which held hearings that drew endorsements of CSEA from a top Justice Department official and executives from Microsoft and WorldCom. Citing privacy concerns, civil liberties groups have objected to portions of CSEA.

At the urging of the Justice Department, Smith's subcommittee voted in February to rewrite CSEA. It now promises life terms for computer intrusions that "recklessly" put others' lives at risk.

A committee report accompanying the legislation predicts: "A terrorist or criminal cyber attack could further harm our economy and critical infrastructure. It is imperative that the penalties and law enforcement capabilities are adequate to prevent and deter such attacks."

By rewriting wiretap laws, CSEA would allow limited surveillance without a court order when there is an "ongoing attack" on an Internet-connected computer or "an immediate threat to a national security interest." That kind of surveillance would, however, be limited to obtaining a suspect's telephone number, IP address, URLs or e-mail header information--not the contents of online communications or telephone calls.

Under federal law, such taps can take place when there's a threat of "serious bodily injury to any person" or activity involving organized crime.

Another section of CSEA would permit Internet providers to disclose the contents of e-mail messages and other electronic records to police in cases involving serious crimes.

Currently it's illegal for an Internet provider to "knowingly divulge" what users do except in some specific circumstances, such as when it's troubleshooting glitches, receiving a court order or tipping off police that a crime is in progress. CSEA expands that list to include when "an emergency involving danger of death or serious physical injury to any person requires disclosure of the information without delay."

Clint Smith, the president of the U.S. Internet Service Providers Association, endorsed the concept earlier this year.

Smith testified that CSEA builds on the controversial USA Patriot act, which Congress enacted last fall. He said that this portion of CSEA "will reduce impediments to ISP cooperation with law enforcement."

The Free Congress Foundation, which opposes CSEA, criticized Monday evening's vote.

"Congress should stop chipping away at our civil liberties," said Brad Jansen, an analyst at the conservative group. "A good place to start would be to substantially revise (CSEA) to increase, not diminish, oversight and accountability by the government."

If the Senate also approves CSEA, the new law would also:

• Require the U.S. Sentencing Commission to revise sentencing guidelines for computer crimes. The commission would consider whether the offense involved a government computer, the "level of sophistication" shown and whether the person acted maliciously.

• Formalize the existence of the National Infrastructure Protection Center. The center, which investigates and responds to both physical and virtual threats and attacks on America's critical infrastructure, was created in 1998 by the Department of Justice, but has not been authorized by an act of Congress. The original version of CSEA set aside $57.5 million for the NIPC; the final version increases the NIPC's funding to $125 million for the 2003 fiscal year.

• Specify that an existing ban on the "advertisement" of any device that is used primarily for surreptitious electronic surveillance applies to online ads. The prohibition now covers only a "newspaper, magazine, handbill or other publication."

Most industry associations, including the Business Software Alliance, the Association for Competitive Technology, the Information Technology Association of America, and the Information Technology Industry Council, have endorsed most portions of CSEA.



Basically the U.S. government already has been.

Really, the National Security Agency (NSA), the super secret electronic and signal intelligence agency (which is larger than the CIA and FBI combined) has geomesic domes or radar dishes around the world and are picking up trillions of bits of info (phones [except satellite phones I believe], faxes, etc.) being sent out constantly. Emails I believe are picked up but it's alot harder.

They have a huge dish outside the NSA the size of a football field that picks up transmissions as well. The loads of info are stored underground in computers (Echeleon), the fastest and which hold the most memory in the world... Only problem is there's so much sheer information being downloaded constantly, the analyists can't keep up.

Over ten years ago, I read if one were to mention certain keywords on the phone, (like at present, Al Queda, kill the president, etc.), the recording would be flagged. Again, these are signals being picked up around the world, a massive operation that is truly mindboggling. They have the most advanced toys in the world. Likewise, the U.S. government is developing tiny microscopic computers. They have research and development groups doing tests on living DNA to actually GROW computers. Think future cyborgs. All this info can be found in BODY OF SECRETS by James Bamford. It basically gives a history lesson, the real info to give you an idea of where the NSA is headed can be found in the last chapter.

Which begs the question...

Will you be flagged for checking out the book at your local library?

That's been a standard FBI m.o. in the past for certain books.

But really, all this information being collected, is the average citizen's life under a watchful eye? Unless you're breaking the law, who's going to take the time and energy and search through this information to look up Joe Blow in Liberty, MO? The fear is really some power control freak getting their hands on this stuff and manipulating the system for their own ends, which is scary...



Look up the "Wayback Machine" on yahoo. You can find a ton of stored and archived information. Even old copies of Prince's web sites are stored there.

I too also heard about certain keywords signaling tapping. We had all kinds of code-words for our drugs (which I would like to remind everyone I DO NOT do anymore! lol) including "Barry White CDs", "Coconut Cream Pie", "Teenager" (for a 'teener' or half an 8ball), "Al Green CD's" (one guess, lol), "Kermit The Frog", etc etc etc. Most people these days wont flat out say, "hey dude i need a quarter a coke and an 8th of weed. thanks see you soon!" on the phone because of that, lol.

There is also the governments "Carnivore" system which really isnt all that effective anyhow.
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Reply #43 posted 07/16/02 7:08pm

IceNine

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Nep2nes said:

neutral So? I don't have anything 2 hide.

Go ahead and tap my phone...u'll just hear me talking 2 a friend or pretending 2 have a conversation with my father or having phone sex...

Now would u really want 2 tap my phone after knowing THAT? lol



The issue is not if you have anything to hide or not... it is the fact that the government can LEGALLY invade your privacy at their discretion and that there is a HUGE potential for abuse of power.
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Reply #44 posted 07/16/02 7:17pm

theC

welcum2thedawn said:


unbelievable, what rights have you lost?

the right to be not blown up?

the economy is booming, growing...now i'm not talking the markets here, but the econmoy in general...

the majority of those who lost were those who were market amateurs, who have never seen a market down-turn...

this is the beauty of the USA, you have freedom...freedom to be vigilant and control you own destiny or freedom to be complacent and be a victim...


theC
it will come down 2 profiling(as a white male u may not have 2 worry unless oklahoma gets bombed again)but anybody(of color) they feel like pulling off the street they can(and question without a lawyer and hold as long as they want) and MAYBE find a reason later.i have nothing 2 hide but who's gonna make sure this is on the up and up.the president who has a VERY questionable past will make these decisions???As far as the income part.u may b doing fine(most people can't relate 2 others)but most elderly have lost fortunes in a market that is very corrupt with no penalty 4 those who break rules(if i rip some1 off can i plea the 5th and b left alone?).at least 400,000 have been
laid off since 911 and many more jobs will b lost soon.though the people at the top seem 2 b doing better.
i have a great job that sends me all around cali and lets me c all types of lifestyles(so i can c beyond myself).there a alot of people who have worked hard all their life who have no job(laid off)and no savings(stocks).and worldcom and enron ain't the end of it.this is only going 2 get worse.
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Reply #45 posted 07/16/02 7:21pm

theC

IceNine said:

Nep2nes said:

neutral So? I don't have anything 2 hide.

Go ahead and tap my phone...u'll just hear me talking 2 a friend or pretending 2 have a conversation with my father or having phone sex...

Now would u really want 2 tap my phone after knowing THAT? lol



The issue is not if you have anything to hide or not... it is the fact that the government can LEGALLY invade your privacy at their discretion and that there is a HUGE potential for abuse of power.


theC
i couldn't agree more.somebody C's things the way i do.
can always count on u ICENINE
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Reply #46 posted 07/16/02 7:31pm

TheMax

By rewriting wiretap laws, CSEA would allow limited surveillance without a court order when there is an "ongoing attack" on an Internet-connected computer or "an immediate threat to a national security interest." That kind of surveillance would, however, be limited to obtaining a suspect's telephone number, IP address, URLs or e-mail header information--not the contents of online communications or telephone calls.

Somehow, this really doesn't worry me at all. I see that this thread has attracted the usual band of paranoid, conspiracy theorists that we've come to know and love here at the good 'ole org.

Please, cling if you must to your grandiose paranoid fantasies about g-men knocking on your door because you download internet porn or logon to those libertarian websites. Sorry to burst your collective bubbles, but you're kinda small-fry. The CIA and FBI are a bit too busy for you at the moment. But if you try to hack the Dept of Defense computer, and I want my government to fry your ass.

To quote a very wise man: "Settle down, Beavis."

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Reply #47 posted 07/16/02 7:31pm

bonojr

IceNine said:

Nep2nes said:

neutral So? I don't have anything 2 hide.

Go ahead and tap my phone...u'll just hear me talking 2 a friend or pretending 2 have a conversation with my father or having phone sex...

Now would u really want 2 tap my phone after knowing THAT? lol



The issue is not if you have anything to hide or not... it is the fact that the government can LEGALLY invade your privacy at their discretion and that there is a HUGE potential for abuse of power.




That's the truth. Do we sacrifice more freedoms for our own security? Ultimately, I'd have to say no.
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Reply #48 posted 07/16/02 7:39pm

IceNine

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TheMax said:

By rewriting wiretap laws, CSEA would allow limited surveillance without a court order when there is an "ongoing attack" on an Internet-connected computer or "an immediate threat to a national security interest." That kind of surveillance would, however, be limited to obtaining a suspect's telephone number, IP address, URLs or e-mail header information--not the contents of online communications or telephone calls.

Somehow, this really doesn't worry me at all. I see that this thread has attracted the usual band of paranoid, conspiracy theorists that we've come to know and love here at the good 'ole org.

Please, cling if you must to your grandiose paranoid fantasies about g-men knocking on your door because you download internet porn or logon to those libertarian websites. Sorry to burst your collective bubbles, but you're kinda small-fry. The CIA and FBI are a bit too busy for you at the moment. But if you try to hack the Dept of Defense computer, and I want my government to fry your ass.

To quote a very wise man: "Settle down, Beavis."

___




While I would like to think that the government is a nice, upstanding and honest entity, I can clearly see the potential for abuse of this power... maybe I am cynical, but I DO remember my history lessons and there have been MANY examples of the government abusing their power.

There is no reason to believe that the government will not continue a long-standing tradition of invasion of privacy.
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Reply #49 posted 07/16/02 7:55pm

TheMax

IceNine said:


While I would like to think that the government is a nice, upstanding and honest entity...


Being nice, upstanding and honest may not work when there are bad people out there. This isn't church. This is about national defense. We are not a nation at peace. Please review the events of September 11 and get back to me.

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Reply #50 posted 07/16/02 7:57pm

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TheMax said:

IceNine said:


While I would like to think that the government is a nice, upstanding and honest entity...


Being nice, upstanding and honest may not work when there are bad people out there. This isn't church. This is about national defense. We are not a nation at peace. Please review the events of September 11 and get back to me.

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If the government wants to enact war powers or martial law, let them do it, but I am not for them passing legislation that allows the government to spy on citizens without process.

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Reply #51 posted 07/16/02 8:06pm

TheMax

IceNine said:


If the government wants to enact war powers let them do it, but I am not for them passing legislation that allows the government to spy on citizens without process.


Please refer to my prior post. Seems so odd to me that you are worried about this. If you don't try to attack this country by hacking, then you'll probably be spared the invasion of privacy. Do you honestly believe we have the time or interest to monitor your personal, law-abiding life?

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Reply #52 posted 07/16/02 8:10pm

theC

TheMax said:


Please refer to my prior post. Seems so odd to me that you are worried about this. If you don't try to attack this country by hacking, then you'll probably be spared the invasion of privacy. Do you honestly believe we have the time or interest to monitor your personal, law-abiding life?

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theC
2 things.first u say i'll PROBABLY be spared the invasion of privacy.there should b no PROBABLY 2 it.they have no right 2 invade my privacy without due process.i am a U.S citizen u know.second what do u mean WE have the time or interest 2 monitor yr personal life.u work 4 the feds or something???
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Reply #53 posted 07/16/02 8:12pm

IceNine

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TheMax said:

IceNine said:


If the government wants to enact war powers let them do it, but I am not for them passing legislation that allows the government to spy on citizens without process.


Please refer to my prior post. Seems so odd to me that you are worried about this. If you don't try to attack this country by hacking, then you'll probably be spared the invasion of privacy. Do you honestly believe we have the time or interest to monitor your personal, law-abiding life?

___



Nobody can really say what will be done with the new powers... McCarthy and Cohn were a nice team and did some damage in the name of eliminating the communist threat.

Hoover did his share of spying for various reasons... he had files on everyone... Nixon had a nice list of people to kill... etc., etc., etc.

I do not agree with the idea of our government passing legislation that can be used to persecute innocent citizens. We have seen this type of thing in our history and I am certain that our government will continue as usual.

Does this mean that the government will persecute everyone? No... but it is quite easy to envision the many scenarios that could take place as a result of this legislation.
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Reply #54 posted 07/16/02 8:33pm

TheMax

This is my last post on this pointless thread. With each post, ya'll sound more and more paranoid - I don't want to push you over the edge!

Look, if you are falsely accused of a crime, or if by chance you are subjected to an unlawful search or seizure, then you'll be entitled to a vigorous defense in court.

Your right to privacy is included in the 4th and 14th Amendments (and surely elsewhere), and it covers "unreasonable" searches and seizures, as well as the right to due process. If a crime is in progress, and you are suspected of involvment, then your activities may be monitored, and you may be charged with a crime. That's the system. That hardly feels "unreasonable" to me.

If this law is ever shown to infringe on our constitutional rights, and someone is harmed, then it should and will be reviewed by higher courts, ultimately the US Supreme Court. While there have been errors along the way, I'd say that the US Constitution is well protected in 2002.

Try to worry less. Live an honest life. Pay your taxes. Love Prince. Honor those who have died to preserve the freedom that we do, in fact, enjoy. Things ought to turn out okay.

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Reply #55 posted 07/16/02 8:43pm

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TheMax said:

This is my last post on this pointless thread. With each post, ya'll sound more and more paranoid - I don't want to push you over the edge!

Look, if you are falsely accused of a crime, or if by chance you are subjected to an unlawful search or seizure, then you'll be entitled to a vigorous defense in court.

Your right to privacy is included in the 4th and 14th Amendments (and surely elsewhere), and it covers "unreasonable" searches and seizures, as well as the right to due process. If a crime is in progress, and you are suspected of involvment, then your activities may be monitored, and you may be charged with a crime. That's the system. That hardly feels "unreasonable" to me.

If this law is ever shown to infringe on our constitutional rights, and someone is harmed, then it should and will be reviewed by higher courts, ultimately the US Supreme Court. While there have been errors along the way, I'd say that the US Constitution is well protected in 2002.

Try to worry less. Live an honest life. Pay your taxes. Love Prince. Honor those who have died to preserve the freedom that we do, in fact, enjoy. Things ought to turn out okay.

___




We will have to agree to disagree... no hard feelings, we just don't see it the same way... and I am absolutely not paranoid... there have been many examples of abuse in our history that have been very well documented. It would be paranoia if there were NEVER any documented cases of abuse and we were all just afraid that it might happen...

By the way, do you believe that there are no innocent people in prison at the moment?
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Reply #56 posted 07/16/02 8:48pm

bonojr

[/quote]

Yes. And if you STEAL millions (billions) of dollars from your investors and rape your employees retirement funds, lay them all off and break the very rules that YOU (not YOU personally, IAN) helped write, you can parachute to safety in a golden mansion in Florida, illiciting nothing more from law enforcement than "stricter guidelines" and a general "crackdown". How can these people (the TRUE criminals) be punished when they buy and sell the people elected to enforce the laws?

VOTE THIRD PARTY! NOW! YOU ARE NOT WASTING YOUR VOTE! There is no such thing! And how in the hell that idea ever got sold to us is a testament of the power of the status quo!

I'm surprised somebody hasn't switched off their TV long enough to go burn that fucking mansion in Florida down by now.

Oops. I'm on the list!

Prince is the best.

GD lives![/quote]


Interesting sidenote.

Yeah, with corporate crime, they wear the nice shirts and ties, so the image is clean. On one hand we have life on the "mean streets" where robbers hit a bank, and the cops deal with the same criminals, the same "rabble" of society who are in and out of prisons, for various minor offenses. Okay, sure that's an epidemic.

But then you've got white-collar crime and they're getting away with murder and stealing more money than any bank robber!! Tell me, who's going to be picked-up for a no alcohol ordinance on the street: An immaculate couple sipping champagne, or the bum sipping from a paper bag?

Not to mention buying people off as mentioned; with money comes power and influence...

Do you realize Enron hired former CIA and FBI agents as their security? Doesn't that sound scary? They could dig up so much on someone they could possibly destroy one's character without raising a fist. When a top executive lady left Enron and spoke before a subcomittee on the matter, she told them she feared for her life.

True, enacting more laws, more regulations aren't going to help curb the corporate culture; you can't regulate human character, an individual's morals, i.e. greed, etc. They need to simply stiffen the penalities (as they're planning) and throw them in jail. Count on that happening with WorldCom for sure, although how many execs is a good question.

Burn down the mansion? Now I'm not promoting violence, but these people need to be dealt with. Seriously. The masses of unemployed victims need to come together and make their former bosses lives a living hell. With thousands laid off, it could be done too. Blaring music, picketing in front of their many homes, stealing their trash and finding personal information, phone calls...oh boy, my imagination is getting the best of me. Best leave topic.
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Reply #57 posted 07/16/02 8:52pm

SkletonKee

This thread is way WAY off-topic...



Locked!!!


(wait, it hasnt been locked yet other off-topic stuff has...are ben and matt concerned that by locking this thread they will be subject to rectal exploration by hidden fbi cams? am i suspect for typing this very message? whos at my door? whos staring in my window)..


* i always feel like...somebodys watching meee...or is it just a fantasy...ohh woowwwooo...
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Reply #58 posted 07/16/02 10:18pm

LeGrind

SquirrelMeat said:

I think its good. If you ain't breaking the law, you got nothing to worry about.

If you don't like the law, get into politics, make a stand or fuck off out of the country and go live elsewhere.

They may not have broadband connections in Indonesia, but you can watch you kiddie porn and make bombs to your hearts content.
Spoken like a true neo-nazi.
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Reply #59 posted 07/17/02 12:20am

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A huge problem in our world is you could care less what happens to me UNTIL it happens to you...at which time you SUDDENLY see the need to re-evaluate existing stature because it now effects YOU. I want to see how the majority will act when a member of the majority class is caught on video being TERRORIZED by a group of minority cops.
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